You know, before this conversation I never gave much thought to JAR, but I do find it very odd many of his items were discarded (and others Patsy claimed she couldn't recognize in pictures)
Since her murder....I always considered JAR a major factor in her life even back when I straddled the fence and would lean more towards IDI....even to the point IF it was IDI, the dots would somehow connect back to him. I am now firmly entrenched in RDI and I don't care if JAR was spotted on Mars the night of the 25th/26th, the crime scene points to people in the house(even IF an intruder(s)) focusing on his area of the house, and items from his room wound up down there. You also pointed out how when Patsy is being asked questions about JAR's area of the house, she does not handle the exchange very well. They should have kept on her. There are strange items in his room and the descriptions of these items leave a lot to the imagination. I think there are redactions in these exchanges. They also gloss over several photos taken of his room which is interesting since they'd sit there with Patsy discussing irrelevant photos they've already went over before and know she isn't changing her story yet skip these. Why? What is in them? There were bottles of cleaning fluid in his room and objects with very brief descriptions.
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PATSY RAMSEY: That looks like a drawer. That is the drawer in the guest -- in John Andrew's
room.
TRIP DEMUTH: What is the red and black item?
PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. I can't tell. I don't know.
TOM HANEY: Go ahead.
PATSY RAMSEY: I was going to say, do you have a picture of it blown up?
TOM HANEY: No, we don't.
PATSY RAMSEY: Okay.
TOM HANEY: Can you tell us, identify the other items that are in there.
PATSY RAMSEY: I can't. This (inaudible). John Andrew did (inaudible), that he would hang up.
Looks like just clothes in there. Can't tell.
TOM HANEY: Okay. How about 280, and we can probably skip that one quickly.
PATSY RAMSEY: No. I don't know what that is.
TOM HANEY: Is that the next sequence. Yeah. Some of these are going to be gone over quickly, and we will skip over to 281. There is none. So we go to 282, which is a photo 283.
PATSY RAMSEY: That is a drawer with some markers in it. I don't know what drawer it is.
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TOM HANEY: And 285.
PATSY RAMSEY: That is a makeup bag, like a video and video. Can't tell what it is. I don't know
where it is. A wooden something.
TOM HANEY: There is no previous photo that kind of --
PATSY RAMSEY: Goes with that.
TOM HANEY: Yeah.
PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know where it is.
TOM HANEY: Okay. And 286 would be next.
PATSY RAMSEY: This is the John Andrew's room again, that fabric.
TRIP DEMUTH: Do you know what piece of furniture that is that the fabric is on?
PATSY RAMSEY: I can't tell. A chair covering it when they were tossing pillows and the dust
ruffle and the draperies coming down. (Inaudible). I don't know. A little purple bow or something.
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There's other sections in the transcripts dealing with JAR's area of the house. Tomorrow if I have the time I will go through more of it and try to find it for you.
Even if he had nothing to do with her murder he did NOT deserve the free pass handed to him on a silver platter by BPD/DA. Before she was even buried the Ramseys wanted him ruled out immediately even though he had an out of state alibi. That is a red flag. I would have had investigators all over JAR and his history like white on rice. They ignored him instead. Took the alibi at face value, talked to the friend that was with him, and moved on. That is inexcusable.
The last year of Jonbenet's life should have been placed under a microscope to figure out what was REALLY going on in her life and who was doing what and when. They never made a serious attempt to retrace her steps in the days leading up to her murder, much less an entire year. I think she had a perfect storm brewing around her and was essentially an innocent eye of a dysfunctional hurricane. The chaos she was living reached its horrifying apex Christmas night and had they dug deep in the aftermath, likely would have found key incidents that could have been predictors of a coming tragedy.
nobody explained why there was a collage of John's deceased daughter in his bathroom.
THis info has always baffled me. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a man mourning the death of his older daughter even years after the fact and having pictures is to be expected. Some parents of dead children create things bordering on a shrine and also keep that child's room exactly as it had been when the child died. THis information is a bit on the quirky side. I don't understand the need to have these pictures of her in his bathroom. Obviously there's one thing we imagine him doing in a bathroom setting with these pictures and its quite disturbing.
Having said that, it might not be as disturbing as it sounds. John is likely the type who prefers to be alone when he cries and keeps those emotions in when around others. Maybe he liked to lock himself in the bathroom, look at her pictures and let his emotions boil to the surface.
Its difficult to know the reasoning behind this aspect of the story. We also know very little about his relationship with her other than the fact he was completely devastated by her untimely death.
We know Patsy's inner circle wanted to do an intervention for her Jonbenét obssession, it's also possible Fleet was concerned for the child sometime before the murder is it not?
I agree and I also think things started "clicking" in Fleet's mind that day, whether he was connecting dots to the 23rd party, something before that, the bizarre basement sequence as it unfolded, or linked Jonbenet's inappropriate behavior,etc. to her murder and he blew a gasket.
On the topic of Fleet, I also read here that during Jonbenét's funeral, Fleet was seen arguing with John, shaking his shoulders. I guess they started screaming because somebody told them to behave. And then it was all downhill from there for their friendship. That event only confirms Fleet certainly knew more or at least suspected something was wrong from the very start.
Check out this conversation in the transcript....
TOM HANEY: In the earlier interview, and I think it was the one on April 30 last year, the Whites' name came up as because they were formerly very good friends that you called that morning, but people that you were now suspicious of or something about their behavior. Could you tell us what about them has changed and what you have noticed?
PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I guess --every --
TOM HANEY: Be candid.
PATSY RAMSEY: Well, everything that -- you know, I mean, everything. Our relationship was perfectly normal and fine, and like I said, there are close friends who called first thing that morning. And it was a very traumatic morning, obviously, for everyone there. And people handled things differently, and I know that -- but, suffice to say that Fleet and Priscilla, Fleet probably more so, just on a number of different occasions started reacting very strangely.
TOM HANEY: Okay. How did he react?
PATSY RAMSEY: Well --
TOM HANEY: What did he react to.
PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I guess the first -- let's see. The first time -- I mean, you know, after we found JonBenet, I mean I was just in shock and really was -- was not paying too much attention to things. But the first time I really realized that something was amiss was when we were going to go to Atlanta for the funeral on the Lockheed plane, and there was some like scuttle, confusion or something, why Fleet was not going on that plane. I mean our close friends that had been basically -- you know, I don't know what they were doing, John and my girlfriends were bathing me and feeding me and taking me to the bathroom. I mean I was just immobile for all intents and purposes. And -- and I just remember hearing something that John Fernie was going to detain Fleet because he was in no condition to be put on that plane.
TOM HANEY: No condition due to?
PATSY RAMSEY: He was -- and like I say, I am kind of like just catching, you know, wafts of these conversations. But that was my first recollection. I picked up on something that Fleet was not acting right. And they were going to keep him from going on the private plane back to Atlanta. So anyway, I didn't want to think too much about it, and then when we were in Atlanta, I just sort of remember Priscilla standing in my mother's living room, family room, you know, just kind of like this and saying, "well, I know what's going on" and she said, "if you would give me a few minutes of your time, I could let you in on some things." And I turned to her and I said, "Priscilla, how can you know so much?" And I said, "I am the mother of this child. And I know nothing."
TOM HANEY: What was she referring to?
PATSY RAMSEY: I don't have a clue. I really, I mean, you know, so many times I wish I would have taken her up on it to see what the hell she was talking about. There was just her -- you know, it was just this kind of, I know what's going on here and you don't. And if you give me a few minutes of your time, I could clue you in.
TOM HANEY: But she didn't give you a clue or--
PATSY RAMSEY: Didn't say, didn't say. So that was like the second little thing. So then, let's see. We were at -- we were at my parents, and we had different friends who had come in from Colorado and my friends in Atlanta were putting them up in homes and what not, and my understanding is that Fleet and Priscilla had been invited by my brother and sister-in-law Jeff Ramsey to stay in their home. So I was in bed, and somebody, either my sister, or another friend who was staying there or something, said that Jeff had just called to my parents' home, and said that Fleet was totally off the deep end, had like gotten my brother-in-law and my brother-in-law is -- you think my husband is docile, my brother-in-law is, you know, very docile. Non-confrontational. So Fleet got hold of Jeff's collar, you know, like this, in his face, you know, being very confrontational.
TOM HANEY: Is built --
PATSY RAMSEY: Sorry?
TOM HANEY: Is Fleet a pretty good size?
PATSY RAMSEY: Yes, he's a large man. And anyway, Jeff had called and said to my
dad, they are on their way to your house. Do you have a gun? And I mean for Jeff Ramsey to say something like this in pretty wild. So I just remember, you know, somebody scooping me up and Burke up and my mom and all this and we went downstairs to our basement where my mother had set up some temporary beds and then like, you know, like thrown on the beds, like "don't anybody say anything" and you know, John and my dad were going to try to calm them down or something. You know. Just --
TOM HANEY: Okay. What do you mean again, what did--
PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know, Jeff was saying that Fleet is just crazy. He is crazy, he is coming over there, I don't know what's happened. You know, he's off his rocker.
TOM HANEY: Did he give you a clue though? I mean here your good friends--
PATSY RAMSEY: See, I don't know, because I wasn't -- wasn't having this --
TOM HANEY: The conversation?
PATSY RAMSEY: I am like hearing this thirdhand.
TOM HANEY: Okay.
PATSY RAMSEY: All I know is there was like some big hubbub here about Fleet and Priscilla were going nutso and they were coming over and somebody just crazy, he is crazy, he is coming over there, I don't know what's happened. You know, he's off his rocker.
TOM HANEY: Did he give you a clue though? I mean here your good friend's--
PATSY RAMSEY: See, I don't know because I wasn't, I wasn't having this conversation.
TOM HANEY: The conversation?
PATSY RAMSEY: I am like hearing this thirdhand.
TOM HANEY: Okay.
PATSY RAMSEY: All I know is this was like some big hubbub here about Fleet and Priscilla are going nutso and they are coming over and everybody is afraid of them and da-de-da-de-da.
TOM HANEY: So do they come over?
PATSY RAMSEY: They came over. I do not see them, but John I think called down or something, Jeff Ramsey said he did not want them staying with them. I think John Ramsey and my dad somehow got them to stay in a hotel or something. There in Montreux (phonetic). Then my dad said, you know, I don't know what day this was, all these days were running together. But then my father said that Priscilla called, I guess they were on their way back to Colorado, she called, my dad had just reamed him out, said that she didn't like what she saw in Atlanta one bit. She thought that everything -- that all our friends were, you know, hoity-toity, rich snobs and blah, blah, blah. I mean, just like crazy things. I mean, you know, here we are mourning the death of this child, for crying out loud, and she goes off on this cultural ventilation or something. You know, it just didn't, it didn't make sense. And then so I mean my dad -- (INAUDIBLE) -- so way that was kind of a little incident.
TOM HANEY: Makes sense.
PATSY RAMSEY: And then so I mean my dad is one (INAUDIBLE) so anyway, that was kind of a little incident. But I think some other things happened that I wasn't really privy to. I think John may be more aware of. But then the other time that was really frightening to me is, we had come back to Colorado and John and I were in Father Rol's office, in the church, and my dad was sitting out in the little waiting area. And Father Rol and John and I were praying, and Fleet White burst into the door, burst into the office. And he is just, his eyes are just wild. And you know, I kind of did this number, and he got down on his knees, and looked like --and had a business card in his hand, and he was leaning over to my husband saying, "you know what this is, John, you know what this means, John, you know what I am going to have to do with this, John, I am going to have to handle this my way, John." I mean he was just on and on and on.
And I said, "Fleet, Fleet, what is it?" And he handed me this business card and it was a business card from some journalist or something, and it had a note on the back. And it said, I don't know exactly word for word, but something to the effect of, you know, Mr. White, there has been some question as towhether it was you or John Ramsey who removed the tape from JonBenet's mouth. You know. And about the sequence of the basement discovery. Because we had talking about this. Well, he said they are after me and my family now, John, I am going to have to and he was just like a maniac and Father Rol said to calm down and you know, he said, "I am going to handle it my way, John, my way, John and you know, Father Rol was just trying to get them to calm down. "It's okay Fleet," you know, "what do you mean by your way?" You know, calm down. You know, it will be okay.
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