Where was she putting Caylee!!!!???

[Capri]

Does anyone know if there is an inside trunk lock on KC's model car?

 

[armywife210]

This is a good speculation. If Casey had made it a habit to leave Caylee in the vacant apartment, a pedophile may have taken notice and either abducted Caylee or harmed her there. This would explain a few things, such as Casey returning to Sawgrass with LE and pointinng out the vacant apartment; Casey panicking, knowing it was her fault that something happened to Caylee while alone in the apartment;, Casey being unwilling to tell her mom, or anyone else, why she had left her child unattended, and trying on her own to find out who either took or killed her child.

But, I guess the decomposition odor in the car doesn't tie in with this theory.

it does if she found her dead in the apartment. KC didn't just leave here there or we would have no missing Caylee. She would have had to transport her somewhere.

 

[gitana1]

Quote: "I'm sure Caylee just went home that one night and Cindy just forgot. Or maybe Casey didn't tell her and just got up early and went to meet Caylee in the morning and Cindy didn't even notice."
I agree. Nothing so sinister or nefarious (you all have lively imaginations though lol) Probably CA didn't have to call and specifically TELL Casey she expected Caylee to sleep at home in her bed--Casey just KNEW her mom would be PO'd if she woke up--and saw no Caylee. I think she invented Zanny the nanny earlier before Caylee was missing to account for those times she slept over at guys' places w Caylee and didn't want CA to know she had Caylee in some guy's bed (like w Ricardo et al).

Yes. I don't think there's a need to make this case any more complicated than it already is. She took Caylee with her to boyfriend's houses in the last months of her life and CA is either lying about not calling up KC because she doesn't want to make it seem that she thought Kc was a bad mom, or she doesn't remember (she could not remember many things during the interview), or KC did not want more screaming from her mom about Caylee not being home in her own bed. No trunk, no repeated drugging, none of that, IMHO!

 

[armywife210]

Yes. I don't think there's a need to make this case any more complicated than it already is. She took Caylee with her to boyfriend's houses in the last months of her life and CA is either lying about not calling up KC because she doesn't want to make it seem that she thought Kc was a bad mom, or she doesn't remember (she could not remember many things during the interview), or KC did not want more screaming from her mom about Caylee not being home in her own bed. No trunk, no repeated drugging, none of that, IMHO!

But Caylees DNA is in the trunk, as well as evidence of decomposition. I have read that there is evidence that both a LIVE Caylee and a deceased Caylee were were in that trunk.
ETA: I surely don't think it happened much though. One time in that trunk in the hot florida weather... that's all it would take IMO. I don't know what I think happened.... I hope she didn't suffer. But I'm just sayin'.

 

[gitana1]

But Caylees DNA is in the trunk, as well as evidence of decomposition. I have read that there is evidence that both a LIVE Caylee and a deceased Caylee were were in that trunk.
ETA: I surely don't think it happened much though. One time in that trunk in the hot florida weather... that's all it would take IMO. I don't know what I think happened.... I hope she didn't suffer. But I'm just sayin'.

It's news to me that a evidence of a live Caylee was in the trunk. I do know that her body was in the trunk, however. I really, really think this was a planned killing.

 

[EgyptNug]

the car was nosed into the area very close to the dumpster at AmScot where the tow driver had said he thought it was odd.

I thought I read that the car had been backed into the spot?

 

[EgyptNug]

didnt think about the florida heat...but kc was leaving caylee somewhere.... AHA!just had a thought while typing this.
any chance she kept running out of petrol from having the air con running in her car to keep it cooler for caylee?

I was thinking the same thing. (This is my second post here, I've been lurking for a little while.)

Sometimes Casey was missing during the day over the years. I live in Fl and there's no way you can leave a kid in a car with the sun shining on it (? covered parking?). kidsandcars.org says this:

"The city's temperature was 92 degrees by 10 a.m. Sunday, climbing to 96 degrees an hour later, according to the National Weather Service in Tucson.
At those temperatures it would take about 20 minutes for the heat in a car to rise to 125 degrees. Within 40 minutes, the temperature inside the car can get as hot as 150 degrees, said Dr. Andreas Theodorou, a pediatric intensive care physician at two Tucson hospitals. "

It's routinely 92 during the day here. So IF Caylee was left in the car after sunrise, either the windows would be down OR she'd need the a/c running, imo.

Now the problem with the windows down is that anyone could look in or hear her crying. I think if Caylee WAS kept in the trunk drugged, then the little space between the trunk and the car might have been left open. (the trunk was very little in the pics someone posted of their same model car?) Plus would she risk putting a kid in a trunk all the time? Someone could see her and there's no explanation for that. So I'm wondering if she could have drugged her (I believe the zani=zanax theory), had her lay down in that area between the trunk and car (maybe said that was her nap space?) and then left the A/C running. Gas cans were in case the gas ran out before she got back. Wait, no, the flaw in that is the price of gas.. I wonder how much gas 8 hours of idle with a/c running uses?

 

[EgyptNug]

I think she left her there at night time. No maintenance, no one showing the model apartment. Also, I think I remember from some video clip of the model apartment on the news, that it was furnished. Voila.....a home away from home.

DavidK (the Sawgrass Resident http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71537 )said "I live in Sawgrass. I can just about all but assure apartment 218 is currently vacant. 218 is in the building next (east) of ZFG's supposed 210."

So maybe that one.. ?

BUT he also says that in his year of living there, with a visual (I believe) of those apartments, never once did he see Casey. If she was going in and out, with Caylee, I think he would have seen them... For this reason, I don't think Caylee was taking Casey to Sawgrass (neither for nanny nor for empty place).

 

[EgyptNug]

I don't think she was using the apt at Sawgrass because it was too visible, BUT I think you're onto something that could also answer the question that's been driving me insane, which is WHERE HAS KC BEEN SPENDING HER DAYS FOR THE LAST 24 - 30 MONTHS when she was allegedly working and/or leaving Caylee with a sitter?

There's no way she's been sitting in her parked car in some parking lot for 2 years, baking in the heat, reading a book, with an active toddler in the back seat. That would be hell, especially for someone like KC who can't even tolerate the inconvenience of having a job.

Besides that, her car with that black vinyl/leather br@ on the front of it, would be noticed eventually. And she hasn't spent 2 years wandering the malls every day with a baby, or clerks would have come forward.

So how is it that she's managed to leave home with or without Caylee for 2 years and simply vanish?

I think YOU hit on the answer. She's found a secluded house, mobile home, or even a camper in the woods that she could break into--or perhaps convince an absentee owner to let her "take care of"--or a gullible male realtor to let her use.

What do you think? Oh and sorry for the caps. I was excited. :clap:

What do you think she would be doing all day long? I don't find the theory that she was working as an exotic dancer to be impossible. Then again, she could probably afford to support Caylee on her own if that was the case..

What did she do during the days she was at "work", this question is bothering me a lot..

 

[CaptLogic]

It's news to me that a evidence of a live Caylee was in the trunk. I do know that her body was in the trunk, however. I really, really think this was a planned killing.

Vomit indicates being alive. Decomp indicates death. Dead people don't vomit. And not likely that dead people drool or leak fluid from their nose unless placed face down and even then I'm not sure anything would come out. Do you think she put her in the trunk face down?

They FBI found DNA from the fluid of the mouth and nose in the trunk that matches Caylee. Most likely, this is from vomit. If drugged and uncon during vomit, you would most likely die.

It's also possible Cayle drowned, died and was put in the trunk. It would explain fluids and chloroform from the pool reaction.

But I think she was drugged. One of the videos state they're very close to proving she was searching for Chloroform before the 15th.

 

[txsvicki]

Didn't Casey supposedly only work 4 hours per day then bring Caylee home to her parents once one of them was back home from work? I thought that was said early on. Since Casey is a thief, she could have had keys to various guys' homes and been going to their places some during the day.

 

[Lake Erie Princess]

Based on the recent evidence, here is my best theory.

There is no third party nanny. Caylee was only ever watched by Casey, or Cindy.

Casey was using her trunk as a babysitter, possibly using Zanax. When should couldn't get any Zanax (no money maybe), she looked up Chloroform on the computer. Probably the week after her Mother ended her vacation and she had to go back watching Caylee. By this time, Casey was with Tony and wanted to continue going to the club and managing the shot girls.

So, Caylee was drugged and put in the trunk. I believe that due to the change to Chloroform after maybe having previous used Xanax, or that casey didn't know how much probably made the child vomit while unconscious and she died from asphyxiation.

The stain was from vomit. They now know how she was laying in the trunk.

and IMO, I feel that poor baby was dead in that trunk until the day she abandoned her car.

and, u know what ? i feel like throwing up when I think of that innocent angel perhaps in a trunk, overly hot, scared, and then how on earth could Casey move her ? I would flip out, totally flip out !

 

[FIND'HER]

This is what I think, she may have been taking her to the empty apt at sawgrass. She could have easily gotton a key. She someone got info about the zanny being there. She left her in the apt. Someone heard caylee or saw casey take her in that empty apartment and after casey left out they entered and tooked little caylee. My worst thought would be a child molestor.

 

[Pink Panther]

I think that there are two distinct questions here that will need to be answered as follows:

1. Where/What were Casey and Caylee doing during the day throughout the 18-24 month period that Casey was supposedly working?

2. Where did Casey leave Caylee on the nights that we think she wasn't sleeping at home (the A's) or with Casey?

The answer as to where she was during the day is probably quite varied and probably merits its own thread...

Regarding where she may have been putting her at night - do we know just how many nights we might be talking about? I don't think that there were too many. Casey's nightime behavior seems to have become more erratic and unaccountable from the end of May until probably mid-June. I believe that until the end of May, Caylee was probably sleeping at home a the A's most nights. As we know, there was probably an argument(s)/ultimatum toward the end of May/Early June. So where was Caylee sleeping at night during that period is probably what needs to be answered. Some of those nights have been accounted for - she was either at the A's or with Casey at RM's. So, what are the nights that we know she was at neither home?

May 31rst - Is it possible that Casey pretended to go to sleep with Caylee at home? She closed the door and waited until her parents went to sleep? Or that she told them that she and Caylee would be coming home late? AND that is why she took Caylee home in the middle of the night. So that CA would not freak out in the morning? Is that perhaps why, to CA didn't think anything had happened that night? (Don't forget, the issue hadn't escalated yet - the BIG fight hadn't yet occured and KC was still keeping things "under control".)

I haven't looked at the calendar in detail yet but it sounds like the first week of June, Casey was at the A's and/or at Rm's right up until the 10th. The nights that seem to be unaccounted for really seem to be from June 10th to the 15th (if we believe that Caylee died on the 16th). That's 6 nights. Those are the nights that really need to be looked at. Could she have been drugging her and putting her to sleep those nights? It's much more plausible for her to have found a temporary solution for 6 nights than to imagine that this had been going on for much longer.

Just thinking out loud...

 

[Pink Panther]

Sorry - just wanted to expand a bit on the post above...So, if we're talking about 6 nights...Here are some of the options that we've looked at (and a couple of others):

1. In the car. Either on the floorboard of the backseat area - covered perhaps with a blanket or in the trunk. Parked in a remote/un-trafficked area. Does anyone know if with that car model the back seats can be lowered to created a "hatchback" type effect? If so, she could have been lowering the seats, positioning Caylee in the trunk area while still allowing air circulation to the trunk.

2. In an abandoned/empty appartment. The empty suite that ZG supposedly lived in or the model suite - both at the Sawgrass.

3. At the oveido house. Less convenient as KC would have had to have driven Caylee out there and then gotten back to wherever she was going but still, perhaps possible for a night or two.

She may well have found a couple of different solutions rather than only one.

Again...Just thinking out loud here.

 

[RasGirl26]

This is jmo but I dont think she was making money period because if she was an exotic dancer or an escort she would have been rolling in dough. We all know she wasnt because she was stealing every penny she had. Further she was always with someone and when she was with one guy she was telling another one she was working. I personally think KC isnt one to put forth too much effort Caylee was left in the car and put to sleep with xanex, thus, the comment that she was with zanny that night and caylee wouldnt go to sleep... in other words it wasnt working and caylee wouldnt fall asleep as planned. After time people get a tolerence to drugs and they have to take more, the more she used it the more she had to up the dose and if it wasnt working fast enough she would give her even more. I believe this is what ultimately lead to Caylees untimely death. Casey wasnt taking her anywhere special she was putting her to sleep and then putting her in the trunk with moma and a blanket. To me this is what happened. But its JMO

 

[Faenorwyn]

I'm trying to wrap my head around all the new evidence, so please bear with me. I haven't seen this posted yet with regards to the new docs so...

Okay so we know that Ricardo states that on May 31st, Casey and Caylee sleepover at his apartment. He wakes up the next morning and Casey is there but NO Caylee. Casey tells him that Cindy called in the middle of the night wanting her to bring Caylee home. Sounded believable to me - knowing how protective Cindy seems to be over Caylee.

BUT today in Cindy's recorded interview, she states that this never occurred. She seems quite sure of this. And it does seem like something you would proabably remember - calling your daughter in the middle of the night to bring your granddaughter home. For this reason, I believe her.

Which leaves one to wonder.....where WAS Caylee then? So here on this thread I've seen alot of speculation about where she could have been taking Caylee....or putting Caylee....or whether any of it is true to begin with, or whether Cindy is lying. I have my own theory which doesn't fit into any of the above. I can hardly bring myself to think this, much less type it out. But I think you'll get the idea.

The thought first entered my mind after hearing Cindy's interview. But after seeing what types of searches have been done on Casey's computer (sex, escorts, etc.) as well as something PotatoHead posted in another thread (sorry I can't reference it specifically because my brain is fried)........I believe that Casey could have been passing Caylee off to someone else. I don't want to get too detailed or whatever....but someone, a very, very bad bad bad man. Someone who would do unspeakable things to Caylee, and perhaps Casey was paid for this? Could this explain where Caylee is now, and why Casey will not tell? Becuase if she tells where Caylee is.....she goes to jail period (if what I am thinking is true). BUT if she doesn't tell where Caylee is, then perhaps she could get found not guilty if there isn't evidence. I'm just thinking out loud here. That is assuming Caylee could still be alive. Okay so maybe she actually isn't alive....(which I believe she is NOT alive). In that case, maybe something horrible happened on one of these "exchanges", possibly involving chloroform that someone else used to knock Caylee out for their own reasons (you get my meaning?).

I hope I haven't just totally confused anyone. I'm confused myself. It's 5am here - my mind is reeling with all the information I've read through/watched. And there are still so many pieces of the puzzle missing. Please let me know your thoughts on this - punch holes in my theory if you can (please do, I don't want to be right!!!).

 

[RasGirl26]

I'm trying to wrap my head around all the new evidence, so please bear with me. I haven't seen this posted yet with regards to the new docs so...

Okay so we know that Ricardo states that on May 31st, Casey and Caylee sleepover at his apartment. He wakes up the next morning and Casey is there but NO Caylee. Casey tells him that Cindy called in the middle of the night wanting her to bring Caylee home. Sounded believable to me - knowing how protective Cindy seems to be over Caylee.

BUT today in Cindy's recorded interview, she states that this never occurred. She seems quite sure of this. And it does seem like something you would proabably remember - calling your daughter in the middle of the night to bring your granddaughter home. For this reason, I believe her.

Which leaves one to wonder.....where WAS Caylee then? So here on this thread I've seen alot of speculation about where she could have been taking Caylee....or putting Caylee....or whether any of it is true to begin with, or whether Cindy is lying. I have my own theory which doesn't fit into any of the above. I can hardly bring myself to think this, much less type it out. But I think you'll get the idea.

The thought first entered my mind after hearing Cindy's interview. But after seeing what types of searches have been done on Casey's computer (sex, escorts, etc.) as well as something PotatoHead posted in another thread (sorry I can't reference it specifically because my brain is fried)........I believe that Casey could have been passing Caylee off to someone else. I don't want to get too detailed or whatever....but someone, a very, very bad bad bad man. Someone who would do unspeakable things to Caylee, and perhaps Casey was paid for this? Could this explain where Caylee is now, and why Casey will not tell? Becuase if she tells where Caylee is.....she goes to jail period (if what I am thinking is true). BUT if she doesn't tell where Caylee is, then perhaps she could get found not guilty if there isn't evidence. I'm just thinking out loud here. That is assuming Caylee could still be alive. Okay so maybe she actually isn't alive....(which I believe she is NOT alive). In that case, maybe something horrible happened on one of these "exchanges", possibly involving chloroform that someone else used to knock Caylee out for their own reasons (you get my meaning?).

I hope I haven't just totally confused anyone. I'm confused myself. It's 5am here - my mind is reeling with all the information I've read through/watched. And there are still so many pieces of the puzzle missing. Please let me know your thoughts on this - punch holes in my theory if you can (please do, I don't want to be right!!!).

I think she just moved Caylee to the car as she typically left Caylee in the car to sleep while she went out. Thus, having to leave for work before 8am, Caylee would be waking up and she had to get home. jmo

 

[Zoe Bogart]

And doesn't it seem odd to anyone else that amy and ricardo are now a thing....I dont know about them but isnt that taboo dating someone a friend has dated....I dont know maybe im wrong but something is def off with amy's interview and tony's something just seems to much to point at casey....maybe im dumb....

Casey....a friend? A lying thieving friend? I don't think Amy has any obligation to their former friendship.

Tony points at Casey? Wasn't she lying to him while they were dating, when Caylee was missing and Casey didn't bother to mention it? I don't see how the friends can be at fault here.

 

[BeanE]

Sorry - just wanted to expand a bit on the post above...So, if we're talking about 6 nights...Here are some of the options that we've looked at (and a couple of others):

1. In the car. Either on the floorboard of the backseat area - covered perhaps with a blanket or in the trunk. Parked in a remote/un-trafficked area. Does anyone know if with that car model the back seats can be lowered to created a "hatchback" type effect? If so, she could have been lowering the seats, positioning Caylee in the trunk area while still allowing air circulation to the trunk.

2. In an abandoned/empty appartment. The empty suite that ZG supposedly lived in or the model suite - both at the Sawgrass.

3. At the oveido house. Less convenient as KC would have had to have driven Caylee out there and then gotten back to wherever she was going but still, perhaps possible for a night or two.

She may well have found a couple of different solutions rather than only one.

Again...Just thinking out loud here.

There's also abandoned military housing in the area. LE conducted some body searches near this housing.

I don't know exactly where the housing is since I'm not local.