Why is it that they made the Ramsey family out as being "The Perfect Family"?

[Pocono Sleuther]

That's the whole problem - the Truth won't be told.....[/quote

No it won't, I'm afraid. I had hopes that after Patsy's death we'd hear some truth, but it's not happening. Is it?

But we have wonderful people on these boards who will not let this case drop and who care deeply about not only the case and it's details, but who care about the child who was violently taken. WSers are amazing individuals. I know JB's life is honored here even if it wasn't honored by her very own. And RiverRat...you are one of the best. :blowkiss:

 

[RiverRat]

You guys....I wasn't expecting to feel some love here, so I am glad that I made the decision to start mingling in here again! :blowkiss:

 

[Ames]

You guys....I wasn't expecting to feel some love here, so I am glad that I made the decision to start mingling in here again! :blowkiss:

And so are WE!!! :dance:

 

[UKGuy]

It was never mentioned anywhere that the gifts were untagged, only that they were partially (un)wrapped. So it shouldn't be concluded that PT had no way to tell whose was who before they were opened. I see it that PR knew she wasn't going to see Jenny for Christmas, so intended to mail them when she got back from vacation. While most people mail gifts before Christmas, it isn't unusual for people to send them after- I know plenty who do. And for someone known to be as disorganized as PR was, it isn't a bit surprising. I base my thoughts on the location of the size 12s on the fact that Jenny's gift(s) were tagged with her name, but of course, not what was in them, so PR had to open Jenny's gifts. I do the same thing when wrapping more than one box for the same person. I don't always recall what gift is in what box, unless there is something unusual about the shape of size. I'd know what box held earrings versus a sweater. But I might not know what box held a sweater versus a shirt. The panty package was small enough to be placed in a bigger box with other things. And if I placed a pair of earrings in a bigger box with something else and wanted the earrings again, I'd have to unwrap boxes till I found the earrings.

DeeDee249,

It was never mentioned anywhere that the gifts were untagged, only that they were partially (un)wrapped. So it shouldn't be concluded that PT had no way to tell whose was who before they were opened.

Its a reasonable inference if more than one package has been opened then the person doing the opening does not know what is in any particular package never mind if they are gift-tagged. The absence of gift-tags follows from the previous observation.

I see it that PR knew she wasn't going to see Jenny for Christmas, so intended to mail them when she got back from vacation. While most people mail gifts before Christmas, it isn't unusual for people to send them after- I know plenty who do. And for someone known to be as disorganized as PR was, it isn't a bit surprising.

Possibly, but if the Ramsey's made the size-12's vanish in the first place, then why did Patsy ever need to explain away their existence. Patsy's stories about the size-12's do not even match either the staging or her version of events.

I base my thoughts on the location of the size 12s on the fact that Jenny's gift(s) were tagged with her name, but of course, not what was in them, so PR had to open Jenny's gifts.

Do you have a source for this fact? And that there was more than one gift for Jenny?


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[trixie]

DeeDee249,

Its a reasonable inference if more than one package has been opened then the person doing the opening does not know what is in any particular package never mind if they are gift-tagged. The absence of gift-tags follows from the previous observation.


Possibly, but if the Ramsey's made the size-12's vanish in the first place, then why did Patsy ever need to explain away their existence. Patsy's stories about the size-12's do not even match either the staging or her version of events.


Do you have a source for this fact? And that there was more than one gift for Jenny?
.

I would also like to know where you read that please, DeeDee. From what Patsy said in an one LE interview, the panties were bought as a gift to send at Christmas. They never made it into the box so she gave them to JB. I'm not sure which interview that was. But according to Patsy at least THAT time, the underwear were basically just laying around somewhere.

 

[Pocono Sleuther]

And so are WE!!! :dance:

:clap: Amen to that Ames!

 

[DeeDee249]

UKGuy, you highlighted the word FACT but I said it figuratively, not literally. I already said that it was never mentioned anywhere whether the gifts in the basement were tagged or not. Only that they were there and partially (un)wrapped. I recall PR being asked about the gifts in the basement in one of her depositions on acandyrose. She mentioned they were gifts that she never got around to sending before Christmas. PR admitted buying the size 12 panties. I think even UKGuy can agree with that. She also said she got them as a gift for her niece Jenny. If size 12 Bloomies panties were on JBR when she was found, they were the ones meant for Jenny. There were unwrapped gifts in the basement, just feet from the body. We all know SOME aspects of the crime happened in the basement. I don't think it's a great leap to think that they were obtained from one of the gift boxes in the basement. All my information for the previous posts came from reading the depositions on acandyrose. Of course, no one investigating this case mentioned whether the panties on the body had ever been laundered. Clean laundry will still show some detergent residue, which would be absent on new-out-of-the-package panties. That would help to settle the question of whether PR simply gave the panties to JBR because she asked for them (even though she had her own set). If she'd been using them, not only would they show evidence of detergent laundering, but they would have the same fecal staining (which laundering didn't remove) as EVERY other pair of JBR's panties in the house.

 

[Ames]

UKGuy, you highlighted the word FACT but I said it figuratively, not literally. I already said that it was never mentioned anywhere whether the gifts in the basement were tagged or not. Only that they were there and partially (un)wrapped. I recall PR being asked about the gifts in the basement in one of her depositions on acandyrose. She mentioned they were gifts that she never got around to sending before Christmas. PR admitted buying the size 12 panties. I think even UKGuy can agree with that. She also said she got them as a gift for her niece Jenny. If size 12 Bloomies panties were on JBR when she was found, they were the ones meant for Jenny. There were unwrapped gifts in the basement, just feet from the body. We all know SOME aspects of the crime happened in the basement. I don't think it's a great leap to think that they were obtained from one of the gift boxes in the basement. All my information for the previous posts came from reading the depositions on acandyrose. Of course, no one investigating this case mentioned whether the panties on the body had ever been laundered. Clean laundry will still show some detergent residue, which would be absent on new-out-of-the-package panties. That would help to settle the question of whether PR simply gave the panties to JBR because she asked for them (even though she had her own set). If she'd been using them, not only would they show evidence of detergent laundering, but they would have the same fecal staining (which laundering didn't remove) as EVERY other pair of JBR's panties in the house.

I wonder if these Bloomies were bought in New York? At the church that I attended from an infant to the age of 21, a woman that I know extremely well, said that while she and her friends were in New York, they had attended one of the tapings for the Today show...(or was it Good Morning America?), where they tape outside...anyway, right after JB's murder, she said that she had met Patsy at that taping...and that Patsy had baked some sort of cake or cookies and had given them to one of the hosts of the show. I believe that this was in 1996, but, I don't know the month though. She told me this right after JB's murder, so I don't remember anymore of the details.

 

[JMO8778]

I wonder if these Bloomies were bought in New York? At the church that I attended from an infant to the age of 21, a woman that I know extremely well, said that while she and her friends were in New York, they had attended one of the tapings for the Today show...(or was it Good Morning America?), where they tape outside...anyway, right after JB's murder, she said that she had met Patsy at that taping...and that Patsy had baked some sort of cake or cookies and had given them to one of the hosts of the show. I believe that this was in 1996, but, I don't know the month though. She told me this right after JB's murder, so I don't remember anymore of the details.

I think that was the near the same month/yr JB was killed..Nov. '96.I think in her Christmas letter for that yr,she had mentioned the show and being on tv for a few moments.(no wonder she made the host something.I wonder if she mentioned she was a former Ms WV? lol).And in DOI,there is a pic of Patsy and JB on the outdoor ice skating rink in NY,which I think is said to be on that same trip.

 

[Shanny]

I think Patsy was the one who held her family up as the perfect family and had done it since she and John got married. People probably thought of them as the perfect family because Patsy only talked about the good things, nothing was ever bad. Just read one of those Christmas newsletters she sent out every Christmas and you'll see what I mean. After reading one of those one could undoubtedly come away thinking was the perfect family...... All orchestrated by Patsy, the Mother, the Centerpiece and Support upon who this perfect family relied on totally. That's why Jonbenet's bedwetting was a dirty little secret. She had to be the perfect child because she was Patsys child.

I read Patsy's Christmas letters and in her world/mind everything was perfect. I look at the interviews with John and Patsy and it is just a shock to read how different they are from how the people who were involved in the Ramsey's life were.
Like John Ramsey not liking alot of noises
Linda Wilcox: Patsy's major job was to make sure nobody annoyed John. One of the things that really annoyed him was lots of noises. One day, I was there, I was in the master bedroom, upstairs, vacuuming the floor, which was my job. I was finishing up and John Ramsey had come in during that time, probably through the garage, went up the stairs, turned off the vacuum, turned around and walked away.
Peter Boyles: He didn't say anything to you?
Linda Wilcox: Not a word.

Another thing was Patsy cutting JonBenet's hair like a boy
Picture:http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_14368413/c2ae/__sr_/e655.jpg?grILbBIB4BFysPhi

Judith Phillips: I said to Patsy, What happened to her hair? And she goes OH I just got so sick of fighting with JonBenét about combing her hair. We would fight all the time, so I just got sick of it and I took the scissors and cut her hair.

 

[JMO8778]

I read Patsy's Christmas letters and in her world/mind everything was perfect. I look at the interviews with John and Patsy and it is just a shock to read how different they are from how the people who were involved in the Ramsey's life were.
Like John Ramsey not liking alot of noises
Linda Wilcox: Patsy's major job was to make sure nobody annoyed John. One of the things that really annoyed him was lots of noises.
Linda Wilcox: Not a word.

kind of makes you wonder if he would have flipped out if JB were to have screamed...???

Another thing was Patsy cutting JonBenet's hair like a boy
Picture:http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_14368413/c2ae/__sr_/e655.jpg?grILbBIB4BFysPhi

Judith Phillips: I said to Patsy, What happened to her hair? And she goes OH I just got so sick of fighting with JonBenét about combing her hair. We would fight all the time, so I just got sick of it and I took the scissors and cut her hair.

I had to laugh when I read that,because it reminds me of a movie my husb. was watching on tv recently...(I wish I knew the name of it). anyway,this guy..quite a rough looking man...was stranded on his small boat w/ a mother and her young daughter...don't know how that happened,I didn't see the whole movie.anyway,the daughter misbehaved,and he laid her down,took his hatchet out,and chopped off most of her hair.
I came back in later,and the mother now also had short hair.I said,'what happened???' My husb. said,"she acted up and got a haircut,too !!" LOL.

 

[trixie]

UKGuy, you highlighted the word FACT but I said it figuratively, not literally. I already said that it was never mentioned anywhere whether the gifts in the basement were tagged or not. Only that they were there and partially (un)wrapped. I recall PR being asked about the gifts in the basement in one of her depositions on acandyrose. She mentioned they were gifts that she never got around to sending before Christmas. PR admitted buying the size 12 panties. I think even UKGuy can agree with that. She also said she got them as a gift for her niece Jenny. If size 12 Bloomies panties were on JBR when she was found, they were the ones meant for Jenny. There were unwrapped gifts in the basement, just feet from the body. We all know SOME aspects of the crime happened in the basement. I don't think it's a great leap to think that they were obtained from one of the gift boxes in the basement. All my information for the previous posts came from reading the depositions on acandyrose. Of course, no one investigating this case mentioned whether the panties on the body had ever been laundered. Clean laundry will still show some detergent residue, which would be absent on new-out-of-the-package panties. That would help to settle the question of whether PR simply gave the panties to JBR because she asked for them (even though she had her own set). If she'd been using them, not only would they show evidence of detergent laundering, but they would have the same fecal staining (which laundering didn't remove) as EVERY other pair of JBR's panties in the house.

Clean old laundered panties show detergent residue.....brand new out of the package panites show partial DNA!!!! Who knew?:crazy: :doh:

 

[UKGuy]

UKGuy, you highlighted the word FACT but I said it figuratively, not literally. I already said that it was never mentioned anywhere whether the gifts in the basement were tagged or not. Only that they were there and partially (un)wrapped. I recall PR being asked about the gifts in the basement in one of her depositions on acandyrose. She mentioned they were gifts that she never got around to sending before Christmas. PR admitted buying the size 12 panties. I think even UKGuy can agree with that. She also said she got them as a gift for her niece Jenny. If size 12 Bloomies panties were on JBR when she was found, they were the ones meant for Jenny. There were unwrapped gifts in the basement, just feet from the body. We all know SOME aspects of the crime happened in the basement. I don't think it's a great leap to think that they were obtained from one of the gift boxes in the basement. All my information for the previous posts came from reading the depositions on acandyrose. Of course, no one investigating this case mentioned whether the panties on the body had ever been laundered. Clean laundry will still show some detergent residue, which would be absent on new-out-of-the-package panties. That would help to settle the question of whether PR simply gave the panties to JBR because she asked for them (even though she had her own set). If she'd been using them, not only would they show evidence of detergent laundering, but they would have the same fecal staining (which laundering didn't remove) as EVERY other pair of JBR's panties in the house.

DeeDee249,

I already said that it was never mentioned anywhere whether the gifts in the basement were tagged or not. Only that they were there and partially (un)wrapped.

Not accurate. What you wrote was :

It was never mentioned anywhere that the gifts were untagged, only that they were partially (un)wrapped. So it shouldn't be concluded that PT had no way to tell whose was who before they were opened.

Which you followed up with

I base my thoughts on the location of the size 12s on the fact that Jenny's gift(s) were tagged with her name

So however you describe your prose, figuratively, not literally, allegorical, metaphorical, etc. You have cited an absence of evidence and then considered this sufficient to demonstrate the presence of evidence e.g. gift-tags. To use the word fact in this context may mislead others.

Your interpretation may correct, the gifts may have been tagged, but I have not seen that officially documented.

There were unwrapped gifts in the basement, just feet from the body. We all know SOME aspects of the crime happened in the basement. I don't think it's a great leap to think that they were obtained from one of the gift boxes in the basement.

I agree its quite plausible as an explanation for the origin of the size-12's, but without the full facts, e.g. were the gift-boxes tagged, were all the boxes opened, or just some etc? It is not really safe to conclude that the size-12's were taken from a gift-box. There may have been another reason for partially opening the gift-boxes, independent of the size-12's?

Of course, no one investigating this case mentioned whether the panties on the body had ever been laundered. Clean laundry will still show some detergent residue, which would be absent on new-out-of-the-package panties. That would help to settle the question of whether PR simply gave the panties to JBR because she asked for them

Patsy stated that she had placed the size-12's into JonBenet's panty drawer, during her interview she was informed that no size-12's were found amongst those removed from the panty drawer!

So if Patsy redressed JonBenet in those size-12's why did she not place the remaining size-12's into JonBenet's panty drawer, thus offering an explanation as to why JonBenet was so dressed? Instead she offers an account that is inconsistent with the forensic evidence.

I reckon the reason for this state of affairs is that she was actually following someone elses plan, and that the other person may have redressed JonBenet in those size-12's, and because this persons dna and fingerprints will be all over the tube, they are removed from the crime-scene. This will be a logical move relative to this person, but not to Patsy, the purchaser of the size-12's, who has no coherent explanation as to why JonBenet should be wearing them.

That would help to settle the question of whether PR simply gave the panties to JBR because she asked for them (even though she had her own set). If she'd been using them, not only would they show evidence of detergent laundering, but they would have the same fecal staining (which laundering didn't remove) as EVERY other pair of JBR's panties in the house.

Coroner Meyer only reported urine-staining. Anyway if JonBenet's size-6's had the same appearance as the size-12's, just why was JonBenet wanting to wear underwear that would patently fall down?

 

[maya.morgen]

not only were they not a perfect family,but big liars.

TOM HANEY: Why are you appearing
19 today?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I have been
21 since the beginning of a new page in trying to
22 find out who murdered our daughter.
23 TOM HANEY: And as I said earlier,
24 you are here voluntarily. In fact, it was your
25 idea?
0004
1 PATSY RAMSEY: That's right.

 

[RiverRat]

Good catch, Maya! :clap: It was all Patsy's idea to be interrogated?! LOL - that's a classic!

 

[UKGuy]

I would also like to know where you read that please, DeeDee. From what Patsy said in an one LE interview, the panties were bought as a gift to send at Christmas. They never made it into the box so she gave them to JB. I'm not sure which interview that was. But according to Patsy at least THAT time, the underwear were basically just laying around somewhere.

trixie,
You are correct, on more than one occassion Patsy unequivocally states that she placed the size-12's into JonBenet's panty drawer and that she gave up on the idea of sending them to Jenny.

Excerpt: August 2000 Patsy Ramsey Atlanta Interview

7 A. I can't say for sure. I mean, I
8 think I bought them with the intention of
9 sending them in a package of Christmas things
10 to Atlanta. Obviously I didn't get that
11 together, so I just put them in her, her
12 panty drawer. So they were free game.

Excerpt: August 2000 Patsy Ramsey Atlanta Interview

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18 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Well, let's start
19 with what - I will make it very simple for
20 you, Mrs. Ramsey. What information are you
21 in possession of or what do you know about
22 the underwear that your daughter was wearing
23 at the time she was found murdered?
24 A. I have heard that she had on a
25 pair of Bloomi's that said Wednesday on them.

0078
1 Q. The underwear that she was
2 wearing, that is Bloomi's panties, do you
3 know where they come from as far as what
4 store?
5 A. Bloomingdales in New York.
6 Q. Who purchased those?
7 A. I did.
8 Q. Do you recall when you purchased
9 them?
10 A. It was, I think, November of '96.
11 Q. In the fall of 1996, how many
12 trips did you make to New York?
13 A. Two, I believe.
14 Q. Do you recall, and again, the
15 same, same qualification I gave you when we
16 started, which is, I understand that you are
17 not going to give me exact dates, but the
18 two trips you made, did you make those with
19 different groups of people?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. The first trip, who was that trip
22 with?
23 A. The first trip was a
24 mother-daughter trip with my mother Nedra
25 Paugh, my sister Pam Paugh, friends Susan

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1 Flanders from Charlevoix, Michigan, and her
2 daughter and a friend of Susan's, Ms.
3 Kirkpatrick I believe was her name, and her
4 daughter, and JonBenet and myself.
5 Q. And the second trip you made was?
6 A. The second trip we made was with
7 Glen and Susan Stein.
8 Q. Is that the trip -- which trip
9 was the November trip?
10 A. With the children.
11 Q. Was that -- that is the first
12 trip?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. And the second trip that you and
15 your husband and the Steins took, was that
16 also November, but later in the month, or
17 was that a December trip?
18 A. I think it was December.
19 Q. And maybe this will help jog your
20 memory as to time. I believe that was the
21 time of the Christmas parade in Boulder.
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. Is that correct?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. Were you out of town?

0080
1 A. I remember that.
2 Q. Which of those two trips did you
3 purchase the Bloomi's?
4 A. The first trip.
5 Q. Was it something that was selected
6 by JonBenet?
7 A. I believe so.
8 Q. Was it your intention, when you
9 purchased those, for those to be for her,
10 not for some third party as a gift?
11 A. I bought some things that were
12 gifts and some things for her. So I
13 don't --
14 Q. Just so I am clear, though, it is
15 your best recollection that the purchase of
16 the underpants, the Bloomi's days of the
17 week, was something that you bought for her,
18 whether it was just I am buying underwear
19 for my kids or these are special, here's a
20 present, that doesn't matter, but it was your
21 intention that she would wear those?
22 A. Well, I think that I bought a
23 package of the -- they came in a package of
24 Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
25 I think I bought a package to give to my

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1 niece.
2 Q. Which niece was that?
3 A. Jenny Davis.
4 Q. They came in, if you recall, do
5 you remember that they come in kind of a
6 plastic see-through plastic container.
7 A. Right.
8 Q. They are rolled up?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. So if I understand you correctly,
11 you bought one package for Jenny Davis, your
12 niece, and one for JonBenet?
13 A. I am not sure if I bought one or
14 two.
15 Q. Do you remember what size they
16 were?
17 A. Not exactly.
18 Q. JonBenet was found wearing the
19 Wednesday Bloomi's underpants, and your
20 understanding is correct, that is a fact, you
21 can accept that as a fact, when she was
22 found murdered. Those underpants do not fit
23 her. Were you aware of that?
24 MR. WOOD: Are you stating that
25 as a matter of fact --

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1 MR. LEVIN: I'm stating that as a
2 matter --
3 MR. WOOD: - for a six-year-old
4 child?
5 MR. LEVIN: I am stating that as
6 a matter of fact.

(SNIP)

0082
17 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Ms. Ramsey, your
18 daughter weighed, I believe, 45 pounds;
19 correct?
20 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
21 Q. She was six years old?
22 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
23 Q. What size underpants would you
24 normally buy for her?
25 A. 8 to 10.

0083
1 Q. Ms. Ramsey, would you say that it
2 would, it is safe to assume that, if she is
3 wearing underpants designed for someone who
4 weighs 85 pounds, who is 10 to 12 years old,
5 that those would not fit her?
6 A. Those -- I mean, I am sure she
7 could wear them, yes, but they wouldn't fit
8 as well as a smaller pair.
9 Q. And as a mother, you would know
10 that someone who is 85 pounds is
11 significantly larger than your little
12 six-year-old?
13 MR. WOOD: Can't we assume that
14 as a matter of 85 is more than 45 without
15 her having to document a mathematical fact,
16 Bruce?
17 Q. (By Mr. Levin) 40 pounds is the
18 wrong size pair of underpants, would you
19 agree?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. Okay. What we are trying to
22 understand is whether -- we are trying to
23 understand why she is wearing such a large
24 pair of underpants. We are hoping you can
25 help us if you have a recollection of it.

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1 A. I am sure that I put the package
2 of underwear in her bathroom, and she opened
3 them and put them on.
4 Q. Do you know if -- you bought
5 these sometime in mid to early December, is
6 that correct, as far as -- no, I am sorry,
7 you bought them in November?
8 A. Right.
9 Q. Do you recall, was she wearing
10 these? And I don't mean this specific day
11 of the week, but was she wearing, were you
12 aware of the fact that she, you know, was in
13 this package of underpants and had been
14 wearing them since the trip to New York in
15 November?
16 A. I don't remember.
17 Q. Ms. Hoffman Pugh generally did the
18 laundry for the family, that is part of her
19 duties; is that correct?
20 A. Correct.
21 Q. Exclusively, or did you wash
22 clothes on occasion?
23 A. I washed a lot of clothes.
24 Q. Do you have any recollection of
25 ever washing any of the Bloomi panties?

0085
1 A. Not specifically.
2 Q. Was it something that, the fact
3 that she is wearing these underpants designed
4 for an 85-pound person, did you ever -- and
5 I will give you a minute to think about it
6 because I know it is tough to try to pin
7 down a couple of months of casual
8 conversation -- do you recall ever having any
9 conversations with her concerning the fact
10 that she is wearing underwear that is just
11 too large for her?
12 A. No.
13 Q. Knowing yourself as you do, if it
14 was, if it had caught your attention or came
15 to your attention, do you think you might
16 have said, JonBenet, you should, those don't
17 fit, put something on that fits, that is
18 inappropriate? Do you think, if it came,
19 had come to your attention --
20 A. Well, obviously we, you know, the
21 package had been opened, we made the
22 decision, you know, oh, just go ahead and
23 use them because, you know, we weren't going
24 to give them to Jenny after all, I guess,
25 so.

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1 I mean, if you have ever seen
2 these little panties, there is not too much
3 difference in the size. So, you know, I'm
4 sure even if they were a little bit big,
5 they were special because we got them up
6 there, she wanted to wear them, and they
7 didn't fall down around her ankles, that was
8 fine with me.
9 MR. MORRISSEY: Did you ever see
10 if they fell down around her ankles or not?
11 THE WITNESS: No.
12 MS. HARMER: But you specifically
13 remember her putting on the bigger pair?
14 And I am not saying --
15 THE WITNESS: They were just in
16 her panty drawer, so I don't, you know, I
17 don't pay attention. I mean, I just put all
18 of her clean panties in a drawer and she can
19 help herself to whatever is in there.
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20 MS. HARMER: I guess I am not
21 clear on, you bought the panties to give to
22 Jenny.
23 THE WITNESS: Right.
24 MS. HARMER: And they ended up in
25 JonBenet's bathroom?

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1 A. Right.
2 Q. (By Ms. Harmer) Was there - I'm
3 sorry. Do you recall making a decision then
4 not to give them to Jenny or did JonBenet
5 express an interest in them; therefore, you
6 didn't give them to Jenny? How did that --
7 A. I can't say for sure. I mean, I
8 think I bought them with the intention of
9 sending them in a package of Christmas things
10 to Atlanta. Obviously I didn't get that
11 together, so I just put them in her, her
12 panty drawer. So they were free game.
13 Q. (By Mr. Morrissey) At the time,
14 how old was Jenny?
15 A. I don't know. Probably -- I
16 don't know. She is older than JonBenet, but
17 I don't know exactly how old she was.
18 Q. Would these panties, size wise, be
19 more appropriate for -- is she an older
20 girl?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. And I assume a larger girl?
23 A. Well, at that time, no, not -- I
24 mean, she is not -- I mean, today she is a
25 young woman, but then she was a little girl.

.

 

[maya.morgen]

Good catch, Maya! :clap: It was all Patsy's idea to be interrogated?! LOL - that's a classic!

ty

i think Fleet understood it all from day 1.

(Patsy)Somebody had interviewed Fleet and
6 then had written up a report about their
7 findings and that he seemed to know almost word
8 for word the ransom letter and he commented
9 about how the structure of it was so well tied
10 together. I mean, I have read the ransom
11 letter, I couldn't tell you what the structure
12 was, you know.

LOL.he figured out that the RN answers the 5W questions,so it was probably written by someone who knows the journalistic structure,but you who graduated journalism didn't.


OOOOkayyyy

 

[maya.morgen]

PATSY RAMSEY: I think she would
5 have told because we had talked about all the
6 areas covered by your swim suit belong to
7 JonBenet. Not to anybody else. Mom can touch
8 those areas because, you know, and different
9 things, and Dr. Buff with mommy in the room,
10 those were the ground rules. Not daddy, not
11 Burke, not grampa, not anybody else but
12 JonBenet's, you know.

maybe it's nothing....but why would you tell your 5/6 years old that daddy can't touch those areas of your body???????
i don't get it,really.it's creepy!

 

[maya.morgen]

okay,got it.she was telling her about how to react to strangers...


but why the h**** didn't she better teach her not to ask everybodys help with the wiping then?

it makes no sense.
don't let strangers and daddy touch you there,but if you need help after you go to the bathroom,call whoever is nearby.


geez.

 

[JMO8778]

PATSY RAMSEY: I think she would
5 have told because we had talked about all the
6 areas covered by your swim suit belong to
7 JonBenet. Not to anybody else. Mom can touch
8 those areas because, you know, and different
9 things, and Dr. Buff with mommy in the room,
10 those were the ground rules. Not daddy, not
11 Burke, not grampa, not anybody else but
12 JonBenet's, you know.

she's specifically trying to rule out those three,yet she makes no mention of JAR,other than saying 'not anybody else'.
I'm not saying he had anything to do w. it,or that she left him out on purpose,but it seems she was sure to *include those closest to her whom she wouldn't have wanted to see prosecuted..BR,JR,and her father.