WI - ICE seeks help to ID youth in photos #2 - Identified

[Jersey*Girl]

I posted many posts yesterday afternoon/early evening questioning why the 2 particular photos where the boy's image is distorted and not what he really looks like, and then one is a side view, etc., it was a lot of thought and typing and I am NOT doing that again!

However, WHY ARE THOSE IMAGESHACK STILL PHOTOS FROM THE CHILD *advertiser censored* VIDEO STILL AVAILABLE ON IMAGESHACK? They WERE reported to ICE yesterday, and they are STILL at the link, I just took a fast peek to view that they are still there! In my opinion, whoever blurred those, blurred them in the most suggestive way possible, and I CANNOT believe what they show of the little girl. Why is that link still available to anyone/everyone that you can get to from an MSM story? is that even allowed? am I a criminal now because I was curious and reading here to see how people were trying to identify this boy and looked at the link?

I think there is more to this story than we are being led to believe, more than just an appeal to identify the boy, some kind of sting? or something going on? and I can't easily find the msnbc.com link to the story via google just now where the comment described how to get to those stills, but if that comment is still there, ICE HAS to be aware of that, they are investigating this whole situation for God's sake!

Something doesn't seem right to be about all of this, IMO, MOO, etc.

That's what I think as well!

 

[Salem]

WARNING: Please do not use the full name of minor children in the threads UNLESS it is a missing child you are trying to identify or match up. Please change names to initials. Remember - as far as we know, these are minors, not adults.

If LE names them, then it is possible that naming would be allowed, but for based on our STANDARD rules and the SENSITIVE nature of this investigation, please change names to initials.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[believe09]

The imageshack has been reported. A number of sleuthers here have said that they reported it.

I wonder if ICE/Homeland Security has to subpoena Facebook or MySpace to get identities of users etc? I know, for example, that Yahoo fights those subpoenas tooth and nail.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I don't know, I know people reported the thread, and I know that 4chan fully cooperates with investigations. I'm not a mod.

Also, update.

I personally think it's TD.

The fact that one of his facebook friends posted a similar basement got me thinking that the basement could be the place he filmed. The fact the video was specific enough to list him as with a neighbor was odd.

I went to his brother's facebook, found the MySpace friend, and found that friend's mom. I went to her pictures and there were lots of girls in the picture that could have been the age of the other victim at the time. There was a kid who looked like Taylor Druyor but was only 6 or so. The fact that his family and the couch-friend's family lived nearby and the fact couch-friend's family had a basement as well as female children that could match the ID of the other victim are my reason to believe it's Taylor Druyor.

The pictures are higher quality than the ones released for Taylor Druyor and the ones released for the unidentified child.

The fact he disappeared around the time the video was released (2010) is also my reason to believe that it's him.

Did you report this to the authorities? If so, have they acknowledged your tip? Your whole reasoning goes above & beyond. Thank you!

 

[believe09]

Taylor Druyor is a missing child, Salem. Here is a link:

http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...en_US&orgPrefix=NCMC&caseNum=1153752&seqNum=1

 

[Jacie Estes]

Tips will remain anonymous, ICE said. Anyone with information is asked to call the ICE Tip Line, which is staffed 24 hours a day, at 866-347-2423. Locally, people can also call Homeland Security Investigations at 952-853-2690 and selection option 1 and then option 4 to leave a message for the duty agent.
Tips can be emailed to SPMduty@ice.dhs.gov or submitted online at www.ice.gov/tips/

I just wanted to repost this contact info. I've just used it because I, in jumping down the rabbit hole, found something to pass on to LE. It made things much more clearer, and at the same time frightening, to me. That is all I will say because it involves minors and victims. IMHO

 

[Jersey*Girl]

The imageshack has been reported. A number of sleuthers here have said that they reported it.

I wonder if ICE/Homeland Security has to subpoena Facebook or MySpace to get identities of users etc? I know, for example, that Yahoo fights those subpoenas tooth and nail.

Believe, I would normally agree with you but things with Yahoo! changed a couple years ago when they partnered with the global fight against trafficking, work hand in hand with The Polaris Project and our government. Yahoo is a HUGE part in the recent global child *advertiser censored* ring busts worldwide now. I'll look for the link & post it for you. I know Yahoo! was easy to filter through before bc of their lackadaisical membership rules, but as of today's date all that has changed. They are now serious and being über proactive. Please give me a few seconds...

 

[Rougelatete]

Anon51: Thanks so much for coming on board and bringing this thread back to where it needed to be (I went on 4chan's board last night and was reading through the notes, wishing we could somehow join forces -- wish granted!).

I agree with you that the boy is not manipulating the camera and I wonder if it is not so much an adult feeding him instructions via online but an adult in the room who is verbally telling the boy what to do. I have not seen the video, but isn't it a possibility that an adult is in the room with them, verbally directing the actions?

Also, Anon51, have you reported the TD links/similarities you found to LE? You may be one step ahead of them....

MANY THANKS!!!!

 

[believe09]

Believe, I would normally agree with you but things with Yahoo! changed a couple years ago when they partnered with the global fight against trafficking, work hand in hand with The Polaris Project and our government. Yahoo is a HUGE part in the recent global child *advertiser censored* ring busts worldwide now. I'll look for the link & post it for you. I know Yahoo! was easy to filter through before bc of their lackadaisical membership rules, but as of today's date all that has changed. They are now serious and being über proactive. Please give me a few seconds...

Awesome-no need to look I believe you. I know for some criminal and missing cases they have thrown down about providing info. I am thrilled they drew a line when it comes to something like this.

 

[Gracelin]

Salem: Adrian is a missing child..

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/14901/0/
Adrian Dunne

 

[NavySubMom]

I don't know, I know people reported the thread, and I know that 4chan fully cooperates with investigations. I'm not a mod.

Also, update.

I personally think it's TD.

The fact that one of his facebook friends posted a similar basement got me thinking that the basement could be the place he filmed. The fact the video was specific enough to list him as with a neighbor was odd.

I went to his brother's facebook, found the MySpace friend, and found that friend's mom. I went to her pictures and there were lots of girls in the picture that could have been the age of the other victim at the time. There was a kid who looked like Taylor Druyor but was only 6 or so. The fact that his family and the couch-friend's family lived nearby and the fact couch-friend's family had a basement as well as female children that could match the ID of the other victim are my reason to believe it's Taylor Druyor.

The pictures are higher quality than the ones released for Taylor Druyor and the ones released for the unidentified child.

The fact he disappeared around the time the video was released (2010) is also my reason to believe that it's him.

I'm curious, have you or has all of this somehow about the MySpace and the neighbor/neighbor's mom been reported to the tip line that was given out? I have also seen others on some of the MSM comment boards mention Taylor Druyor, so I am assuming SOMEONE has already reported this to the tipline, or if we can easily figure this stuff out, I am sure ICE/LE/Homeland could've figured this out also. I saw Taylor Druyor's name mentioned the first day these photos/this story came out. So I would think he has to be on their radar as possibly the boy/teen?

as an aside, to whoever might know, So will ICE/LE/Homeland tell us or update us on this story, like "we have received numerous tips over the last few days", "we are investigating the many tips we received since we put this story out to the public to ask for help", those kind of things?

 

[believe09]

We have a sleuther from the first thread who reported Taylor right out of the gate when the story first broke. He/She received a return email from an ICE agent which he/she posted. That much I can assure you.

 

[NavySubMom]

The imageshack has been reported. A number of sleuthers here have said that they reported it.

I wonder if ICE/Homeland Security has to subpoena Facebook or MySpace to get identities of users etc? I know, for example, that Yahoo fights those subpoenas tooth and nail.

but can't they shut it down in the meantime? the IP addresses will still be available in a log of anyone who looked at them (me included for goodness sake!), and especially from the msnbc.com website, can't they REMOVE those comments so no one else views that imageshake site? or do they WANT them there for some reason? those still are "child *advertiser censored* without being child *advertiser censored*", there is NO reason for them to be THAT graphic if someone is just trying to aid the public with more views of that room, etc., one or two more views of the boy would've been enough, a few stills of more of the room with EVERYTHING else cropped out, one still of the girl with EVERYTHING blurred but her face would've been enough, don't you think? they even showed her little bottom and legs, there is absolutely NO reason for that if someone is trying to help IDENTIFY this guy!

I am outraged that those still are STILL THERE! ICE/Homeland Security could have the MSM comments removed in a second if they wanted, and they could also have that IMAGESHACK page with the still removed in a second if they wanted, don't you all think that? or do they still want people to access it? Child pornograhy is ILLEGAL for goodness sake, so why are the investigators leaving information on how to view it, and the webpage where the pornographic stills are still viewable, up and visible when they HAVE to know it is there?

I'm not getting any of this, sorry, but it is blowing my mind.

IMO, MOO, etc.

 

[believe09]

Here is a link to the closed thread-RCaldwell sent the tip in on Taylor-

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Immigration agency seeks help to ID youth in photos

 

[Jacie Estes]

I posted many posts yesterday afternoon/early evening questioning why the 2 particular photos where the boy's image is distorted and not what he really looks like, and then one is a side view, etc., it was a lot of thought and typing and I am NOT doing that again!

However, WHY ARE THOSE IMAGESHACK STILL PHOTOS FROM THE CHILD *advertiser censored* VIDEO STILL AVAILABLE ON IMAGESHACK? They WERE reported to ICE yesterday, and they are STILL at the link, I just took a fast peek to view that they are still there! In my opinion, whoever blurred those, blurred them in the most suggestive way possible, and I CANNOT believe what they show of the little girl. Why is that link still available to anyone/everyone that you can get to from an MSM story? is that even allowed? am I a criminal now because I was curious and reading here to see how people were trying to identify this boy and looked at the link?

I think there is more to this story than we are being led to believe, more than just an appeal to identify the boy, some kind of sting? or something going on? and I can't easily find the msnbc.com link to the story via google just now where the comment described how to get to those stills, but if that comment is still there, ICE HAS to be aware of that, they are investigating this whole situation for God's sake!

Something doesn't seem right to be about all of this, IMO, MOO, etc.

I believe that, when this whole 'story' breaks, it will shock alot of people and make them look at their basements a lot differently. IMHO

 

[believe09]

but can't they shut it down in the meantime? the IP addresses will still be available in a log of anyone who looked at them (me included for goodness sake!), and especially from the msnbc.com website, can't they REMOVE those comments so no one else views that imageshake site? or do they WANT them there for some reason? those still are "child *advertiser censored* without being child *advertiser censored*", there is NO reason for them to be THAT graphic if someone is just trying to aid the public with more views of that room, etc., one or two more views of the boy would've been enough, a few stills of more of the room with EVERYTHING else cropped out, one still of the girl with EVERYTHING blurred but her face would've been enough, don't you think? they even showed her little bottom and legs, there is absolutely NO reason for that if someone is trying to help IDENTIFY this guy!

I am outraged that those still are STILL THERE! ICE/Homeland Security could have the MSM comments removed in a second if they wanted, and they could also have that IMAGESHACK page with the still removed in a second if they wanted, don't you all think that? or do they still want people to access it? Child pornograhy is ILLEGAL for goodness sake, so why are the investigators leaving information on how to view it, and the webpage where the pornographic stills are still viewable, up and visible when they HAVE to know it is there?

I'm not getting any of this, sorry, but it is blowing my mind.

IMO, MOO, etc.

If I had to guess, I would say there is a very good reason why they havent taken it all down. IMO, it is less a conspiracy than it is information gathering. And no, I dont think people are going to be knocking on our doors. I suspect they think that someone will recognize the children in the video. And once that happens, I bet it will all disappear. I think it is safe to assume that they know who the commenter is as well. JMO.

 

[believe09]

I believe that, when this whole 'story' breaks, it will shock alot of people and make them look at their basements a lot differently. IMHO

I already have. I already have realized that telling someone that I am going to run out for a while and would they watch their (fill in the blank sister, cousin whatever) could be one of the worst mistakes I ever make.

 

[badhorsie]

I stupidly clicked on the link from the MSM site and wish I hadn't. As a child sexual abuse survivor it has made me feel very unsettled and dirty, yes, dirty. It has brought up a lot of horrible feelings that I find difficult to explain. Please don't look for the imageshack pics unless you are feeling very strong

 

[believe09]

I stupidly clicked on the link from the MSM site and wish I hadn't. As a child sexual abuse survivor it has made me feel very unsettled and dirty, yes, dirty. It has brought up a lot of horrible feelings that I find difficult to explain. Please don't look for the imageshack pics unless you are feeling very strong

I am so sorry-If you are a survivor, please heed badhorsie. It will cause some bad feelings for sure.

I am not a survivor and I dry heaved.

 

[NavySubMom]

If I had to guess, I would say there is a very good reason why they havent taken it all down. IMO, it is less a conspiracy than it is information gathering. And no, I dont think people are going to be knocking on our doors. I suspect they think that someone will recognize the children in the video. And once that happens, I bet it will all disappear. I think it is safe to assume that they know who the commenter is as well. JMO.

I don't know why it is thought I think it is a conspiracy, I do NOT think that. I am saying people spending hours sleuthing if it is a lathe in the room, or are they on a boat or in a shed, that kind of thing, is a waste of time because I think it has to be a sting, or something along those lines, I posted all of my thoughts yesterday and they are gone, no one will go back and read them, not that they are that important lol. but people were talking spending time doing an age progression, ICE/Homeland could do that in a second if it was important, or put their progression out if it was important. they have access to more kinds of software and image technology than we can even imagine.

and if we can find Taylor Druyor in a second, and so did people on the cnn.com and msnbc.com message boards identify that missing person in the first several posts, don't you think ICE/Homeland also did that immediately?

and now that I see all of the information on how to get to the very pornographic stills, and the still themselves, are still viewable confirms this in my mind. I am not talking some grand government conspiracy.

IMO, MOO, etc.