Wayne Millard Murder Trial - Dellen Millard Charged With Murder - #2

[6degrees]

Would family members of a suicide victim blatantly lie to others about cause of death? In my (slightly biased) opinion, Millard flat out lying and saying WM died of a brain aneurysm rather than being honest speaks to his guilt. Perhaps there are other reason that a family member would flat out lie? I can see wanting privacy and maybe struggling with the stigma of suicide by staying quiet or not giving details, but flat out lying seems to be a bigger step than I would expect.

I think you may have answered your own question. The stigma of suicide is profound and if you couple that with cultural positions and religious edicts against suicide you have a perfect storm for why some families may choose to lie and come up with a more acceptable mode of death. I'm guessing that while lying may be seen as wrong, the shame and stigma of a family suicide may be worse. I, of course, am in no way applying that line of thinking to DM....my position is very much that he murdered his father in a premeditated fashion and lied for the obvious reason. As an additional thought, I can almost see DM in his own twisted way laughing to himself as he told people his Dad died of a brain hemorrhage because that IS EXACTLY how he died. Clearly without elaborating on how his father's brain came to hemorrhage.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

I know of two different people that I considered to be alcoholic who stopped drinking on their own.

The first was a relative in his 50s, a long time drinker whose wife threatened to divorce him if he did not stop drinking. So one day he just quit. He never drank again for the rest of his days. Lived to be about 80.

The second was another male - 40s and another long time drinker. That guy became sick with cancer, had to have surgeries and chemo, etc. He stopped all alcoholic intake when he became ill and never went back to it.

So it can be done. I think it takes a lot of will power. But for the guy who was sick, not too much will power seemed to be involved. He said it no longer tasted any good to him.

 

[6degrees]

6Degrees, I found the DNA article a few days before the trial started. I don’t recall it being posted here as it wasn’t part of the trial, just pre-trial stuff. So that’s probably why you didn’t find it here.

Here’s the article on DNA again incase anyone missed it on the now closed page. It’s towards the bottom of the article.

Convicted killer Dellen Millard to stand trial in death of father

Thanks CJPrincess. I was kinda pulling my hair out trying to find it in the actual "testimony by tweet" or embedded otherwise.

 

[6degrees]

I'm thinking the same thing. There seems to be nothing really as of yet. Just a few anomalies' but no real proof of anything even the coroner didn't really do much. I was hoping for some evidence of the trajectory of the bullet, toxin screen, etc. but instead got he was alcoholic and died of a gunshot wound to the eye , had a blood alcohol level slightly above legal driving limits (so if he was alcoholic he wouldn't even be tipsy) and I didn't move the bag (which btw I think he did). Oh and I agree where the hell are the fingerprints. I find that to one of the strangest & most incriminating things - you have to grip a gun pretty firmly to get a shot off.

Early days.....they wouldn't be taking him to trial without a strong sense of an ability to successfully prosecute. I'm sure there will be lots of awful details of DM's planning and execution to come....

 

[6degrees]

Marlena must have something good to share. This is the 3rd trial she's been called to testify. My guess is MS knows the truth too. I can't help but think that DM slipped up somewhere and divulged what really happened. He's not as smart as he thinks he is. MOO

With that thought in mind, could MS not be subpoenaed to testify? And I can't imagine there is ANYWAY possible that MS doesn't have good knowledge, maybe second hand of course through DM, of exactly what led up to WM's murder.

Or....if they tell the truth to people outside the extremely small inner circle, they might just contact someone in LE and tell them their version of their friend/colleague.

New article by Adam Carter.

Wayne Millard was no reclusive shut-in, business associate says | CBC News

Thanks for posting this Kamille. It's great to hear another's perspective on WM's personality and disposition in the months leading up to his death. A social cripple does not drive about town looking to make social contact.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Marlena must have something good to share. This is the 3rd trial she's been called to testify. My guess is MS knows the truth too. I can't help but think that DM slipped up somewhere and divulged what really happened. He's not as smart as he thinks he is. MOO

Well, this is his THIRD murder trial and he's been found guilty in 2 outta 3 so...

Yeah. He's both a violent creep, and an idiot. Best place for him is locked up for life.

 

[Ontario Mom]

A Toronto Star column from the other day states "It was the slaying of Bosma in May, 2013, which led investigators to reopen the Wayne Millard case. The alleged discovery of Dellen Millard’s DNA on the grip of the .32-calibre Smith & Wesson revolver found next to his father’s bed resulted in the laying of a murder charge."
(Opinion | Dellen Millard, convicted of first degree murder in killing of Tim Bosma, Laura Babcock, is now on trial in the death of his father)

Surely it must have been more than that, though...

Maybe not at first. Really, all it would have taken is to compare his statement from the night he "discovered" his dead father in bed, to the fact that his very DNA was on the grip of the gun that killed him. He lied thru his teeth in the statement, and that would be a massive red flag for any investigator.

 

[matou]

Why would DM say that his father was "still in bed" at 6:30? Wouldn't he think he was laying down for a nap? He's got a bad back. He's in his 70s. Why still in bed from the night before? Haha DM. Too much description shows your lies.

 

[winter2017]

There is a new article in one of the newspapers about an acquaintance of Wayne and they met up months before his death and this man said Wayne was not a recluse. He wanted to get together with this man and meet to talk about the new business he had in mind.
He said Wayne was not reclusive. I think that he had a back injury so he was less mobile from before and he was taking strong pain medication so for a time he was more homebound and not as social. Then he maybe began to feel better and he also got reacquainted with his gf.
If I can get a link to the article I will post it.

 

[winter2017]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/wayne-millard-1.4694175 …

 

[winter2017]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/wayne-millard-1.4694175 …

That is the article about Wayne not being a recluse.

 

[Georgeo]

I agree! Can’t wait to see what stupid crap these clowns did to get busted for another murder!

I’m leaning on all of the above! Specially jailhouse letters! Also, how much did MJW sing when he got busted for being the murder weapons seller linked to a couple murders?

For gangster and want to be gangsters, they were all very stupid on leaving bread crumbs EVERYWHERE!!

The other thing I do question, was WM really an Alcoholic as DM and MB perceive him to be? Can an alcoholic ‘just’ stop drinking?
DM stated in his police interview, that his dad stopped drinking for a few months (sorry if time is wrong) after he/WM threw his back out. He thought maybe it was a kidney issue and not his back”!

I also do not believe he was drinking 8-10 bottles of wine per night. Those small bottles are about 1.5 glasses per bottle. Where were all those bottles? Not one photo was taken showing these wine bottles.

Anyone I’ve known over the years that were in fact, alcoholics, they could never JUST stop drinking. They actually had to go for treatment to stop.

MOO

An alcoholic can stop if he has to. Ie running out of money. But as soon as he has access to money, it starts back up. I have a relative who is a severe alcoholic and stopped cold turkey as he ran out of money. We knew it was too good to be true. As soon as he received an influx of money from Cashing in rrsp, he is right back to heavy drinking.

 

[Shaz14]

I was watching some of the interview again and noticed that he said he didn’t know Mark’s street name even though he drove there all the and stayed over. That in itself is not necessarily all that significant to me because i’m not very good at those kinds of details either. I couldn’t tell you the names of my friends’ streets either, I just know how to get there. However, he gave the main intersection as Old Abbey Lane near Third Line. I live close by and it just occurred to me that Old Abbey Lane doesn’t go to Third Line. It stops at what is basically 4th line but 4th line has a different name at that point. I guess you could say it is in the general neighbourhood of third line, but it definitely isn’t the major intersection. Someone previously mentioned that maybe he was trying not to give away where MS lives, or maybe he just has no clue where he is going half the time. It’s probably not important but just thought I’d mention it.

 

[MorningStar22]

Thanks for the tweets today Velma!

I have a few random questions...

Did anyone testify as to what was inside the Lululemon bag? I'd be very surprised if no LE looked inside it after finding the gun on top and the bag wedged in beside the bed just so...

Regarding the tattoos/images of being shot in the eye, I recall seeing a pic of AM (Facebook maybe?) with a similar tattoo - with flowers coming out of one eye, or flames maybe?

I also recall from the TB and LB trial mention made of DM moving into his dad's bedroom - that the photos we see from that Mob Reporter video of the light blue room and the ghetto mattress were Wayne's room... but I might be wrong?

And... please tell me there is evidence coming up pertaining to CN's infamous letter stash. I think there was a lot redacted from the last 2 trials and hoping this clears that up.

 

[Jasper52]

@MorningStar22, there was no court today. Back in session tomorrow!

 

[Shaz14]

@MorningStar22, there was no court today. Back in session tomorrow!

I think tomorrow will be a big day...I hope...I hope MM has something to say. She helped a lot in the last trial.

 

[Arnie M]

This information in that article is new to me:

"Wayne Millard had the means -- a plane, a helicopter and money to burn -- for the venture. He and Burns, who would later become his wife, were making a film about the seal hunt with the help of Sea Shepherd Conservation Society founder Paul Watson."

"Wayne Millard was a longtime Air Canada pilot before getting involved with Millardair. He once sued Air Canada because they suspended him for growing his hair too long, said Dennis Chadala, who wrote a book about his years with Millardair."

Rebellion is a family trait.

Air Canada tried to fire him because they thought his hair was too long ..... so he took it to court and won. We have to agree he was right , in modern day nobody can discriminate against long hair , short hair , no hair etc ,
At that time Air Canada was run by stodgy oldtimers who thought all pilots should look like military (short hair)

Wayne was passionate about stopping the seal hunt , maybe too much so , one time he had a helicopter near the hunt taking videos . This was back before anyone else had movie cameras. Police knocked him over and confiscated the film. They charged him with something about obstructing a legitimate business (the seal hunt) but he pleaded not guilty .

Cops were smug at the trial until Wayne revealed he had another camera running in the helicopter that captured the whole thing .... Wayne was not obstructing anyone , he was simply running a camera , it was the police who accosted him and started the whole encounter. I think some cops got into deep trouble over that (false) charge.

We must remember in all this talk about Wayne he was after all an accomplished Air Canada Pilot at one time .... which was perceived as "the pinnacle" in Canadian aviation

You dont get there by being rich or poor . You get there by being a top pilot and responsible. And Wayne did it on his own .

In my opinion it was his passionate hatred of the seal hunt that changed (ruined) his direction in life. Maybe even turned him to drink a bit extra. The Seals themselves could give a crap about Wayne. They are the ugly fat rats of the ocean , except when they are born , they are kinda cute for a short time.

best wishes

 

[MistyWaters]

The other thing I do question, was WM really an Alcoholic as DM and MB perceive him to be? Can an alcoholic ‘just’ stop drinking?
DM stated in his police interview, that his dad stopped drinking for a few months (sorry if time is wrong) after he/WM threw his back out. He thought maybe it was a kidney issue and not his back”!

I also do not believe he was drinking 8-10 bottles of wine per night. Those small bottles are about 1.5 glasses per bottle. Where were all those bottles? Not one photo was taken showing these wine bottles.

Anyone I’ve known over the years that were in fact, alcoholics, they could never JUST stop drinking. They actually had to go for treatment to stop.

MOO

These tweets were during the testimony of the girlfriend, the first witness. But just because he admitted to a drinking problem certainly doesn’t prove he committed suicide, however a very positive step forward for him to have acknowledged it to her.

Mark Carcasole‏Verified account @MarkCarcGlobal 26s27 seconds ago
Asked if Wayne #Millard had a drink if problem, Campbell says he was frank with her that he was a drinker and wanted to stop. “But he wasn’t a sad person, either.” She personally never saw him have a drink.

Adam Carter‏Verified account @AdamCarterCBC 24s25 seconds ago
She says Wayne Millard told her he had a drinking problem, though she never saw him drink. "He was not proud of that in any way," Campbell says. "But he wasn't a sad person. #Millard

Lisa Hepfner‏ @LisaHepfnerCHCH 22s23 seconds ago
Campbell didn't know Wayne #Millard to be a drinker but he told her he had a drinking problem he was not proud of. "He was looking to get out of that. But he wasn't a sad person." Wayne never drank in her presence, she never smelled alcohol on him.

 

[Arnie M]

I think tomorrow will be a big day...I hope...I hope MM has something to say. She helped a lot in the last trial.

Me too , out of all the "friends" of Millard & Smich she was the only one to be reasonably truthful .

She may not be the smartest gal in the world , but she leaned toward "the good side" .... trying to get Smich to abandon his truck theft plans etc , and she was truthful as a witness.

Compared to CN she is like an angel

 

[Claroon]

I just realized this afternoon this trial was on so skimmed through the tweets recorded. This may have been pointed out but an inconsistency seems to be DM himself saying his dad had been "bedridden" after hurting his back but then supposedly being surprised to find his dad "still in bed" late in the afternoon when he came home.