GUILTY WI - Dr. Beth Potter and husband murdered at UW Arboretum, Madison, March 2020 *Arrests*

[Laughing]

Me either. But there is an alternate opinion out there.

Yes, and Madison is rather ripe for that opinion.

Okay, fine, let KS out of jail. With the first person willing to sign some papers accepting responsibility for KS' room, board, and actions....

Look what happened the last couple who tried that! Last thing they ever did, ya' know?

JMHO YMMV LLR

 

[stmarysmead]

Another interesting line from the AA: Miriam told LE that they were staying in the AIRBNB until “they” could get an apartment.

Really? That place wasn’t good enough?

Two unemployed high school kids?

Who did Miss Miriam expect to pay for the apartment? The Mother who spoke of how disrespectful they were to her? The Mother whose health should not have interfered with their desire to socialize during a pandemic?

And remember the tweet where she complains about how small the AIRBNB is? I bet “I’d like to cry”...was because Khari came back from the killings with no money.

Talk about entitlement. They were well matched these two.

 

[Charlot123]

I wonder how it felt to wake up to a gun in your face held by a young man you’d housed and fed for weeks...whose rent you were paying...who you allowed to sleep in your teenage daughters bed. Then to to be herded in your pajamas and sock feet...along with your husband...still in his underwear...into the cold night. Herded into a van YOU owned and lent to this individual and your daughter out of love and compassion.

What was said, what tears, what begging...we can only imagine. These victims were gentle compassionate people..

Then to be driven at gunpoint and marched into the park....sock feet on stones and gravel...so cold...probably pleading, pleading...and be forced onto the ground.

Then you see the shot go into your beloved husbands head...and you feel the pain of the shots you endure yourself. Then this boy that you have fed and housed...shoots again.

But you live, lying next to the man you love..lying there in the cold, all night, suffering.

So horrific.

and...your daughter alibis your executioner...

There is more. These people, it seems, tried to even out the unfairness of this world. They wanted to give an underprivileged girl from another country a chance in life. They tried to teach her to give back, too. They raised her according to their values, but she was different.

Did Dr. Beth feel, looking into the eyes of a cold-blooded assassin and criminal, that a mistake had been made? Did she realize that narcissism and egotism could not be evened out by the most altruistic upbringing?

It is a very complicated issue. I see many adoptive families and I admire the parents who give children such a wonderful chance in life. And most of adopted kids do well. Some extremely well. And bond with their adoptive parents.

But sometimes, seldom, things go the wrong way. Who knows why? So sad.

I don't care about KS, I think he probably has undiagnosed mental illness and this might explain his actions.

But Mimi's story I would like to know. Maybe there is more to it that meets the eye.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

I wonder how it felt to wake up to a gun in your face held by a young man you’d housed and fed for weeks...whose rent you were paying...who you allowed to sleep in your teenage daughters bed. Then to to be herded in your pajamas and sock feet...along with your husband...still in his underwear...into the cold night. Herded into a van YOU owned and lent to this individual and your daughter out of love and compassion.

What was said, what tears, what begging...we can only imagine. These victims were gentle compassionate people..

Then to be driven at gunpoint and marched into the park....sock feet on stones and gravel...so cold...probably pleading, pleading...and be forced onto the ground.

Then you see the shot go into your beloved husbands head...and you feel the pain of the shots you endure yourself. Then this boy that you have fed and housed...shoots again.

But you live, lying next to the man you love..lying there in the cold, all night, suffering.

So horrific.

and...your daughter alibis your executioner...

Ii always wonder what the victim’s last minutes were like.....I don’t know why, I just do. You were so eloquent with the above - thank u. This couple.....dang, what can I say? They were taken advantage of, abused, mis-treated, tortured, and then slaughtered. It’s so damn wrong and it just infuriates me. Even more so, the circumstances which disgust me.

 

[stmarysmead]

From the AA...“On April 5, law enforcement officers searched the woods near the Sunny Meade Air BNB and citizen witness NS’s property. UWPD Officer Derek Austin located a crumpled up piece of mail addressed to Beth Potter at her Rowley Avenue address and a cell phone that appears to have been purposefully broken.”

This is interesting as well. They were removing evidence from the van.,I’m wondering if that letter had some evidentiary significance. Why did it need to be discarded? Dr P could have left an innocent letter in the car...no big deal.

Who might have written to Dr Potter and what might be in that letter that required removing and discarding it?

Also, whose phone was destroyed? It wasn’t Miriam’s and it was not Alijah’s...both are referenced as being examined by LE. I’m thinking it was Khari’s phone. Was it really destroyed? Are they waiting on forensic tests before info from that phone leads to another arrest?

 

[kay74]

I wish we would hear from the sons.

 

[Cryptic]

I don't care about KS, I think he probably has undiagnosed mental illness and this might explain his actions.

I seriously doubt that KS has mental illness in the clinical sense. Rather, in all probability, he is completely sane.

He might have several observable behavior characteristics such as aggression, and a high ego ( such individuals view themselves as being masters at what ever they do- including murder. Murder masters, of course, never get caught.)

KS's belief that no witnesses would mean no arrest- despite leaving a trail of other evidence could indicate a low intelligence. He is still very responsible for his actions as he was able to plan the crime, enlist an accomplice and attempt to destroy evidence etc.

 

[stmarysmead]

LE says this was, at first, an attempted robbery.

He took the car and left M alone in the apartment. He picked up his friend.

I believe the AA states that the van drove back and forth many times...repeatedly passing the victims house.

Where did M think he was?

Suddenly, almost immediately after the crime, she texts him to bring the car back. Have someone pick him up...presumably to go out again.

Where did M think he needed to go?

But her texts indicate she sees the van pull up. Says it’s the accomplice. Can she see them through the window? The AA says they then were seen throwing things in the woods. Did M see that too?

I wonder where the parking was and the area where the phone and letter were found... in relation to her windows.

 

[Cryptic]

LE says this was, at first, an attempted robbery.

I wonder if it escalated to murder due to the following line of "thought" by the perpetrators:

- The victims maintained a modest life style. It is highly likely that their home, though valuable, was not large. Rather, it was valuable due to location and charm.

- Though she is a physician, her practice is family medicine, not more lucrative specialties and not elective plastic surgery "bump ups". She gives back by practicing medicine at a community clinic- not exactly the stopping place for Madison residents with good insurance featuring quick payment and high maximums.

- Their modest philosophy is continued with their choice of cars (one was VW van). The available photo depicts a person(s) happy at giving back- no power wardrobe and no expensive jewelry.

- In KS' world, even relative affluence is synonymous with bling jewelry, "large" cars of prestige brands, rolls of flash cash, and a huge home crammed full of the latest over the top gadgetry.

- As none of this is evident in the victims, M needs to assure KS that the victims really are wealthy- in fact, they have "bands of cash" on hand at all times.

- KS and his accomplice then initiate a home invasion robbery in search of the fabled "bands of cash". Surely there is bling jewelry and high end fire arms hidden in the house as well. Don't all affluent people have these things?

- KS and the accomplice only find more modesty. In a rage, they feel that the victims are 'holding out". A kidnapping is initiated to drain the bank accounts via ATM machines. This plan is then abandoned as too risky due to cameras etc. The victims are then murdered.

 

[stmarysmead]

I think you are very close to the truth.
Excellent post!

 

[mom2four717]

At 11:02 the daughter texted K saying "I don't feel safe here".
Goodness she and K are the scariest thing for miles and miles!

 

[Wild Rose]

IMO I wonder how much jealousy, entitlement, selfishness and lack of empathy for others came together in a terrible storm. I always wonder how the few and far between truly evil ones walking earth find each other. Many people would never recognize this behavior because they do not have a bad bone in their body and everyday is a brand new day not for themselves but to do some good work for others. I feel so bad for these victims and all who truly loved them.

 

[al66pine]

Daughter & Boyfriend, Deluded about $$$?

I wonder if it escalated to murder due to the following line of "thought" by the perpetrators:
- The victims maintained a modest life style....
- In KS' world, even relative affluence is synonymous with bling jewelry, "large" cars of prestige brands, rolls of flash cash,....

Don't all affluent people have these things?
- KS and the accomplice only find more modesty. In a rage, they feel that the victims are 'holding out". A kidnapping is initiated to drain the bank accounts via ATM machines. This plan is then abandoned as too risky due to cameras etc. The victims are then murdered.

@Cryptic sbm bbm Yes, agreeing w you -- on the right track about their thinking.
I wonder: Did the perps think victims were 'holding out' so decided/tried to hit ATMs and hoped to withdraw big bucks. If so, w daily ATM withdrawal limits ranging from ~$300 to $3000, they would have been sorely disappointed.
It's a crying shame that kids in US can reach age 18, and know squat about $$$, personal finance, etc. All they have is they labor under misconceptions & stereotypes - like ^ in green - about affluence.
What a tragedy these two deaths are.
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[Auntie Cipation]

Interesting, @Cryptic , and could well be accurate. Except -- KS lived in the house with them. So wouldn't he have known what to expect re bling vs modest accommodations? He still might have thought there was valuables (by his definition) hidden, though.

Do we know how long he had lived there? TIA

 

[Wild Rose]

When the white vehicle was tracked repeatedly in the family's neighborhood, I wonder if the couple was in the vehicle already being threatened for cash as they kept going by the house??? Or were they casing out the crime scene prior? Was it stated anywhere?

 

[realanastasia]

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Interesting, @Cryptic ,
Do we know how long he had lived there? TIA

The arrest affidavit said the Potter Carre’s daughter told police KS had been living with the family for 2.5 weeks.

 

[MyBelle]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed> I think the daughter was just as empathetic as her mother. Charming, sweet-talking con-artists are attracted to them like moths to a flame and women don't see it coming because the narcissism is so well-hidden...at first. Once they lure their victim into their web, they demand total control. They drive a wedge between the girlfriend and her support system. They blame everyone else for their actions. And it often boils down to greed.

Rates of domestic violence during the pandemic have escalated. I think the parents made it clear if the daughter wanted to play house, both of them needed to get jobs and support themselves. So, the killer decided they needed to be punished.

Until I learn otherwise, I'm going to treat the daughter as a victim.

JMO

Domestic violence cases increase 79 percent in Treasure Coast counties during COVID-19 pandemic

 

[airportwoman]

For the past couple years, Madison has been plagued with car thefts perpetrated by teenagers. It's the same offenders over and over --some are as young as 12.

That's happening there too? I live in the Quad Cities, and that's going on here too.

 

[stmarysmead]

The daughter’s text messages indicate she saw the van returning.


11:19:14PM- Sent a text to SD: “I hear him I think tho” 11:19:18PM- Sent a text to SD: “Like I think he just pulled up”. 11:19:20PM- Sent a text to SD: “Like w someone”. 11:19:30PM- Sent a text to SD: “But yes its him”. 11:19:30PM- Sent a text to SD: “But yes its him”.
04/07/2020 5

Did she see them pull up out of a window? Then did she see them discarding the items in the woods?



11:22:00PM- Sent a text to SD: “It’s Huncho”
11:22:07PM- Sent a text to SD: “His friend got into a situation”.

There’s only 3 minutes between when she sees them return...sees that Khari has Huncho with him.

but yet she has an “explanation” for her friend as to why Khari is not alone? How could she know anything new in 3 minutes? Excuse making? How could she know of a “situation.”

Then three minutes later...they are all together and she wants to cry but she’s still texting...still has time to text. How much talking could she have done with them...after they have been gone for hours and he wasn’t answering his phone?

11:26:37PM- Sent a text to SD, “I wanna cry rn but I’m also in a apartment w them and it’s literally 2 and a half rooms so that is fun”.

The timing doesn’t make sense to me unless she needed very little explanation.

Yet when she is interviewed by police, she has a detailed alibi up and ready to go.

 

[kay74]

Interesting, @Cryptic , and could well be accurate. Except -- KS lived in the house with them. So wouldn't he have known what to expect re bling vs modest accommodations? He still might have thought there was valuables (by his definition) hidden, though.

Do we know how long he had lived there? TIA

He only lived there for 2 weeks and she (daughter), I believe, told him they (parents) had bands of cash.