WA WA - Seraya Aung Harmon, 2, Pullman, 29 May 2024 *father and daughter went on a fishing trip in Montana but did not return* #2

[Seni]

Many thanks @BeginnerSleuther !

But if you are in México or Canada as US Citizen you would need to take out health insurance policy?

 

[Lilibet]

The Aungs' story is that in response to SH's extreme texts about the child's condition they consulted the ER doctor. They claim they were told the child had ordinary toddler/childhood constipation to be handled with prune juice and other fluids.

BBM
Could the emergency room doctor release that information about Seraya’s condition to the Aungs? Wouldn’t the HIPAA privacy rules prevent that, unless they had been listed in Seraya’s records as entitled to that information? They may well have been, but otherwise no doctor is going to give them any information about Seraya.

MOO I suspect that the doctor was not overly concerned with Seraya’s constipation and gave normal instructions. But he probably mentioned that if these methods didn’t work in a certain amount of time, to bring her back in order to prevent the worst case scenario, sepsis. I really don’t think she would have been released if it were that serious. Seraya’s Mom took that and ran with it in her desperation to raise the urgency level of Seraya’s disappearance. I don’t blame her. I don’t recall that she ever said that Seraya’s constipation was at that serious level already, but I could be mistaken. JMO

 

[NCWatcher]

BBM
Could the emergency room doctor release that information about Seraya’s condition to the Aungs? Wouldn’t the HIPAA privacy rules prevent that, unless they had been listed in Seraya’s records as entitled to that information? They may well have been, but otherwise no doctor is going to give them any information about Seraya.

MOO I suspect that the doctor was not overly concerned with Seraya’s constipation and gave normal instructions. But he probably mentioned that if these methods didn’t work in a certain amount of time, to bring her back in order to prevent the worst case scenario, sepsis. I really don’t think she would have been released if it were that serious. Seraya’s Mom took that and ran with it in her desperation to raise the urgency level of Seraya’s disappearance. I don’t blame her. I don’t recall that she ever said that Seraya’s constipation was at that serious level already, but I could be mistaken. JMO

If AA has shared custody he could have gotten the ER medical information I'm pretty sure. That's a big part of what true shared custody involves-- the right to make medical decisions and have access medical information. So I don't see HIPAA playing a role to block his access. And if he had access, I'm pretty sure he could give permission for a doctor to speak with his parents. Extended family are frequently involved in child care and may be present when a child is treated in various settings. Parents can allow access.

I doubt the constipation was as serious as the mother said it was either. But the initial comment I was responding to suggested the Aungs exaggerated SH's concerns. They may have changed her words. There's no way to know right now anyway. But SH has gone on the record with the quote I provided that surely seemed to suggest the child could die from her current condition. If it wasn't that serious and was ordinary childhood constipation, AA could have easily been told by the ER doc to push fluids and prune juice. Perhaps the doctor did say what you suggest but that's not what the mother said he said. So we don't really know what SH was told. I know I find it impossible to believe he said the child was on the verge of sepsis but to go home and carry on. MOO
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[LadyL]

I think they're totally fine somewhere in Mexico. There had to have been some planning here, but I don't think it was well planned. They've just been lucky they haven't been spotted.

yep me too

 

[LadyL]

If you bring in a child to the ER, even if you do NOT have an ID, depending on the condition of the child, in MANY cases there will be a Social Worker or a Nurse Case Manager, there to just check what's going on. If the story makes sense.

"We’re from Idaho and traveling and I'm not the bio mom, this is my fiancé and this is his daughter" is going to definitely ring some bells and IDs will be checked of the adults.

It's just a matter of time they'll be caught in their ridiculously poorly thought up escapade. Tick, tock....

does it work that way in Mexico though?

 

[AnyNameIWish]

does it work that way in Mexico though?

I am of the minority that think there is absolutely no way they are in Mexico (Language? Money? Long term lodging?), so I haven't given that a thought.

 

[mst]

I am of the minority that think there is absolutely no way they are in Mexico (Language? Money? Long term lodging?), so I haven't given that a thought.

I agree with you.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Many thanks @BeginnerSleuther !

But if you are in México or Canada as US Citizen you would need to take out health insurance policy?

I can't speak to what other countries require so I don't know. I would bet there are illegal immigrants in Canada who don't have a policy. I don't know much about that unfortunately.

 

[GRT]

I do want the child to be found, of course. But I have mixed feelings about the couple being caught in an ER. While a group from all over is following the case on WS, I'm not sure how much national attention it's actually getting. But if they got caught at an ER and there were to be lots of publicity, I'd be worried it could cause more people to be reluctant to visit an ER with a child under all kinds of "iffy" circumstances. And I'm not sure that would be a good thing in the long run. I'm afraid too often fear of caretaker blame already results in delayed treatment for children as it is.
MOO

BBM

I think this is true. People in other states who don't follow WS will have no knowledge of this story, and AA could hand over his information (ID, insurance card), and no one would be the wiser. The hospital/clinic would treat Seraya, and the trio would be on their way.

I don't think ERs are somehow linked to police databases of missing persons.

But, I could be wrong...

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I am of the minority that think there is absolutely no way they are in Mexico (Language? Money? Long term lodging?), so I haven't given that a thought.

Even including the (ruse??) data about Montana...I really felt Canada was a much better escape plan. An Asian man, and blond American would be ever so normal there.
I do hope some of our Canadian folks will add comments tho.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Even including the (ruse??) data about Montana...I really felt Canada was a much better escape plan. An Asian man, and blond American would be ever so normal there.
I do hope some of our Canadian folks will add comments tho.

As I've previously stated, all 3 would require passports to enter Canada.
It's not like it once was where folks just "fled to Canada" for whatever reason.
I've never been to Mexico so I don't know what's considered normal there, but in my part of Canada, it wouldn't be out of the ordinary to see an Asian man and a blonde woman together.

Although, if I had to guess I'd say they're close to (his) home, somewhere around Moscow.

jmo

 

[detective.moon]

someone mentioned kaitlin armstrong, i was reminded of her case too. i reread the thread about her the other day. she was a suspect in a murder case so everyone was saying she couldn’t have possibly taken an international flight, right? it turned out she did, and was able to do so by using her sisters passport.

not saying these three are all using family members passports too, and i’m not really convinced of any specific scenario, but i wouldn’t rule out they somehow found a surprisingly simple way to travel internationally!

definitely would love to know if they have done much international travelling previously, where they have been, to which places they (or the aung) family have special connections!

 

[LovesPeace2]

For me Canada seems the realistic place. I live near the bc/us border it's not that hard to get in also there's peace arch park that borders Washington state and Abbotsford and that's a walk in shared park between us/bc that you usually aren't asked for passport the parking lot in Canada is on indigenous land .also does any of their family members have nexus cards to get in and out of Canada ? I know there used to be unmanned crossings but not sure if there's still any. They could get the little girl seen by a Dr as long as they had some sort of id . This is all just moo

 

[Inthedetails]

ik As I've previously stated, all 3 would require passports to enter Canada.
It's not like it once was where folks just "fled to Canada" for whatever reason.
I've never been to Mexico so I don't know what's considered normal there, but in my part of Canada, it wouldn't be out of the ordinary to see an Asian man and a blonde woman together.

Although, if I had to guess I'd say they're close to (his) home, somewhere around Moscow.

jmo

I also think they are closer to home, and if they are in a different place, I think it's within USA.

jmo

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I also think they are closer to home, and if they are in a different place, I think it's within USA.

jmo

My thinking too. For one, there isn't (at least that we've seen) actual evidence they went to Mexico other than a vague reference to a vehicle sighting. No pictures/video, no witnesses, nothing. Secondly, and more to the point, it seems very unlikely to me that Mrs. Aung would let Aaron out of her reach and control. I think they are hidden somewhere close by.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

BBM

I think this is true. People in other states who don't follow WS will have no knowledge of this story, and AA could hand over his information (ID, insurance card), and no one would be the wiser. The hospital/clinic would treat Seraya, and the trio would be on their way.

I don't think ERs are somehow linked to police databases of missing persons.

But, I could be wrong...

BBM. They are not, but most ERs have a police presence due to unruly patients.

 

[GRT]

BBM. They are not, but most ERs have a police presence due to unruly patients.

That makes sense, given that ER patients (or family members) can be traumatized and act impulsively.

I just wonder how likely it would be for the police or security officer to encounter well-behaved patients and their families.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

That makes sense, given that ER patients (or family members) can be traumatized and act impulsively.

I just wonder how likely it would be for the police or security officer to encounter well-behaved patients and their families.

Not just traumatized. Lots of people go to the ER, including criminals.

It's not that they would or wouldn't encounter well-behaved patients. The point is that with a police presence, then they risk an officer recognizing them. This was in response to a number of posts speculating whether or not they'd be in danger of being caught if they showed up to an ER. They aren't required to provide ID and even if a medical personnel recognized them, they'd likely not turn them in, and most likely they wouldn't recognize them. The most likely mechanism by which they'd get caught in an ER is a cop recognizing them. JMO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Maybe she didn't think she had time to explain the situation to her parents JMO

Interesting thought Sweetdreams……. and also interestingly - IIRC NC (or someone) indicated that she had aspired to become a lawyer…. or words to that effect? I wonder if NC still has that profession in her future employment prospects? MOO

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Interesting thought Sweetdreams……. and also interestingly - IIRC NC (or someone) indicated that she had aspired to become a lawyer…. or words to that effect? I wonder if NC still has that profession in her future employment prospects? MOO

"...if NC still has that profession in her future employment prospects?"

Absolutely not. If it proves to be, as most of us suspect, that she is involved with this custodial interference case, there is no way a law school would ever admit her, nor would she ever qualify for the bar.