GUILTY Wa - Pat Shunn, 45, & Monique Patenaude, 46, Arlington, 11 April 2016 *arrests*

[steelman]

Wow! Not common for this agency to offer reward.

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A $5000 reward doesn't sound like much by American standards, but to some of those poor folks in Mexico, that would be about a 3 year salary. I think that reward may be geared towards those mexican citizens that might be a little hesitant to call in those two gringos that just showed up down at the local bar and got drunk all afternoon. That 5K will get the phone ringing.

 

[kdg411]

http://www.heraldnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20160421/NEWS01/160429774&template=MobileArt

On Wednesday, police searched inside the Ellensburg home of the suspects' parents. It was inside a garage there Saturday that detectives located a pickup truck with blood on the passenger side floorboard.

When the brothers fled Oso, they crossed the mountains to their parents' home. They arrived April 13, and left town the next day in a Volkswagen that was recovered in Phoenix. Late last week, they were believed to be driving a 2002 Gold Acura 3.2 TL with Arizona plates.

 

[steelman]

Wasn't it reported that blood was found in the cargo area of both SUV's ? Now we have it reported that blood was also located in the floorboard of TR's pickup truck. That makes three vehicles with blood in them. Boy, those guys were busy that afternoon, weren't they ?`

And yet none of the neighbors saw anything...........yeah, right.

 

[kdg411]

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/search-continues-for-brothers-suspected-in-arlington-couples-deaths/

A day after Shunn and Patenaude were reported missing, former deputy Bruce Cheek, who lives on the same road as the missing couple, contacted a detective to describe an incident involving John Reed shortly after the 2014 slide.

“Cheek stated Reed was expressing extreme anger about the slide and named a list of people whom Reed blamed (Cheek did not remember the names),” the records state. “Cheek stated Reed expressed in a serious tone that he was capable of killing people without any problems, he could shoot them and then `they’ would never be able to locate the bodies as he (Reed) would get rid of them in the area of timber above the slide area.”

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/documents-contain-chilling-details-of-washington-couple-s-presumed-murder-1.3544600

A significant amount of blood was discovered in the cargo area of each vehicle, and both cars were covered with tree branches in an apparent effort to hide them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3547221/The-Latest-Man-threatened-couple-court-documents-say.html

Investigators have also obtained CCTV footage from a property close to where the couple's vehicles were discovered showing them being driven towards the site at 3:31am on April 12, hours after the couple were last spotted.

A red Toyota pickup, believed to belong to Reed, was then seen driving up the same lane shortly afterwards with what appeared to be a post in the back.

http://www.kgw.com/news/crime/car-belonging-to-arlington-murder-suspects-found-in-arizona/143122898

Inside Shunn and Patenaudes cars found dumped in a wooded area, court documents describe blood pooling and smearing, with the "largest concentration of blood... in cargo area, consistent with a body laying there for some time."

Inside of Reed's former home, detectives found dried blood in the bathtub and on a pair of coveralls. And outside of the home, detectives found two sacks "containing clothes and shoes that reeked of gasoline...extensive apparent bloodstains on them."

 

[Lilibet]

Wasn't it reported that blood was found in the cargo area of both SUV's ? Now we have it reported that blood was also located in the floorboard of TR's pickup truck. That makes three vehicles with blood in them. Boy, those guys were busy that afternoon, weren't they ?`

And yet none of the neighbors saw anything...........yeah, right.

BBM

I'm as cynical as the next WSer, but when we lived on ten acres, any of our neighbors could have committed mass murder and we wouldn't have seen anything. Of course, the Reeds got the two vehicles off the property really fast before the friends showed up, but they probably hid them on JR's former property until dark. If I had passed a neighbor driving another neighbor's vehicle, I would have wondered what was going on, but I wouldn't think murder. Of course, that isn't to say that others didn't see or know this was going on.

 

[carbuff]

We aren't even on that big a parcel and yet there are a number of places where somebody could be dismembering a body undetected. It's a hillside, with trees and little rises all around, and people are always using power equipment. You'd be running the risk somebody would drop by to borrow your chainsaw, but it's quite likely nobody would notice anything.

 

[kdg411]

http://q13fox.com/2016/04/20/woman-recalls-past-threats-made-by-suspected-killer-wanted-in-the-murders-of-arlington-couple/

Good link with video of the recovered vehicles.

 

[ANZAC]

There have been observations of JReed saying he would "kill someone an dump them in the treeline above the slide and they would never be found"

So, if I remember correctly there is a logging/dirt road that comes from the east up towards the treeline behind/above the slide. The material at the rear 1/3 of the slide is very porous and not very solid, it isn't safe to walk on. It certainly might be possible to see a body at the base of the slide/cliff from SR-530 looking north with binoculars. I assume that road is now closed off. There were USGS (?) or similar people up there putting tinfoil on trees to do laser measurement of the stability of the remaining hillside, at least during the aftermath. All that said, a long drive to dump a body, almost driving a big square.

 

[ANZAC]

http://q13fox.com/2016/04/20/woman-...er-wanted-in-the-murders-of-arlington-couple/

Good link with video of the recovered vehicles.

That article brings up a thought --- I'm not trying to excuse or mitigate the acts of these brothers, and I know they have an extensive criminal history --- but it is also possible they had some kind of PTSD added into the mix, from being so close to the slide when it happened. I was there after the slide and plenty of people who survived were having a tough time working through it. Great support from the community, but a very tough time for everyone. the scale and power of the slide was and still is unimaginable to me. It was a wall of dirt and trees a mile wide over 60ft high traveling at 60MPH+.

 

[ANZAC]

http://www.heraldnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20160421/NEWS01/160429774&template=MobileArt

For the people wondering what is taking so long to find the bodies:

Ground search operations to locate Shunn and Patenaude's bodies resumed Thursday in a 23-square-mile area in a remote and heavily wooded area north of their Oso home.

That is a HUGE search area, potentially many weeks worth of searching, maybe more given that they may be buried or in smaller pieces.

 

[vinetender]

Blood was probably tracked in TR's pickup from his bloody cloths/shoes.

 

[vinetender]

According to the court docs, Patrick's phone pings arrival at home April 11 at 3pm. The phone ping remained at the residence until 3am (which is actually Tues 12th) At this time the phone traveled approx 2 miles west and remained at that location for approx 3 hours, prior to returning to the residence where the phone was either powered down or had sim card removed and phone stopped sending signal info. Same with data from Monique's phone. She left home at 9:30am and made stops, returned to residence at 11am. Phone remained at residence until 3am April 12, and traveled to the same location west of home, where it signaled for 3 hours, then returned to the residence, where the signal ceased sending signal info. Those phone signals were used to locate the vehicles.

 

[Snoopster]

I am disappointed that there doesn't seem to be any developments on this case. Have I missed anything?

:dunno:

 

[Lilibet]

I am disappointed that there doesn't seem to be any developments on this case. Have I missed anything?

:dunno:

I don't think there will be any public developments until the Reeds are captured.

 

[tlcya]

OSO — Patrick Shunn and Monique Patenaude could meet strangers on the street and make friends of them in moments.

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Shunn, 45, won people over with his dry wit and practical jokes while Patenaude's welcoming nature and gourmet cooking were legendary among friends. The couple loved adventures and spent a lot of time outdoors, camping, hiking or tending to their animals. Patenaude, 46, loved her dogs, chickens, ducks, lambs and a rooster named Rachel she would pick up and cuddle.

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More than 60 people gathered Thursday afternoon at the Oso Fire Hall to remember the couple.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20160421/NEWS01/160429774/1150/A-love-that-never-dimmed

 

[ANZAC]

I am disappointed that there doesn't seem to be any developments on this case. Have I missed anything?

:dunno:

Dirtbags are probably in Mexico, and the search for the remains is over a huge area (23 sq miles see prior posts).

 

[kdg411]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/19/suspected-killer-had-constant-issues-with-wash-couple-court-papers-show.html

Surveillance video shows the vehicles belonging to Reed and Patenaude approaching the area where they were later discovered dumped at about 3 a.m. on April 12. That’s the same time records show the couple’s cell phones were moved from their home and traveled two miles west, The Herald reported. After three hours, the phones returned to the area of the couple’s home and were shut off.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20160417/NEWS01/160419180

The vehicles were found about 15 miles from the couple's property.

If the phones traveled 2 miles West then that would indicate the locale of Stillaguamish River, however the second article states the vehicles were found about 15 miles from their home. Could their remains have been placed in the river first then the vehicles disposed in a different area to thwart authorities in their search?

 

[VTX88]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/19/suspected-killer-had-constant-issues-with-wash-couple-court-papers-show.html



http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20160417/NEWS01/160419180



If the phones traveled 2 miles West then that would indicate the locale of Stillaguamish River, however the second article states the vehicles were found about 15 miles from their home. Could their remains have been placed in the river first then the vehicles disposed in a different area to thwart authorities in their search?

I would think that wherever the phones were for 3 hours, that is where their bodies are also.

 

[kittenmuse]

To get out of the Whitman neighborhood you have to drive over a small bridge that crosses the stilly. I'm not good with directions so I could be wrong here but I think that's about a mile and a half/two miles to the west from their home. Very easy to dump the bodies there in the early morning hours and continue on to hide the cars, knowing the river would carry the bodies away. JMO. I'm hoping for a river disposal, obviously, because the ability to find them in the water seems much less daunting than in the sheer amount of forest.

 

[WhisperWorm]

Where do you suppose kidnapping fits into this timeline? Would the police make a kidnapping charge only after physically seeing evidence of kidnapping, or could they make that charge based on the known timeline? I am assuming it's the first, but I don't know. If it is, I wonder what evidence they would have encountered that would cause them to word it as is bolded below, making it seem as though both Pat and Monique were kidnapped before being murdered. It would make sense to me that Monique was kidnapped until Pat returned home from work and then they were both murdered. Sort of a "make them watch each other die" kind of situation. I shudder to think of how terrified Monique must have been for, what was it, something like 2 hours before Pat got home from work?

"Detectives say they believe the brothers kidnapped and murdered the couple before coming back to their former property shortly after the crime."
http://q13fox.com/2016/04/18/search-warrants-reveal-tools-linked-to-murder-sold-at-local-store/

Why would those cell phones move 2 miles away and then come back to the crime scene? If the cars were dumped 15 miles away and the Reed's returned - with the cell phones - 3 hours later, that means they retrieved them from that 2-mile spot, doesn't it? Could the 2-mile spot have been a staging area for dumping the cars, but not the bodies? I am so confused as to why those phones stayed at the 2-mile location for 3 hours. Can someone help me come up with an idea that makes sense?