weekend discussion: discuss the trial here #139

[verbonica]

I'm a newbie here but my experience with resumes is that you do NOT list every single thing you've ever done in every area...instead you list the more current with a link for more info in each area. I think the MASS of all these resume listing is to cover the face ALC is short in the area of Education and testifying in Crimminal case...JMHO

A CV (Curriculum Vitae) is a bit different than a resume:

" A CV elaborates on education to a greater degree than a résumé and is expected to include a comprehensive listing of professional history including every term of employment, academic credential, publication, contribution or significant achievement. In certain professions, it may even include samples of the person's work and may run to many pages"

Curriculum vitae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[marlap]

Why did ALV mention all the women's names, first and last, when she was testifying. Couldn't she have used initials or something? First names? No one else really used specific given names IIRC. I feel really badly for them.

I thought the exact same thing! Using specific names was so mean spirited.

 

[Numbers]

I always thought of scam/scamming as an example.
I was approached in a parking lot by a lady offering to sell my a pretty glass bud vase for $5.00.
The scam was she bought it in the goodwill for 50 cents next to the food lion and preys on the food lion shoppers visiting the lake in the summer. :what:

I see this as capitalism (albeit with the pity factor added).

Scamming to me would be if she bought the vase at the Goodwill and claimed it was a rare 15th century Japanese vase.

 

[Pink Panther]

Another thing that I wanted to see. Jodi took pics of herself driving to mesa on her premeditated murder trip and she had "bruises" on her neck. JM asked her about this on the stand and was about to show the pictures until an Objection from the defense and then the subject was dropped..Can someone find it for me? Where did she get these "bruises" from. She hadn't seen travis since April.. and yet Matt said he saw bruises on JA's neck. If travis was her abuser (which i dont believe) and she hadn't seen him since April..how did she get these "bruises" I wish JM could've shown that pic.

I'd forgotten about that. I wonder why he was not allowed to show those pictures. Maybe we'll get to see them after the trial?

 

[Zuri]

When the "Violence Against Women Act" was written in the 90's, ALV's work was lauded and cited. She had worked tirelessly to bring domestic violence to the forefront. As social mores have evolved and awareness has grown, progress has been made.

I really wish ALV had not taken this case. If she had not, she would not be subjected to the media fodder, outrage, cyber bullying, anger, hate mail and death threats. Her reputation and integrity would still be intact.

Hindsight is often 20/20. We often have to "pay" for our mistakes. I really hope, for her sake, that the money was worth it. The ripple effect of her testimony is going to be vast and wide. The Alexander family has paid a far greater price than the monetary gain she received. Respectfully, JMO

 

[minor4th]

Mine was "Well, we can't subpoena God, can we?"

Mine is either:

"It's not like he was saying, let's get down baby, right?" OR

"For realz"

 

[dog.gone.cute]

:seeya: Good Morning / Afternoon !

:great: I am still "reeling" from yesterday's :fireworks:

:great: Is it Monday yet ?

:great: Have a nice weekend and will check back for updates later because of "real life" ... LOL !

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Good morning peeps!!
Slept like a LOG!!!
I was trying to describe ALV's testimony to a friend who has been away. The basics of WHY she testified, and her REASON for testifying.
It made me realize something.

In my estimation, ALV's purpose was to show that JA was SO "battered", that at the time of her murdering Travis, she responded as a battered woman would. Is that right?

Because she barely TOUCHED on the murder itself!! I was expecting her to say, when Travis (supposedly) lunged at JA, all of these memories came flooding back, and she just LOST it. That her years and years (lol) of abuse (lol) caused her to see all of that horrible abuse (lol) to come flooding back.

Not only did JW NOT bring that up, but when a juror specifically ASKED if JA snapped, ALV rather denied it???

Are we to believe she was a battered woman, but it had noting to do with the murder??
ALV certainly didn't connect the dots if that's what she was trying to convey.

I have found that explaining the proceedings to someone who knows nothing, or very little about the case, necessitates you to really think about the testimony, it's impact, and the quality of said testimony.

ALV's testimony sucked.

 

[The Village Idiot]

I thought of something this morning when I was in the shower (where I do most of my best thinking......when I'm not paranoid of some sociopath lurking outside the curtain with a knife): didn't ALL of her previous boyfriends MOVE AWAY after the break up? Bobby Flores moved to Oregon, Matt moved far away to his grandparent's home, and Daryl Brewer said his wife moved away with their son (perhaps she saw the *DANGER* *DANGER* flashing over JA's head), and then Daryl followed.

I know Daryl spoke all flowers and lovey dovey about her, but I still think she has something over him that he does NOT want exposed. I am 98.7% sure that the one peen picture that the DT was trying to enter as Travis is, in fact, Daryl. I bet she and her "camera" have a little something on ALL her exes, which is enough to keep them quiet. But I found it interesting that they ALL left the area where she was.

JMO

(as an aside, I recently read a blog from a guy who had an ex EXACTLY like JA. It was chilling to read his story. I think it's called "just da truth." Very interesting.)

Not sure if it was here, or somewhere else.....but the Penis pic from Court (can I say that here??) shows a partial hand in it.

IMHO those finger nails LOOK more like Darryl's fingernails than Travis. As they are more square fingertips where TA were more Round. So knowing JA she could have told the DT that WAS Travis's P*nis. While all along it is actually Darryl thing. So ONLY Darryl and JA know that. So she may be controlling him by getting that pic into evidence via the DT and telling them (more lies) while Darryl know its his thing....so in order to keep it from the public REALLY knowing it is his (as what guy would confess to that) ....Darryl know it his thing, and rather than say so.....He lies on the Stand to HELP JA -- and if he does this -- SHE will not disclose it is his *thing*.

We all know that JA uses sexual things on Men...and I have a feeling that this is another one of her games.

Darryl IS not going to say that is really his thing and that she is lying, as the internet world would know. It will not hurt JA (in her sick mind) but then he will be exposing his family jewels to all. A guy would assume IF He CAN lie for JA IN ORDER to keep their secret as to whose family jewels they are. So TA not alive to say that is his thing...so JA with Darryl can pull the wool over people eyes. We know how she controls people

MAYBE that is why Darryl did not want his face shown in Court just in Case should it ever be known that is his Jewels. Maybe the DT promise him and (his jewels) a Witness relocation/protection program LOL

We know JA plays sexually, plays dirty, and plays a game so warped. This idea is not so far fetched!! That is what she (possibly) has OVER Darryl.

Think about, it is ONLY JA word that is TA jewels......

Worth some thought!!! Seriously...how do you make a person that may really hate you - say Nice things about you in Court? You hang something OVER their head to make them the perfect lying witness for you (meaning her JA)


:moo: :doorhide:

 

[angelcee]

A CV (Curriculum Vitae) is a bit different than a resume:

" A CV elaborates on education to a greater degree than a résumé and is expected to include a comprehensive listing of professional history including every term of employment, academic credential, publication, contribution or significant achievement. In certain professions, it may even include samples of the person's work and may run to many pages"

Curriculum vitae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks for the info!

 

[pferrin]

Just seems to me ALV's arrogance allow her to believe she can just do what she wants.

- Speaks over Judge when there is an objection
- Admits to lying on the stand
- Approaches a member of the victim's family
- Asks to use the bathroom in the middle of testimony
- Gets on the stand but forgets to bring her glasses

Did i miss anything?

Didnt bring her notes

Was neither professional or an expert

Didnt investigate all sides to the situation

Trying to act like she was holding a seminar not testifying in a dp murder trial

Completely unprepared.

Rude and obnoxious when Juan was on cross

Combative

Abusive to judge and prosecutor

Incompetent

Intentionally Wasted State of Arizona taxpayers money ..and to me that is the same as stealing

The main thing for me was her saying ..just because you lie does not make you a liar...so i guess that means it makes you truthful.

I really think she has been a huge pain in the backside for everyone involved in the trial, including the DT.

I added a few. pferrin

 

[Rosebud1952]

MY prediction is that after JA is convicted of 1st degree (I am not sure about the DP, but what do I know?), she is going to cause such chaos that her DT, including her experts, will be in a tailspin. Everyone is going down. If ALV thinks things are bad now, just wait until JA gets done with her. As the saying goes, "She ain't seen nothing yet." She will expose ALV and Samuels for the sellouts that they are and use it to her own benefit. They used her. I don't know how much damage she can do to Nurmi and JW, but she will use whatever she can.
And really, when you really think about it, ALV and Samuels did it for themselves, not because they believe JA, and JA knows this. They used her and she has no respect for them.
And everytime I see her shed a tear, I think about that email, "You only cry for yourself."

 

[Liebchenmutti]

About ALV claiming JA driving to ambush Bianca wasn't "hostile". Remember the scene in Fatal Attraction where she's nicely sitting in their living room having tea quietly with his wife when he comes home? That wasn't hostile either.

EXACTLY. When I was stalked, my stalker threatened me that he was going to call my boss & tell him that I was a wh@#e. He did call, and only told my boss to "have a nice day." I called the police, but they couldn't do anything b/c it was not a threat. It made me terrified that I was going to lose my job and it made me physically ill from fear. Jodi fits that to a T.

 

[Rosebud1952]

Here is my prediction, and Jodi is already starting to plot it: When this whole thing is done and she is convicted, she is going to throw Samuels and ALV under the bus. She is going to come up with a fourth story ( Maybe Insanity) and tell the world the truth. That these experts came to her, told her to change her story from the Ninjas to being the Victim, and gave her the material to try to perfect her story. She will totally ruin their career and won't care because she knows that they used her for their own benefit. And of course, Nurmi and JW are going down too because she will expose them also, and Samuels and ALV won't even see it coming.

But I tell you, I can see it in her face, she is already plotting her next move.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Mine is either:

"It's not like he was saying, let's get down baby, right?" OR

"For realz"

LOL minor!! I still get the giggles every time I think of those words coming out of Juan's mouth!!! LOL

 

[Elley Mae]

I see this as capitalism (albeit with the pity factor added).

Scamming to me would be if she bought the vase at the Goodwill and claimed it was a rare 15th century Japanese vase.

Oh it wasn't rare, but I was led to believe she made it. To me I was being scammed, of just led astray?

 

[kaRN]

The defense team might have offered her more $ or more hours to testilie about DV.

It seems to me they watered down the facts they presented to ALV and told her to base her assessment on that alone and then they wagged a paycheck at her and she jumped. No critical thinking required on her part. She just drank the kool-aid.

 

[Tipstaff]

Why did ALV mention all the women's names, first and last, when she was testifying. Couldn't she have used initials or something? First names? No one else really used specific given names IIRC. I feel really badly for them.

ALV was willing to throw anybody under the bus to "save" JA. Funny when asked to identify names she testified for/against in a criminal proceeding...she sited confidentiality. And then even more interesting in relation to men she testified for in a criminal proceeding...there were none...it was a written report...but ALV couldn't recall his name.

But she tossed out names to help JA even when she could have chosen discretion.

 

[kayice]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1210/04/ijvm.01.html

And those stories that you bring up about the slashing of the tires and the e-mails, and those things were really -- they really started to take a toll on him. And really have created problems for his other relationships. And as far as the faith goes, Travis really...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Can I jump in, Taylor, and ask you one question as a follow-up?

SEARLE: ... chose to create an environment where he could follow the teachings of the church. And what ended up happening is she adopted that and kind of tried to use it against him to drive wedges between him and the other girls.

bbm

Absolutely. That one guy, Abe, ...I forget his last name, sorry. Well, Abe has Jodi's number from Day 1. He asked her who the guy was when Jodi said she wanted to dabble in Mormonism.

 

[Liebchenmutti]

MY prediction is that after JA is convicted of 1st degree (I am not sure about the DP, but what do I know?), she is going to cause such chaos that her DT, including her experts, will be in a tailspin. Everyone is going down. If ALV thinks things are bad now, just wait until JA gets done with her. As the saying goes, "She ain't seen nothing yet." She will expose ALV and Samuels for the sellouts that they are and use it to her own benefit. They used her. I don't know how much damage she can do to Nurmi and JW, but she will use whatever she can.
And really, when you really think about it, ALV and Samuels did it for themselves, not because they believe JA, and JA knows this. They used her and she has no respect for them.
And everytime I see her shed a tear, I think about that email, "You only cry for yourself."

JA's hateful facial expression during the worst of the juror questions was telling. She was seething with rage. I expect an outburst pretty soon--she's so delusional and self-absorbed that she had no idea how badly her case was going until the jury asked ALV questions that hinted they were all pro-prosecution.

Jodi is an unstable, immature, hateful, narcissistic, self-absorbed monster. She stopped being a human being the minute she planned to murder Travis. She's not going to death row quietly, IMO. I kind of expect some temper tantrums in court--especially during the verdict reading & victim impact statements. I hope the court is ready to drop her with the shock belt!