GUILTY WI - Dr. Beth Potter and husband murdered at UW Arboretum, Madison, March 2020 *Arrests*

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Moonracer said:
I read something different in that same article (snipped):

"Potter told her friend that as she and her husband moved the belongings because the teens just ‘sat in her bedroom...and ordered food and didn’t really communicate’ with her.'"

Call me sour, but it will come out, MOO, that M was a LOT of trouble and many inappropriate things had been going on - such as the parents allowing the daughter to have a live-in teen lover who had been doing criminal things - my bet, she was out of control for a long time and the parents, not being trashy, were unable to control it. Not victim blaming them, just feel sorry for them as this must have been miserable to have tried to deal with . JMO based on seeing this too many times with wild teens.

Teen suspect behind murder of University of Wisconsin professor was kicked out of her house | Daily Mail Online
I agree completely. Never in a million years would my parents have allowed me to have a live in lover when I was in high school or even college. And they never would have allowed me to date anyone with a criminal record. It must have been a terrible situation.
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BeckyF said:
Oh, it's only 100,000 to bail him out! Whoever contributes to this may as well say bye bye to their money.
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Hopefully, the 10% is the minimum figure given by bondsmen to defendants who are considered a low flight risk.

The defendant is facing LWOP, has no assets of his own, and has nothing to lose by making a flight attempt. My guess is that a bondsman is going to want more than 10% in collateral to place the 1 million dollar bond.
 
Sanford's "go fund me" account has already been pulled for violating its terms of use. It only raised a few hundred dollars by the time it was yanked.

Wisconsin does not have a for-profit bail industry, so no bail bondsmen. But... there is something called a '10% surety bond' that allows a friend or family member to pay 10% of the original amount. Maybe that is why Sanford's mother was trying to raise 100K.

KS and AL need to stay behind bars. I live in Madison and don't want these cold blooded killers out on the streets.

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For the past couple years, Madison has been plagued with car thefts perpetrated by teenagers. It's the same offenders over and over --some are as young as 12.
 
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MadisonS said:
Wisconsin does not have a for-profit bail industry, so no bail bondsmen. But... there is something called a '10% surety bond' that allows a friend or family member to pay 10% of the original amount. Maybe that is why Sanford's mother was trying to raise 100K.
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Does the posting of a 'surety' bond at ten percent guarantee release, or can a judge require a higher percentage in some cases? Hopefully, a Wisconsin judge a judge can still deny a ten percent surety bond if they feel the totality of crcumstances warrant it.

In the end, ten percent of a million is not that hard to raise for anybody who has access to a combination of home equity and a 401K account. This can lead to extremely dangerous people being street released with low bond (true bond is only 100K if a ten percent surety amount must be accepted).
 
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“A forensic search conducted by Det. Schirmacher of
Miriam’s cellular telephone also revealed that on March 8
a photo of Khari Sanford pointing what your Complainant
believes to be a Glock handgun at the camera was sent from Miriam’s cell phone to Khari’s cell phone which matches a photograph sent from Khari to Miriam on November 22, 2019. “

Interesting detail from the AA. The original gun photo was sent to KS by MPC in November...but for some reason she sends that ominous photo back to him...on March 8. Just weeks before the killings. I wonder how this fits with the timeline reported in the AA of the discussion just before school was closed ...of how to get money, how rich her patents were.
 
Also from the AA..


“WITH POLICE AND UNTRUTHFUL STATEMENTS
On March 31, City of Madison Police Detective Jamie Grann and Detective Grimyser conducted an interview of Miriam who was identified verbally, at the University of Wisconsin Police Department station. Miriam stated to Detectives Grann and Grimyser that her adoptive parents, Beth Potter and Robin Carre, had rented her an Air BNB unit at 213 Sunny Meade Lane, City of Madison, Dane County, Wisconsin, for the past 2-1/2 weeks while she looked for a permanent apartment.”

Hmmmm

March 8 she sends him the gun photo. Parents murdered on March 30. AA says she said they have been in the AirBnB for 2 1/2 weeks. Maybe 18 days before murder. So a few days before they are moved out of the family home, she resends to KS a threatening picture of him pointing a gun...from months before.”

He was also living with her at this time...but still that picture from months ago was re-sent from Miriam to him. Why?


“Miriam said her boyfriend who she identified as Khari Sanford had been living with her at her current temporary residence and he had also been staying at her parents’ residence for two weeks prior to her moving out. Miriam said that she loved her boyfriend, and she was extremely loyal to him.
Miriam told Detective Grann that her parents had allowed her to use their Volkswagen minivan.”
 
stmarysmead said:
Also from the AA..


“WITH POLICE AND UNTRUTHFUL STATEMENTS
On March 31, City of Madison Police Detective Jamie Grann and Detective Grimyser conducted an interview of Miriam who was identified verbally, at the University of Wisconsin Police Department station. Miriam stated to Detectives Grann and Grimyser that her adoptive parents, Beth Potter and Robin Carre, had rented her an Air BNB unit at 213 Sunny Meade Lane, City of Madison, Dane County, Wisconsin, for the past 2-1/2 weeks while she looked for a permanent apartment.”

Hmmmm

March 8 she sends him the gun photo. Parents murdered on March 30. AA says she said they have been in the AirBnB for 2 1/2 weeks. Maybe 18 days before murder. So a few days before they are moved out of the family home, she resends to KS a threatening picture of him pointing a gun...from months before.”

He was also living with her at this time...but still that picture from months ago was re-sent from Miriam to him. Why?


“Miriam said her boyfriend who she identified as Khari Sanford had been living with her at her current temporary residence and he had also been staying at her parents’ residence for two weeks prior to her moving out. Miriam said that she loved her boyfriend, and she was extremely loyal to him.
Miriam told Detective Grann that her parents had allowed her to use their Volkswagen minivan.”
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Yeah, sure starting to look like a spur to action. OTOH, I can imagine it being explained away -- a favourite photo, popped up automatically and randomly as a "memory," so I forwarded it to him as a WTF? text, etc., etc. I honestly never thought for a second that he'd actually do anything like this, etc., etc.

Does seem to point at a plan, and great work on developing that timeline -- I expect it will be the friend Huncho's testimony that will open things up a little, when and if he spills.
 
I made a mistake in transcribing what I meant to say. HE sent it to her in Nov.

Then almost three months later, on March 8...SHE sends the photo back to him. While they are living in her parents house. Just a few days before they were moved to the AirBNB.

Also school was closed on March 15. So did the conversation about “bands of money” happen around the time that M felt inspired to re -send the photo back?
 
I wonder how it felt to wake up to a gun in your face held by a young man you’d housed and fed for weeks...whose rent you were paying...who you allowed to sleep in your teenage daughters bed. Then to to be herded in your pajamas and sock feet...along with your husband...still in his underwear...into the cold night. Herded into a van YOU owned and lent to this individual and your daughter out of love and compassion.

What was said, what tears, what begging...we can only imagine. These victims were gentle compassionate people..

Then to be driven at gunpoint and marched into the park....sock feet on stones and gravel...so cold...probably pleading, pleading...and be forced onto the ground.

Then you see the shot go into your beloved husbands head...and you feel the pain of the shots you endure yourself. Then this boy that you have fed and housed...shoots again.

But you live, lying next to the man you love..lying there in the cold, all night, suffering.

So horrific.

and...your daughter alibis your executioner...
 
Cryptic said:
Does the posting of a 'surety' bond at ten percent guarantee release, or can a judge require a higher percentage in some cases? Hopefully, a Wisconsin judge a judge can still deny a ten percent surety bond if they feel the totality of crcumstances warrant it.

In the end, ten percent of a million is not that hard to raise for anybody who has access to a combination of home equity and a 401K account. This can lead to extremely dangerous people being street released with low bond (true bond is only 100K if a ten percent surety amount must be accepted).
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I would hope that Judge Hanson would require more than 10% surety bond if he could. I listened to the judge's decision, and he truly recognized how dangerous Khari et al. are and seemed invested in keeping them in jail for the time being.

Khari's mother probably does not have the personal resources to pay the surety bond, hence the crowd funding request. What worries me is that a few community leaders here in Madison requested that Khari be released into their custody. Hopefully they will change their minds after reading the criminal complaint and realize just how dangerous he really is.
 
MadisonS said:
I would hope that Judge Hanson would require more than 10% surety bond if he could. I listened to the judge's decision, and he truly recognized how dangerous Khari et al. are and seemed invested in keeping them in jail for the time being.

Khari's mother probably does not have the personal resources to pay the surety bond, hence the crowd funding request. What worries me is that a few community leaders here in Madison requested that Khari be released into their custody. Hopefully they will change their minds after reading the criminal complaint and realize just how dangerous he really is.
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From my reading across social media....I doubt this is going to happen. These leaders possess a world view that Khari has been victimized by society and therefore this is not his fault. He is a wonderful young man that should be allowed to pursue his dreams and go into politics...not be punished for something that society forced him to do.

He is getting a lot of sympathy from these community leaders who somehow see him as a future community leader like themselves.
 
stmarysmead said:
From my reading across social media....I doubt this is going to happen. These leaders possess a world view that Khari has been victimized by society and therefore this is not his fault. He is a wonderful young man that should be allowed to pursue his dreams and go into politics...not be punished for something that society forced him to do.

He is getting a lot of sympathy from these community leaders who somehow see him as a future community leader like themselves.
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Hhhmmm - committing a cold-blooded multiple murder
of people you know
while still in high school
shortly after leaving state custody

just doesn't sound like a public servant to me.
 
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