WARNING:GRAPHIC PHOTOS Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #9

[Allusonz]

I have yet to come across independent information about the african hair or about MK's broken window, so that was a complete shock to me to read in that article. As well as the bloody tissues. I'd love to know where they came from.

IIRC there was no African hair, but ILE was fixated or seemed to be on a particular type of person

Maybe Nova or Malkmus may remember more. There was so much reported incorrectly, things leaked to the press etc sometimes certain things tend to become a bit of a blur when talking about items reported or said by ILE at the start

 

[Allusonz]

There was no African hair. There was MK's hair in blood. MK's window was not broken and there indeed was a text message and bloody tissues outside but not related to the crime. I am going from memory so correct me if I am wrong

Remember though as Malkmus confirmed that when you translate see you later in Italian that this means that there will be a definate meeting later

 

[wasnt_me]

I don't know how any statement made in any language can indicate for a fact that the information in the statement took place. Something has to be taken in account for AK using an American phrase. But I really can't understand how that phrase never became universal after all this time, kind of like "What's up" or "what's happening." hasn't USA slang reached around the world yet? Rhetorical question.

But at the level the investigators are, I have to ask if AK was too frightened enough to tell them it was just something people say? I don't know what her specific response was in explaining it.

I'm looking into buy the Monster of Perugia, the framing of Ak.

Anyone know if it's good. I read everything on the sciencesphere blog, and I like the way the writer breaks things down, even though I don't 100% agree.

 

[wasnt_me]

If the convictions are upheld, I wonder if the sentences have a possibility of being lessened as RG's was. I mean 16 years? geez.

They said he got that for apologizing. well, AK apologized, too, so...

 

[sherlockh]

It's okay. I think the "you're trying to complicate things" got me, but just so you know, I'm in bed on my laptop, not at a chair at a computer. :innocent:

Oh ok, I didn't realize that. I indeed have no idea in what position you would be behind your computer I just meant in general. As for complicating things I referred to the 'ounces' of themselves they would have cleaned up. There is nothing that suggests that. This line of thinking I call reverse reasoning to complicate a cleanup scenario and make it look impossible.

We have discussed this many times already and I don't think anything will come out of it if we go over it again. Personally, I just look at the evidence and draw conclusions from that. Some people think there should have been piles of DNA of them in the murder room, other people don't share this opinion. That is just the way it is

 

[wasnt_me]

I don't believe any clean up of the scene occured. Just clean up of the perp so he could leave the house. Others believe in this possible clean up and we were debating it. that is why the conversation came about. specifically, it came about when I was talking about why AK would see the crap in the toilet but leave it and not flush it the moment she saw it. Someone else theorized she left it to implicate RG and then I came back asking why then, if she wanted to implicate RG, would she not implicate RG. So the convo went fromt here. We never know if anything new can be discovered by discussing matters again. I assume that's what appeals are about. discussing the same evidence again.

 

[wasnt_me]

That as well was my take on it. I would think those windows would be easily viewed from the road compared to Filomena's window which I would consider to be a big detterent

Here's another picture.

I can see the balcony and also what appears to be a street lamp in the foreground. If this is a street lamp, perhaps it shines right down on that balcony at night. Just guessing.

I think I see another streetlamp in this picture, look by the mirror on the red car and trace the black thing upward. But it doesn't appear you'll see the window driving in the direction of the red car. You will see it possibly driving the other way, but I saw a picture that had a tree in the yard in front of the window. I'll try to find it. Most of the time I see the pictures, that tree isn't in bloom. I dno't mean the tree by the road, but another that's actually in the yard closer to the window. Oh, actually, if you look in this pic below, you will see the tree I mean. Look where the "life" imprint is on left corner. Over that is the tree. I've seen it in bloom once or twice in photos. It could have blocked that window had it been in bloom, but I have no idea when that tree blooms or falls. but had both trees been in bloom, they would have shielded the window at least at ground level, given less of a clear line of sight to the window, except by the porch.

But to me, the house seems to sit down in the hill, so I'm not sure what could be seen higher up.

 

[wasnt_me]

Meredith's window does NOT appear to be broken:

 

[jjenny]

I don't believe any clean up of the scene occured. Just clean up of the perp so he could leave the house. Others believe in this possible clean up and we were debating it. that is why the conversation came about. specifically, it came about when I was talking about why AK would see the crap in the toilet but leave it and not flush it the moment she saw it. Someone else theorized she left it to implicate RG and then I came back asking why then, if she wanted to implicate RG, would she not implicate RG. So the convo went fromt here. We never know if anything new can be discovered by discussing matters again. I assume that's what appeals are about. discussing the same evidence again.

We know that both of them (AK and RS) admit to taking drugs that night.
I wonder how much do they really remember of what they were doing.

 

[jjenny]

We also know MK's door was locked-I presume from the outside with a key? Would Rudy lock the door, considering he got out of the apartment without even flashing the toilet?

 

[SMK]

This is understandable. Just say black man to avoid this later. That sounds better than "a black" as RG said. I'm a so-called African American, but I don't too much like to be called such because we are 100's of years removed from Africa, and I'm not 100% AA, but white and indian as well, so it's not accurate and it makes me feel as if i'm some American immigrant transplant, rather than an American. We don't hear white people being call Italian-American, European-American and what have you. So anyways, I'm off topic.

No problem, and I agree fully---but it was supposed to be the correct thing to say "African American"---but I agree with your reasoning, sorry

 

[SMK]

PS: It was in Bruce Fisher's book that I read about the black hair and on his Injustice in Perugia site----which I thought I should be able to trust for facts, maybe not.

 

[sherlockh]

I was able to find a little bit on the 'hair in hand' found in the motivations report.

p110
"Also, her hands were bloodstained and were protected with plastic bags in order to allow sample collection, as some hairlike fibres could be seen."

p190
"As for what appeared to be hairlike filaments found on the victim's body, when examined under a microscope they appeared to be strands of wool and gave no results."

I guess that solves the 'mystery' of the hairs in hand found

 

[SMK]

I was able to find a little bit on the 'hair in hand' found in the motivations report.

p110
"Also, her hands were bloodstained and were protected with plastic bags in order to allow sample collection, as some hairlike fibres could be seen."

p190
"As for what appeared to be hairlike filaments found on the victim's body, when examined under a microscope they appeared to be strands of wool and gave no results."

I guess that solves the 'mystery' of the hairs in hand found

 

[SMK]

Amanda and Raffaele cleaned up some of the evidence, but not all of it. It looks like they wanted to stage the cottage to implicate a stranger. They had no way of knowing that Rudy's fingerprints were on file with police.

If AK and RS wanted to, as you say, implicate a stranger, then why leave the toilet unflushed, knowing it was full of, let us say, DNA which belonged to Guede?:waitasec:

 

[SMK]

Getting back to the appeal, if it is all being based on a review of 1. the witness and 2. the evidence on the knife and bra clasp, and it appears the witness is no good, and there is too little evidence to retest ---BUT the prosecution claims this is all OK, and will simply point back to the original indictment which was all above board, and the collection procedures which were all OK too---then what is new in this appeal, and what is the purpose of it??????????:snooty:

 

[iluvmua]

Read the book by Candace Dempsey ... it's laid out in black and white. Two hours after the questioning began, out popped the accusation.

I have it and it is a very good book. It would be great reading material this summer.

 

[jjenny]

If AK and RS wanted to, as you say, implicate a stranger, then why leave the toilet unflushed, knowing it was full of, let us say, DNA which belonged to Guede?:waitasec:

I am pretty sure not everyone knows DNA can be extracted from feces.
Also, the only way to match DNA if DNA pattern from Guede was kept on file, otherwise it would be DNA from a stranger.

 

[SMK]

I am pretty sure not everyone knows DNA can be extracted from feces.
Also, the only way to match DNA if DNA pattern from Guede was kept on file, otherwise it would be DNA from a stranger.

Granted, but if Guede were questioned, they could of course ask for a sample. . .

 

[SMK]

I wonder if any have ever read this website in which a supposed forensic expert conducts an analysis of Knox's statements? An interesting theory is made by a poster within, that Knox and Sollecito were grossly over-charged. Had they been charged merely with obstruction of justice, tampering with a crime scene, we would likely know the story by now. But Mignini's 3 on 1 sex game scenario put an end to it. I had long wondered if they merely felt responsible for having directed Rudy there, and tried to cover up. http://***************************/2010/08/amanda-knox-email-analysis.html

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