What small foreign faction?

[Plenum7]

Thanks for those additional insights holdontoyourhat. Very interesting. That is exactly the sort of help I was hoping for when I posted this thread. The RN, of course, consists of two types of evidence - the content, and the handwriting. It may be, as you suggest, that both components could conceivably point to a Korean element. So I will explore further. I think it is worth exploring further. Especially if, as you say, a Korean element might fit the handwriting evidence. I would like to know much more about the paintbriush evidence in that case too. I do know that parts of the brush have not been recovered from the crime scene - an odd fact. But how clean was the break? How carefully was the word 'Korea' left intact? And then other questions - such as the style of knots used. Thanks for adding to this lead. - regards Plenum7

 

[Plenum7]

Following this line of inquiry, we would then give more attention to the apparently political content in the RN, such as "we respect your business but not the government it serves" and the stuff about "fat cats". In part, the RN wants to suggest *political* motives behind this "foreign faction". And so, in turn, "Victory" may carry a political connotation. As I say, if this note had been written in a Cold War context we would read such elements in the note as Cuban, perhaps. But in 1996 that can be ruled out.

In 1996, though, left-wing political turmoil is rife in Korea. In fact, on the Korean Trade Unions had called for a general strike on DECEMBER 26th 1996 - the biggest strike in Korean history! And if you read *any* literature on the background to that strike you will find that the policies known as "Skills Based Technological Change" (routinely abbreviated to SBTC) were instrumental in creating that massive industrial unrest. So the word "Victory!" might then have a unionist/industrial connotation in the context of a massive strike protesting the social impact of technological change.

Just a thought. Since we are looking to possible Korean connections it might surely be significant that the biggest strike in Korean history was called for DECEMBER 26th 1996. Interesting, anyway.

Plenum7

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Thanks for those additional insights holdontoyourhat. Very interesting. That is exactly the sort of help I was hoping for when I posted this thread. The RN, of course, consists of two types of evidence - the content, and the handwriting. It may be, as you suggest, that both components could conceivably point to a Korean element. So I will explore further. I think it is worth exploring further. Especially if, as you say, a Korean element might fit the handwriting evidence. I would like to know much more about the paintbriush evidence in that case too. I do know that parts of the brush have not been recovered from the crime scene - an odd fact. But how clean was the break? How carefully was the word 'Korea' left intact? And then other questions - such as the style of knots used. Thanks for adding to this lead. - regards Plenum7

Following this line of inquiry, we would then give more attention to the apparently political content in the RN, such as "we respect your business but not the government it serves" and the stuff about "fat cats". In part, the RN wants to suggest *political* motives behind this "foreign faction". And so, in turn, "Victory" may carry a political connotation. As I say, if this note had been written in a Cold War context we would read such elements in the note as Cuban, perhaps. But in 1996 that can be ruled out.

In 1996, though, left-wing political turmoil is rife in Korea. In fact, on the Korean Trade Unions had called for a general strike on DECEMBER 26th 1996 - the biggest strike in Korean history! And if you read *any* literature on the background to that strike you will find that the policies known as "Skills Based Technological Change" (routinely abbreviated to SBTC) were instrumental in creating that massive industrial unrest. So the word "Victory!" might then have a unionist/industrial connotation in the context of a massive strike protesting the social impact of technological change.

Just a thought. Since we are looking to possible Korean connections it might surely be significant that the biggest strike in Korean history was called for DECEMBER 26th 1996. Interesting, anyway.

Plenum7

Thats interesting, the Korean news from 1996.

Also, December 25, 1996 was the 5th anniversary of the fall of the Soviet Union, and an FBI profiler Clint VanZandt uses the word 'revolutionary' and 'hark back to foreign powers' when describing some of the ransom note content.

Cold war leftist socialist revolutionaries can be Korean also, not just Cuban or Russian. This certainly has more ring to it than the middle east.

Taking a close zoomed in look at the letter 'f' in 'follow our instructions' and to me it looks like an oriental penmanship not American.

 

[CathyR]

It was always all about appearances.

............While dishes are laying everywhere, kitchen countertops are filthy first thing in the morning, clothes tossed all over the floor.

Welcome to my home. I don't always do all the dishes before going to bed. In fact last night I just rinsed stuff off and put in sink. Too tired and fighting off a cold to care.

If you had the income to have a housekeeper you may slack up the stuff you used to do.

I have known some wealthy women who grew up with housekeepers and they don't even know how to clean, let alone what product to use where. They would rather get their hair dyed green before cleaning anything.

 

[MurriFlower]

Following this line of inquiry, we would then give more attention to the apparently political content in the RN, such as "we respect your business but not the government it serves" and the stuff about "fat cats". In part, the RN wants to suggest *political* motives behind this "foreign faction". And so, in turn, "Victory" may carry a political connotation. As I say, if this note had been written in a Cold War context we would read such elements in the note as Cuban, perhaps. But in 1996 that can be ruled out.

In 1996, though, left-wing political turmoil is rife in Korea. In fact, on the Korean Trade Unions had called for a general strike on DECEMBER 26th 1996 - the biggest strike in Korean history! And if you read *any* literature on the background to that strike you will find that the policies known as "Skills Based Technological Change" (routinely abbreviated to SBTC) were instrumental in creating that massive industrial unrest. So the word "Victory!" might then have a unionist/industrial connotation in the context of a massive strike protesting the social impact of technological change.

Just a thought. Since we are looking to possible Korean connections it might surely be significant that the biggest strike in Korean history was called for DECEMBER 26th 1996. Interesting, anyway.

Plenum7

I think it says "the country it serves", there is no mention of the government. In fact, I have suggested that the RN may have been dictated and this word was mis-heard and may have been '"company", meaning not AG, but Lockheed Martin.

One thing that struck me recently is the way they identify themselves.

"We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction".

I think this is very interesting in that they do not say 'we are members of a small foreign faction'. It's as if they are 'agents' or mercenaries?? If we take it literally, it could mean that they have no relationship to each other or to the SFF (a group of individuals) and we have undertaken the business (to repesent) this SFF. So when people say, no SFF would refer to themselves as 'small' this ignores the fact that they are almost talking in the third party, THEY are a SFF, WE are a group of individuals.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I think it says "the country it serves", there is no mention of the government. In fact, I have suggested that the RN may have been dictated and this word was mis-heard and may have been '"company", meaning not AG, but Lockheed Martin.

One thing that struck me recently is the way they identify themselves.

"We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction".

I think this is very interesting in that they do not say 'we are members of a small foreign faction'. It's as if they are 'agents' or mercenaries?? If we take it literally, it could mean that they have no relationship to each other or to the SFF (a group of individuals) and we have undertaken the business (to repesent) this SFF. So when people say, no SFF would refer to themselves as 'small' this ignores the fact that they are almost talking in the third party, THEY are a SFF, WE are a group of individuals.

Oft-stated "no foreigners would refer to themselves as foreign" also ignores the fact they are talking in the third party. They represent a foreign faction.

Maybe it was sufficient for them to say 'hey, this is by foreign hand and has to do with your country, not your business'.

 

[Tadpole12]

Now I'm just spitballing? here,
maybe the bowl containing the pineapple was also made in Korea?

 

[Plenum7]

I would like to know more about John Ramsey's business connections. He sold AG to Lockheed Martin, correct? In the second half of 1996 Lockheed Martin became involved in a protracted and bitter legal battle with Korean industrial interests in which Lockheed were accused of supplying a system of sexual favors to get their way in Korea. The case wasn't settled until years later and the details are undisclosed.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I would like to know more about John Ramsey's business connections. He sold AG to Lockheed Martin, correct? In the second half of 1996 Lockheed Martin became involved in a protracted and bitter legal battle with Korean industrial interests in which Lockheed were accused of supplying a system of sexual favors to get their way in Korea. The case wasn't settled until years later and the details are undisclosed.

No way...

Got any sources for this?

 

[MurriFlower]

Oft-stated "no foreigners would refer to themselves as foreign" also ignores the fact they are talking in the third party. They represent a foreign faction.

Or American born, but now supporting some Foreign Faction? Perhaps first generation American or with one foreign born parent?

Maybe it was sufficient for them to say 'hey, this is by foreign hand and has to do with your country, not your business'.

Or as I said, "we respect your bussiness (Access Graphics), but not the company it serves" (Lockheed Martin)??

Wouldn't you think that even if they meant "country", that would be a funny thing to say about someones business?? What businesses serve their country? Most businesses are there for their owners/shareholders. This is what makes me think the RN refers to something happening overseas concerning Lockheed Martin or one of it's "subsidiaries"

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Or American born, but now supporting some Foreign Faction? Perhaps first generation American or with one foreign born parent?



Or as I said, "we respect your bussiness (Access Graphics), but not the company it serves" (Lockheed Martin)??

Wouldn't you think that even if they meant "country", that would be a funny thing to say about someones business?? What businesses serve their country? Most businesses are there for their owners/shareholders. This is what makes me think the RN refers to something happening overseas concerning Lockheed Martin or one of it's "subsidiaries"

What businesses serve their country?

Thats probably the million dollar question, and you asked it. It so happens that in socialism, businesses serve their country.

To answer your question: Socialist businesses serve their country. Not their owners or shareholders.

 

[MurriFlower]

What businesses serve their country?

Thats probably the million dollar question, and you asked it. It so happens that in socialism, businesses serve their country.

To answer your question: Socialist businesses serve their country. Not their owners or shareholders.

So would killing the child of a US business owner have any influence on the politics of the US?

Or does it make more sense to you that killing the child of an employee of Lockheed Martin would influence how that company and it's subsidiaries behaves overseas? "We can get torture and kill your children right in your own home, just as you are providing the means (weapons/soldiers) for torturing and killing our children in our homeland".

 

[Tadpole12]

Or American born, but now supporting some Foreign Faction? Perhaps first generation American or with one foreign born parent?



Or as I said, "we respect your bussiness (Access Graphics), but not the company it serves" (Lockheed Martin)??

Wouldn't you think that even if they meant "country", that would be a funny thing to say about someones business?? What businesses serve their country? Most businesses are there for their owners/shareholders. This is what makes me think the RN refers to something happening overseas concerning Lockheed Martin or one of it's "subsidiaries"

Hiya MF

yes .... an intercultural, Korean-American IDI, would feel foreign or atleast tugged by the duality of cultures.



The remnants of 'oriental penmanship not American' -hotyh,

http://www.google.ca/images?um=1&hl...oAQ&q=korean+writing&spell=1&biw=1131&bih=662




Perhaps IDI wise, so many hours invested doing practice sheets in learning Korean as a child, the residual effect would surface under stress, if bilingual.



For sure, the rn reads better, in a standard nondescript American accent
rather than an ESL Korean accent
http://www.paaljapan.org/resources/proceedings/PAAL9/pdf/OhKwanY.pdf


IDI as intercultural Korean American individual makes sense.



Even though Korea is pretty far away from France,
consider the French influences pre Korean War.

 

[MurriFlower]

Hiya MF

yes .... an intercultural, Korean-American IDI, would feel foreign or atleast tugged by the duality of cultures.



The remnants of 'oriental penmanship not American' -hotyh,

http://www.google.ca/images?um=1&hl...oAQ&q=korean+writing&spell=1&biw=1131&bih=662




Perhaps IDI wise, so many hours invested doing practice sheets in learning Korean as a child, the residual effect would surface under stress, if bilingual.



For sure, the rn reads better, in a standard nondescript American accent
rather than an ESL Korean accent
http://www.paaljapan.org/resources/proceedings/PAAL9/pdf/OhKwanY.pdf


IDI as intercultural Korean American individual makes sense.



Even though Korea is pretty far away from France,
consider the French influences pre Korean War.

There are French influences in many countries. What makes you think it was French, other than the word attache?

 

[Tadpole12]

There are French influences in many countries. What makes you think it was French, other than the word attache?

Just that MF,
attache, minus the accent aigu, has it's french roots.

 

[DeeDee249]

Yep- those wild and crazy Koreans.

 

[MurriFlower]

Just that MF,
attache, minus the accent aigu, has it's french roots.

at·ta·ché
   /ætæˈʃeɪ, ˌætə- or, especially Brit., əˈtæʃeɪ/ Show Spelled[a-ta-shey, at-uh- or, especially Brit., uh-tash-ey] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a diplomatic official attached to an embassy or legation, esp. in a technical capacity: a commercial attaché; a cultural attaché.
2.
a military officer who is assigned to a diplomatic post in a foreign country in order to gather military information: an air attaché; an army attaché; a naval attaché.
3.
Also, at·ta·che . attaché case.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

So would killing the child of a US business owner have any influence on the politics of the US?

Or does it make more sense to you that killing the child of an employee of Lockheed Martin would influence how that company and it's subsidiaries behaves overseas? "We can get torture and kill your children right in your own home, just as you are providing the means (weapons/soldiers) for torturing and killing our children in our homeland".

Neither make sense unless people know that was the intent. Maybe the ransom note author thought he'd provided enough to have an effect on something. If it was an attempt along those lines then it failed, unless there is a latent effect.

I think child murder under any circumstance has to be psychopathic, and so I'd be looking for a crazy Korean socialist. Know of any?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Yep- those wild and crazy Koreans.

You're not kidding:

18-Sep-1996: North Korean Submarine Lands Near Gangneung Sparking Deadly 49-Day Manhunt

A 49-day long manhunt ensued, from 18 September through 5 November, resulting in the capture or elimination of all the crew and members of the reconnaissance team, let one, who is believed to have made it back to North Korea. 16 South Korean soldiers and civilians died and 27 were wounded. Of the 26 North Korean infiltrators, 1 was captured, 11 were murdered by the other members or died from a murder-suicide, 13 were killed in firefights with the ROK Army, and 1 reportedly escaped back to North Korea.
The submarine was salvaged and towed to a naval base for investigation. One captured crewmember, the submarine's helmsmen, Lee Kwang Soo, gave in after much interrogation and revealed much of the plans. He later became an instructor in the South Korean Navy.
North Korea was at first reluctant at taking responsibility and claimed that the submarine had suffered an engine failure and had drifted aground, but issued an official apology on December 29. The following day, the remains of the infiltrators were returned to North Korea.

http://timelines.com/1996/9/18/nort...near-gangneung-sparking-deadly-49-day-manhunt



The [North Korean] famine was at its peak in mid 1996 to late 1997, much of the destruction occurred in this year.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine[/ame]

 

[Plenum7]

Holdontoyourhat,

The case is:

KOREA SUPPLY COMPANY v. LOCKHEED MARTIN CORPORATION

KOREA SUPPLY COMPANY, Plaintiff and Appellant, v. LOCKHEED MARTIN CORPORATION et al., Defendants and Respondents. No. B136410.

There was bribery involved. If you dig into it you find the stuff about a system of sexual favors operating. "...did knowingly and intentionally induce the Republic of Korea, through its authorized agencies, to award the SAR contract to Loral instead of MacDonald Dettwiller by employing wrongful means including bribes and sexual favors..." Etc.