Wesley Hadsell Arrested 21-22 March 2015

[mpnola]

I wonder if her being found in another state would bring bigger legal guns?

 

[hey-Debbie]

I wonder if her being found in another state would bring bigger legal guns?

I'm sure there is some charge for transporting a body over state lines. Not sure if he would be thinking about that at that point in time. He(whoever) had bigger things to worry about.

 

[mpnola]

I'm sure there is some charge for transporting a body over state lines. Not sure if he would be thinking about that at that point in time. He(whoever) had bigger things to worry about.

Possible, but people who have a lifetime of crime behind them often think about things like that. A guy I went to high school with would only steal things under a certain amount (in his adult years), in case he got caught. It was a difference in sentencing. Of course, if Wes murdered her, he wont see the light of day no matter what state he was in. If he dumped her after a self-inflicted overdose, then I don't know how that would be different with state versus crossing state line. It is just a possibility, is all. My feeling is he was looking for someplace, saw a possibility, continued on, then decided to go take that opportunity without going too much further.

 

[hey-Debbie]

ISo I guess the only question, really, is why? Why drive right past the house, cross the border and turn around come back and drive directly into that driveway?

I think he turned around because he noticed the grass was overgrown and that there weren't houses close enough to be seen. I think he was looking for a place to put her and he needed to do it as quickly as possible and probably before he had to report to work. He didn't have a lot of drive to drive around all morning looking for the perfect place to put her. He might have been working on a job site close to that area so he could make it back to work without being too late. I still also think it was on March 3 and not the 2nd. I think that's when her phone pinged in the area where that pond was because he probably drove right by it going down 258 (LE had to triangulate that route with cell phone towers so it took a while.) LE probably searched the pond maybe because if he was out there again right before he was arrested his truck GPS probably showed it and LE wanted to check it out. "Hines said officers showed him a picture of a white commercial van and asked whether he'd seen it before. He told them saw the it drive through the area twice about a week and a half ago." This was the man that was interview when they did the pond search which I believe was actually on April 3. So if you calculate that week and a half, give or take a few days, that would have been right before he was arrested. I think she was in his work van on Monday, and I think that he was in the Norfolk area on Monday. I think she was probably in his work truck or hotel at least until the texts stopped. Then I think that Tuesday morning is when he transported her to Franklin. Of course all of this is my opinion.

There are still things that I'm not willing to rule out yet due to SM and the fact that a note was left was most likely in her handwriting.

 

[hey-Debbie]

RSBM:

>On March 10, 2015, Two days after that incident, the
victim stated the defendant had broken into her residence, abducted her, assaulted her, and
totally disassembled her cell phone. The defendant had stated that she could still be
tracked by police if the battery was not out of the cell phone device. The defendant had
forced her into his vehicle and held her against her will until he was arrested approximately
two weeks later.[/B] Exhibit B at 3.

This was from his previous wife's information that was told to LE when they called to verify that WH had previously abducted her. I find it strange that if he knew this why would he have still had her phone on when it pinged on March 3 in Carrsville near the pond? Did he just forget to turn it off? Why would he not have destroyed her phone too or at least dumped it ASAP?

>On March 11, 2015, physical and mobile surveillance was established on the defendant’s
known hotel room located at 1850 East Little Creed Road, MD International Hotel.4
Exhibit B at 3. The affidavit later states that a registry check of America’s Best Value Inn
room 129, located at 1850 E. Little Creek Road in Norfolk, Virginia showed the defendant
renting the room. Exhibit B at 4.

>On March 12, 2015, Norfolk police department surveillance units reported that the
defendant was engaging in conduct that appeared consistent with someone who was
surveillance conscious and who was attempting to detect surveillance. The affidavit
included specific descriptions of activities the defendant was observed to take in this
regard. Exhibit B at 3.

> Detective Mezo reviewed the defendant’s criminal history and identified that the defendant
had been convicted in North Carolina of two counts of Felony Restraint and two counts of
Breaking and Entering on the same incident date. The affidavit notes that Felony
Restraint is North Carolina’s equivalent of the Virginia Abduction Code. Exhibit B at
3-4.

> On March, 19, 2015, the defendant contacted the Norfolk Police Department and stated
that he received an anonymous call from an unknown number stating that they saw
clothing possibly belonging to Ms. Hadsell. The defendant advised that he went and
retrieved the clothing. The Norfolk Police Department responded to the City of
Chesapeake and recovered the property, which was later positively identified as belonging
to Ms. Hadsell. Exhibit B at 4.

Why the heck would he be running all around if he knew he was under surveillance? And if he was under surveillance the whole time, wouldn't they have followed him out there when he and the others "found" her clothes?

Also, it could be that around the time her clothes were disposed of is the same time that his work truck was spotted in Carrsville. He might have been checking out possible places to dispose of her clothes or plant them and also maybe her phone. This is when he could have gone back then with the dark colored van to check on her or even possibly leave her cell phone there. He could have easily driven from where she was found to (or from) Chesapeake where he clothes were found. It's only an hour away, and I would imagine he would want the cover of darkness.

As always just my opinion or thoughts.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

If I had to guess why WH drove past the house, and turned back around, I would guess he did that to make sure it was actually abandoned.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Last night I'm lying in bed, and for some reason I get stuck on the "white socks" that LE retrieved from WH's hotel room. They couldn't have just been a random pair of socks, or LE never would have bothered with them. So, were they a pair of AJ's socks? A pair of WH's socks that LE felt contained some forensic evidence? And if so, what the hell could that evidence be? If it were hair or fiber evidence, why bother? Any defense attorney could easily argue that was transfer evidence. If they were wet, or had mud on them...so? The only thing I can think of that would make a pair of his socks a big deal was if they had AJ's blood or vomit on them (dna ).

Little details like this drive me up the wall.

ETA: Duh. I just now realized they could have taken the socks as evidence of the B&E. In which case, hair and fiber evidence from inside CF's house would be relevant and difficult to explain. Wish I had had that AHA moment about 3 hours ago so I could have put it out of my mind and actually gone to sleep.

 

[Globalgabby]

Little details like this drive me up the wall.

ETA: Duh. I just now realized they could have taken the socks as evidence of the B&E. In which case, hair and fiber evidence from inside CF's house would be relevant and difficult to explain. Wish I had had that AHA moment about 3 hours ago so I could have put it out of my mind and actually gone to sleep.

Ummmm.... the B&E was March 6 and the hotel room search was March 20, right? Unless I am not understanding your thinking ... you might want to put it back in your mind again ... Oh, and I think I need to wake up --- I missed the "socks" - I didn't know that they were taken with the search!

 

[Globalgabby]

RSBM:
This was from his previous wife's information that was told to LE when they called to verify that WH had previously abducted her. I find it strange that if he knew this why would he have still had her phone on when it pinged on March 3 in Carrsville near the pond? Did he just forget to turn it off? Why would he not have destroyed her phone too or at least dumped it ASAP?

Why the heck would he be running all around if he knew he was under surveillance? And if he was under surveillance the whole time, wouldn't they have followed him out there when he and the others "found" her clothes?

I never thought about what the ex-wife said in relation to WH evidently NOT removing the battery in this case. That is odd.

Speaking of MK's "little details" - at least one of the court docs that Arkansasmimi posted stated that "physical and mobile surveillance" on WH's hotel room began on March 11 through March 20 (which is the day he went to the police station and the day LE searched his hotel room). To my recollection, none of the documents stated that they followed him in a car, but I guess that would be understood to be the "mobile surveillance," since they mentioned his "erratic driving." I also wondered why he would be "running all around" if he suspected he was being followed - and if he was being followed on March 19, surely they saw WH and the boys searching the side of the highway for the clothes. I can only imagine what those officers were saying to themselves - something along the lines of "I'll bet you $20.00 that he miraculously finds some of her stuff within the next ten minutes!"

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Ummmm.... the B&E was March 6 and the hotel room search was March 20, right? Unless I am not understanding your thinking ... you might want to put it back in your mind again ... Oh, and I think I need to wake up --- I missed the "socks" - I didn't know that they were taken with the search!

LOL...no no, I meant if I had realized the socks could have been taken as evidence of the B&E, I wouldn't have laid awake all night trying to figure out what they could have possibly had to do with AJ disappearance, and what kind of evidence of THAT could have been on those socks.

 

[mpnola]

I never thought about what the ex-wife said in relation to WH evidently NOT removing the battery in this case. That is odd.

snipped by me---

I would think the difference is batteries are not easily accessible anymore. When I used to drop my phone- POP- the battery and back cover and phone would be in 3 pieces. Now, the battery is all locked up inside my phone somewhere. I cant even tell you where it is. Im not saying he couldnt turn it off or disable it, but taking the battery out is not what it used to be!

 

[Happyshoes]

Last night I'm lying in bed, and for some reason I get stuck on the "white socks" that LE retrieved from WH's hotel room. They couldn't have just been a random pair of socks, or LE never would have bothered with them. So, were they a pair of AJ's socks? A pair of WH's socks that LE felt contained some forensic evidence? And if so, what the hell could that evidence be? If it were hair or fiber evidence, why bother? Any defense attorney could easily argue that was transfer evidence. If they were wet, or had mud on them...so? The only thing I can think of that would make a pair of his socks a big deal was if they had AJ's blood or vomit on them (dna ).

Little details like this drive me up the wall.

ETA: Duh. I just now realized they could have taken the socks as evidence of the B&E. In which case, hair and fiber evidence from inside CF's house would be relevant and difficult to explain. Wish I had had that AHA moment about 3 hours ago so I could have put it out of my mind and actually gone to sleep.

I had forgotten about the socks - girl, you are a good thinker. It could be any number of things or it could be nothing. Like dog hair, except those charges have been dismissed so no good there. Still, something to think about. Don't people vomit when they do too much coke or heroin? LE sure seemed adamant when they said she was in his room, her phone right next to him on the bed. I'm not trying to make a big deal out of something, just checking in and wanted to give you my thanks, too, while I'm on here.

 

[missingm]

Immediately after you cross the border (right at the border, actually but it spans into both sides of the borderline), there is a wide turnout spot on the right of the southbound lane. There's another one just down the highway to the right of the northbound lane - just opposite of Lawrence drive (which appears to be unpaved, according to google maps). It's impossible to know if the path they showed on the broadcast was the actual GPS track or simply simulated to show the viewers that he crossed the border and immediately turned around and came back. Either way, I suspect he likely used the second turnout to turn around and come back.

ADDING: I was unable to load that video again so I was just going by what I was seeing on google maps. I didn't mean to but I pretty much said the same thing you did re: turning around at the Lawrence Rd. area, lol. I just watched the video and yes, that is what it shows - so likely no stopping off anywhere.

So I guess the only question, really, is why? Why drive right past the house, cross the border and turn around come back and drive directly into that driveway?

My guess is that someone else was driving on that road or jogging / biking nearby. He didn't want to be seen pulling into the driveway of the abandoned house so he kept on driving, then circled back when he had a chance.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I had forgotten about the socks - girl, you are a good thinker. It could be any number of things or it could be nothing. Like dog hair, except those charges have been dismissed so no good there. Still, something to think about. Don't people vomit when they do too much coke or heroin? LE sure seemed adamant when they said she was in his room, her phone right next to him on the bed. I'm not trying to make a big deal out of something, just checking in and wanted to give you my thanks, too, while I'm on here.

I don't know about coke, but good heroin tends to make you vomit. Even when it's not at OD levels. Doesn't always happen, of course, but it happens often. In overdose cases, it's almost always the norm for there to be foaming at the mouth.

I also wonder whether not LE brought in a cadaver dog. I can't imagine they wouldn't, but who knows?

 

[arkansasmimi]

RSBM:

On March 11, 2015, physical and mobile surveillance was established on the defendant’s
known hotel room located at 1850 East Little Creed Road, MD International Hotel.4
Exhibit B at 3. The affidavit later states that a registry check of America’s Best Value Inn
room 129, located at 1850 E. Little Creek Road in Norfolk, Virginia showed the defendant
renting the room. Exhibit B at 4.

On March, 19, 2015, the defendant contacted the Norfolk Police Department and stated
that he received an anonymous call from an unknown number stating that they saw
clothing possibly belonging to Ms. Hadsell. The defendant advised that he went and
retrieved the clothing. The Norfolk Police Department responded to the City of
Chesapeake and recovered the property, which was later positively identified as belonging
to Ms. Hadsell. Exhibit B at 4.

This was from his previous wife's information that was told to LE when they called to verify that WH had previously abducted her. I find it strange that if he knew this why would he have still had her phone on when it pinged on March 3 in Carrsville near the pond? Did he just forget to turn it off? Why would he not have destroyed her phone too or at least dumped it ASAP?

Why the heck would he be running all around if he knew he was under surveillance? And if he was under surveillance the whole time, wouldn't they have followed him out there when he and the others "found" her clothes?

Also, it could be that around the time her clothes were disposed of is the same time that his work truck was spotted in Carrsville. He might have been checking out possible places to dispose of her clothes or plant them and also maybe her phone. This is when he could have gone back then with the dark colored van to check on her or even possibly leave her cell phone there. He could have easily driven from where she was found to (or from) Chesapeake where he clothes were found. It's only an hour away, and I would imagine he would want the cover of darkness.

As always just my opinion or thoughts.

RSBBM,
Exactly!
Just had a duh moment... Physical Surveillance(watching him in person by someone right?) Mobile Surveillance most likely would be possible tracking device on red truck ~ and his cellphone)

They were tracking WH both ways IF AJ clothing was placed there during March 11 and March 20 then they def would have a record of that.

Also very possible the cellphone surveillance has something to do with the Affidavit being sealed for the Cell phone Search Warrant. They had the actual cellphone search warrant but not the Affidavit to get it.

Read this and thought was interesting. Very possible they have more info that those that were around him know/knew about. Would make the sealing of the iPhone Affidavit make sense and keep a lot of info from being leaked. JMHO

Cellphone spying software is a type of cellphone bugging, tracking, and monitoring software that is surreptitiously installed on mobile phones. This software can enable conversations to be heard and recorded from phones upon which it is installed.[6] Cellphone spying software can be downloaded onto cellphones.[7] Cellphone spying software enables the monitoring or stalking of a target cellphone from a remote location with some of the following techniques:[8]

Allowing remote observation of the target cellphone position in real-time on a map
Remotely enabling microphones to capture and forward conversations. Microphones can be activated during a call or when the phone is on standby for capturing conversations near the cellphone.
Receiving remote alerts and/or text messages each time somebody dials a number on the cellphone
Remotely reading text messages and call logs
Cellphone spying software can enable microphones on mobile phones when phones are not being used, and can be installed by mobile providers.[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellphone_surveillance

StingRay devices are used by law enforcement agencies to track people's movements, and intercept and record conversations, names, phone numbers and text messages from mobile phones.[1] Their use entails the monitoring and collection of data from all mobile phones within a target area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellphone_surveillance

The suitcase-size tracking systems, which can cost as much as $400,000, allow the police to pinpoint a phone’s location within a few yards by posing as a cell tower. In the process, they can intercept information from the phones of nearly everyone else who happens to be nearby, including innocent bystanders. They do not intercept the content of any communications.

Dozens of police departments from Miami to Los Angeles own similar devices. A USA TODAY Media Network investigation identified more than 35 of them in 2013 and 2014, and the American Civil Liberties Union has found 18 more. When and how the police have used those devices is mostly a mystery, in part because the FBI swore them to secrecy. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/08/23/baltimore-police-stingray-cell-surveillance/31994181/

 

[arkansasmimi]

Also, IF WH threw those clothing items of AJ's out while still driving his work van that should also be on his work van GPS. JMHO

 

[Mollyandme]

Nn

I had forgotten about the socks - girl, you are a good thinker. It could be any number of things or it could be nothing. Like dog hair, except those charges have been dismissed so no good there. Still, something to think about. Don't people vomit when they do too much coke or heroin? LE sure seemed adamant when they said she was in his room, her phone right next to him on the bed. I'm not trying to make a big deal out of something, just checking in and wanted to give you my thanks, too, while I'm on here.

In regards to the vomit, I can only speak from personal experience but after getting my appendix out this summer I could not take any opiate pain meds in the hospital bc they all made me vomit. I was told this is fairly common. I would imagine heroin could have the same effect on some people, especially those with little to no tolerance.

 

[hey-Debbie]

Also, IF WH threw those clothing items of AJ's out while still driving his work van that should also be on his work van GPS. JMHO

Yes but not if he was driving a borrowed vehicle like maybe a dark colored caravan. He might have also been able to avoid survalence as well this way.


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[hey-Debbie]

RSBBM,
Exactly!
Just had a duh moment... Physical Surveillance(watching him in person by someone right?) Mobile Surveillance most likely would be possible tracking device on red truck ~ and his cellphone)

They were tracking WH both ways IF AJ clothing was placed there during March 11 and March 20 then they def would have a record of that.

Also very possible the cellphone surveillance has something to do with the Affidavit being sealed for the Cell phone Search Warrant. They had the actual cellphone search warrant but not the Affidavit to get it.

Read this and thought was interesting. Very possible they have more info that those that were around him know/knew about. Would make the sealing of the iPhone Affidavit make sense and keep a lot of info from being leaked. JMHO

I dont think they're talking about mobile phones per se I think they're talking more like this, https://business.verizonwireless.co...logy/mobile-security/mobile-surveillance.html


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk but they might be . I would think it would be specific as to say mobile phone device. This article has good info cell phone tracking https://business.verizonwireless.co...logy/mobile-security/mobile-surveillance.html

Also there are instances I guess where warrants arent need to get certain cell phone dvice info.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Yes but not if he was driving a borrowed vehicle like maybe a dark colored caravan. He might have also been able to avoid survalence as well this way.


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Wasn't there a point shortly after AJ went missing when Wes was no longer working? I seem to recall that information coming from his boss. If that's the case, perhaps he no longer had access to the QP van when he dumped her clothes.