As I've just said in another thread, the forensic pathology evidence shows that the boys were either dead or unconscious by the time they were tied. I would also add that the amount of slack in the shoelaces, and the particular way that they were tied would be useless for restraint. If they'd been awake, the boys could very easily have untied themselves.
The most likely reason for them to be tied in such an unusual manner is that they were tied for ease of carrying. Its the way animal carcasses are tied in a slaughterhouse to be carried from one place to the next, not the way victims are tied for sadistic, sexual purposes, nor even pragmatic, restraint purposes.
If your right hand is tied to the outside of your right foot, and your left hand is tied to the outside of your left foot, how is it possible to work free?
This business about transporting the bodies on the arms is silly and inane, and arises from naivete. It would be easier to carry a boy over the shoulders, placing the weight on the back, gluteus maximus, and leg muscles not the arm muscles. Anyone used to lifting heavy things knows this. Bodies are not grocery bags, ladies.
So do those who think that's the way it happened, also realize that those bodies would be swinging on the person's arms as the person carrying them walked?
Have you ever tried to lift someone who is passed out from drinking? I have, and it's all a college friend and I could do to even get him off the sofa where he'd vomited. Once off, the two of us literally could not even drag him anywhere, and he only weighed about 130lbs. We could not lift him at all. I realize the boys weighed much less, abt. 80 lbs. each, but that is too much weight for the average man to carry any distance in a short amount of time. Besides, there is no reason to think the boys were killed elsewhere. And if killed in a manhole, there's no reason to transport them to an open ditch.
I contend that those boys were tied the way they were for sexual purposes and also for the shock value when discovered. It is not necessary to have penetration for this attack to have the sexual overtones it did. Mutilation of anyone's genitals is always sexual in nature.
Dr. Perretti even raised snapping turtles so he knew the majority of the wounds didn't come from turtle bites. I think Blink on Crime has it right about the hiking pick being used to make gouges though the WMPD and prosecutor didn't connect the dots. It also had a serrated edge on one side which Blink says matches up to the wounds.
She was recently on the Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio to discuss the case. It's still available for listening, and well worth the listen.
......I hope they were unconscious and left for dead after the initial attack as horrible as it sounds.I somehow can imagine an even more sinister scenario.I keep thinking about the "cockroach" punishment Hobbs would give to Stevie and the statements about him being forced to watch *advertiser censored*.It's sadistic.I keep wondering if Amanda has repressed memories.She may have witnessed or knows something from back then.IMO