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I think this book was about bipolar disorder, IIRC.
"Unquiet Mind" is about Biploar Mania and "Confessions Of A Sociopath"is about a woman with a lack of conscience
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I think this book was about bipolar disorder, IIRC.
I'm in an athletic family too, with wrestlers and other martial artists. While I don't see them as Jekyll and Hyde, I do see the fierce, stoic, no-flinching game face in competition. My relatives look terrifying on the mat. But between matches, they shake that off, stretch, etc. That's what I saw in the interrogation room with GG. (But I'm going to quit talking about it because I'm starting to repeat myself too much!).
Another thing about my particular athletic relatives, which include just about every male in my family, is that EVERYTHING is a competition. Everything. Absolutely everything. Drives me crazy. My family happens to be full of nice people who compete - friendly competition - but maybe GG sees life and friendships as not-friendly competitions.
Just thinking aloud...no real point except that I don't think we should dismiss his training as a competitor. I think it plays a role in this thinking and behavior.
I was just outside and some kids went by on bikes, a boy about 15ish, a girl 10ish and a little boy about 5ish. They were riding and laughing without a care in the world. They are unaffected by the fears that adults have to / choose to worry about . Why not? Our neighborhood is safe, quiet, very rural. They probably do not know there is one RSO at the end of the street and another RSO next door to me, about 300 yards away. They're just enjoying life and being kids. And I'm glad they can be. Of course, my mind is distracted and all I can think is they are roaming footloose and fancy free and what is really so wrong with that?
ON topic. When my now almost adult daughter was 4 she begged for a kitty and after some searching we found the winner. We brought him home and set him up in the house for housecat life . When he got older he wanted to go outside so bad . I would not let him. My daughter , in all of her wisdom at about 5 yrs of age, wanted him to go out. I reminded her of all the dangers, cars on the road, neighborhood dogs and the coyotes. We have coyotes nightly roaming around looking for a meal. I said he won't live if he goes out there. There are too many dangers. She said to me that if he did not live, at least he would have been free to life the cat's life he was born to live and that cats were not made to live inside and he clearly needed and longed to go out into the cat world. I tried really hard to talk her out of this thinking at her age she could not understand how badly his death would break her heart. She said she understood and it was a chance she would have to take because he needed to be happy more than she needed to be happy . So out he went and had a blast and roamed free and wild. He caught baby rabbits and birds and some times he 'd stay gone all night. We would wake up in the morning hoping he was at the door and he was. He always came back. That kitty is now pushing 13. He comes and goes as he pleases and comes in at least every day to nap and eat and visit us. On cold nights he stays in all night. Of course he could have been killed the first week ! If it had been up to me and all my fear and anxiety and paranoia of what might happen to a lone cat on the prowl, he would never have gone outside. If it was up to me he would have missed one heck of a fun life. The wisdom and naivety of my little 5 yr old gave him the life he was meant to live .
This case just went to the darkest of dark places for me.
My hope is that LE digs very deep and not only looks at surface evidence here.
Has anyone ever experienced communication deep within their spirit?
I'm so sorry for the victim and the accused if my 'light bulb' moment reflects truth.
In my faith, God has limits to what He forgives. The devil doesn't care.
My gut/spirit or something is weeping.
I was just outside and some kids went by on bikes, a boy about 15ish, a girl 10ish and a little boy about 5ish. They were riding and laughing without a care in the world. They are unaffected by the fears that adults have to / choose to worry about . Why not? Our neighborhood is safe, quiet, very rural. They probably do not know there is one RSO at the end of the street and another RSO next door to me, about 300 yards away. They're just enjoying life and being kids. And I'm glad they can be. Of course, my mind is distracted and all I can think is they are roaming footloose and fancy free and what is really so wrong with that?
ON topic. When my now almost adult daughter was 4 she begged for a kitty and after some searching we found the winner. We brought him home and set him up in the house for housecat life . When he got older he wanted to go outside so bad . I would not let him. My daughter , in all of her wisdom at about 5 yrs of age, wanted him to go out. I reminded her of all the dangers, cars on the road, neighborhood dogs and the coyotes. We have coyotes nightly roaming around looking for a meal. I said he won't live if he goes out there. There are too many dangers. She said to me that if he did not live, at least he would have been free to life the cat's life he was born to live and that cats were not made to live inside and he clearly needed and longed to go out into the cat world. I tried really hard to talk her out of this thinking at her age she could not understand how badly his death would break her heart. She said she understood and it was a chance she would have to take because he needed to be happy more than she needed to be happy . So out he went and had a blast and roamed free and wild. He caught baby rabbits and birds and some times he 'd stay gone all night. We would wake up in the morning hoping he was at the door and he was. He always came back. That kitty is now pushing 13. He comes and goes as he pleases and comes in at least every day to nap and eat and visit us. On cold nights he stays in all night. Of course he could have been killed the first week ! If it had been up to me and all my fear and anxiety and paranoia of what might happen to a lone cat on the prowl, he would never have gone outside. If it was up to me he would have missed one heck of a fun life. The wisdom and naivety of my little 5 yr old gave him the life he was meant to live .
I can only speak to the minimal work I have done with sex offenders. As I stated last night I stayed in that sector of my Agency for a year and transferred out. We were a hand picked team who worked with a Doc from N.Y. who opened a clinic a few hours away from my city in Canada. Then as the Institutions closed that's why we got the sex offenders who were mentally challenged. And I mean minimally challenged. It was Jail or us. In my Country (Canada) if a diagnosis of low IQ per say they come to us. Believe me we get/got the gamut. We used a lot of Depo then which caused even more angst. Unfortunately Mario's Clinic was closed down due to funding. And I do think the Government thought his methods unorthodox. He would strip their personality down to nothing and rebuild it. I wont go into how he did it. I believe it had some impact. But man I listened to more sick fantasies than I care to share. The defining moment for me was meeting up with my Clients in the mall. I was with my 4 yr. old Son. (They were accompanied by staff and are in the system with 24 hr. supports until they die) My next Counselling session consisted of listening to how cute my Son was and what he wanted to do with him. I wanted to crawl across the desk and strangle him. I ended the session right there and promptly put in my transfer. I currently work with "Behaviors" it is a challenge and have been doing it a long time. One of my Clients is a Sociopath with violent tendencies. He keeps us on our toes for sure. His manipulations are ingenious. So in essence perhaps some of my opines are based on what I do. Yet I would never claim to be an expert. We all base our opines on life experience.
"It was hard learning [the suspect] was a friend of the family," James Wright said outside the family's home in a mobile home park in rural Kitsap County. "We were friends. We fed him. He split wood with me at my house. I was trying to teach him to be responsible to his community — even when we leave home, we are responsible as men."
I just find it odd because GG has several strong male role models in his immediate family. From everything I have read, his family is very involved in his care. They go to all of his sporting events and they are involved in his school activities. A very close and involved family.
So I don't understand why anyone thought he needed to be taught how to be a responsible male in the community. Maybe there was something lacking that JW took note of?
(respectfully snipped for space)
BBM
How do you know?
I don't know the family personally, I'm just going by comments in other places that have since been removed.
"I wouldn't dare break the rule and I agree it is not relevant. But I do want to say that I completely disagree that it is routine to remove all children from a home when a kid living there goes missing. There 100% must be probable cause and a missing kid is not sufficient.
In WA, CPS needs a pick up order from the court before removal. CPS must draft and sign and file with the court a dependency petition and sworn statement supporting the pick up order. The petition must shows reasonable grounds to believe the child’s health, safety, or welfare will be seriously endangered if not taken into custody.
LE can remove children without a court order though, but only if
There is probable cause to believe that the child is abused or neglected
AND
The child would be injured
OR
The child could not be taken into custody if it were necessary to first obtain a court order.
In a case where a kid went missing, if other kids in the home were removed merely because their sibling or whoever was missing, to "sort things out", (which is just not probable cause in my experience and would not occur), then the arrest of a perp would be enough for the return of the kids at the next dependency court hearing.
I know none of this is relevant to this case at this time but I wanted to clear up the law because it can make a difference for future cases. Removal of children in such cases is generally relevant to the disappearance - typically to what LE knows or is thinking about who is responsible - but, as we have seen, not always. "
Thank you for clearing the CPS issues up, Gitana. I think it's important to keep accurate information out there.
JMO, IMO
P.S. - Imamaze - thank you for fixing the quote. I put the rest of it in italics so that I could separate Gitana's post from mine.
I'm in an athletic family too, with wrestlers and other martial artists. While I don't see them as Jekyll and Hyde, I do see the fierce, stoic, no-flinching game face in competition. My relatives look terrifying on the mat. But between matches, they shake that off, stretch, etc. That's what I saw in the interrogation room with GG. (But I'm going to quit talking about it because I'm starting to repeat myself too much!).
Another thing about my particular athletic relatives, which include just about every male in my family, is that EVERYTHING is a competition. Everything. Absolutely everything. Drives me crazy. My family happens to be full of nice people who compete - friendly competition - but maybe GG sees life and friendships as not-friendly competitions.
Just thinking aloud...no real point except that I don't think we should dismiss his training as a competitor. I think it plays a role in this thinking and behavior.
Your story brought tears to my eyes because it worked out badly when we tried the same thing. I got the kids 'twin' kittens from the pound as a 'moving ' gift. We were moving to a new town and the kids were sad about leaving their school and friends. So we got them 2 adorable kittens. After they were about a year old, the girl kitty was obsessed with trying to get outside. And my daughter, age 6 at the time, lobbied for her. My DD really wanted her kitty to be allowed to go out and play by the lake. But we do have coyotes around at night too. And I did the same thing as you did---I tried hard to dissuade my daughters pleas. Explained what could happen. Told her about the dangers and said NO we cannot let her out.
Anyhow, somehow, the kitty did get out one time. And eventually we gave up trying to keep her in. She was like a Houdini. And then one morning we found her head and her cat collar on the street, out front. It was horrible. Thank good ness they kids didnt see it. But to this day my daughter has felt much GUILT over her kitty's brutal death. And she was mad at me for not preventing it. :cry:
It has been a very long time since one has hit me like this. Every aspect of this story is worse than the one you heard last it seems. There is no 'silver lining' . There is nothing but darkness. It's just a very rough one.
Don't go there - we'll all end up in therapy.
I was just outside and some kids went by on bikes, a boy about 15ish, a girl 10ish and a little boy about 5ish. They were riding and laughing without a care in the world. They are unaffected by the fears that adults have to / choose to worry about . Why not? Our neighborhood is safe, quiet, very rural. They probably do not know there is one RSO at the end of the street and another RSO next door to me, about 300 yards away. They're just enjoying life and being kids. And I'm glad they can be. Of course, my mind is distracted and all I can think is they are roaming footloose and fancy free and what is really so wrong with that?
ON topic. When my now almost adult daughter was 4 she begged for a kitty and after some searching we found the winner. We brought him home and set him up in the house for housecat life . When he got older he wanted to go outside so bad . I would not let him. My daughter , in all of her wisdom at about 5 yrs of age, wanted him to go out. I reminded her of all the dangers, cars on the road, neighborhood dogs and the coyotes. We have coyotes nightly roaming around looking for a meal. I said he won't live if he goes out there. There are too many dangers. She said to me that if he did not live, at least he would have been free to life the cat's life he was born to live and that cats were not made to live inside and he clearly needed and longed to go out into the cat world. I tried really hard to talk her out of this thinking at her age she could not understand how badly his death would break her heart. She said she understood and it was a chance she would have to take because he needed to be happy more than she needed to be happy . So out he went and had a blast and roamed free and wild. He caught baby rabbits and birds and some times he 'd stay gone all night. We would wake up in the morning hoping he was at the door and he was. He always came back. That kitty is now pushing 13. He comes and goes as he pleases and comes in at least every day to nap and eat and visit us. On cold nights he stays in all night. Of course he could have been killed the first week ! If it had been up to me and all my fear and anxiety and paranoia of what might happen to a lone cat on the prowl, he would never have gone outside. If it was up to me he would have missed one heck of a fun life. The wisdom and naivety of my little 5 yr old gave him the life he was meant to live .
Snipped for brevity.
Have we heard anything more about neighbors feeding Jenise Sunday or letting her in to use the bathroom? Unless LE and the media are repressing such reports I have a difficult time seeing her playing by herself from 7 am on where no one saw her, heard her or let her use their facilities or gave her food. I don't see how that Sunday ever met her.
School's about to start. Yes, the kids are with their sister, but that's not the same as being back home with their family, where they can attend the same school. The older sister lives out of town.
IMHO if there were problems so severe to keep the kids from returning home, I doubt that they would have been placed with relatives that have been on TV saying the kids should get to go home.
:sick:
This was the first case where I really realized in a gut level, not just in my head (because duh), that when I had been cozy in my apartment, pondering which can of beans to pop open for dinner, someone was being killed. It takes my breath away.
Thanks Katydid23. It's very scary, my daughters 25 and believes she can make a difference. The clients are court ordered ...so either Juvie or self contained Behavioral Health. They don't want to be there, they don't like the rules or having to take their meds. This isn't the first time she's been assaulted, she frequently has bruises and bite marks.
She does have one client that's afraid of the dark, so she sits outside his door and reads to him until he falls asleep. She has such a good heart. I know she's making a difference, I just worry she'll be hurt.