Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #37

[Side Sleuth]

Thank you. It was horrible, but I can also attest to the fact that you can go on with your life. It took my carefree innocence. I’m sure that’s Jayme’s experience, too, and it breaks my heart for her. I’m glad to hear they likely tested her. I don’t want her to worry about that. I’m sure it’s entered her mind several times over the last 3mos.

Okay. I must have missed that. I was going off of this information from the Sheriff:

What we know about Jake Patterson, suspect in kidnapping of Jayme Closs

 

[heed101]

I am wondering why a lot of posters shocked it was his first serious crime. He was only 21.

 

[The Dude]

LE stated that he was driving looking for her.

You know, they did say this, but I wonder if that's true. Jayme wasn't all that far from the house, and dog lady was walking on the road. They never said they saw him, yet he would have had to drive by twice if he'd gone home, discovered her gone and headed back out. Maybe that was one of those special option Taurus' with the invisibility package!

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

They all look harmless in School pics: These Old Serial Killer Yearbook Photos Will Send Chills Up Your Spine

What kid in Wisconsin wouldn't want to escape that winter weather by going on the senior trip to Florida? Only reason I can think of is no money to go.

JMO

 

[Bravo]

Okay. I must have missed that. I was going off of this information from the Sheriff:

What we know about Jake Patterson, suspect in kidnapping of Jayme Closs

That was an early report. I asked the question early in and was advised LE stated he was not hunting her down. Shortly thereafter LE stated he was out hunting for her. How they know I don't know.

 

[singlemom]

I believe this. Today many children are victims of family breakup. Others have parents who have little time for them. Thousands of young ones have grown up with inadequate moral and family guidance. Some experts feel that such an environment may result in children’s not developing the ability to bond well with others....and yes, making it easier for them to commit crimes against fellow humans, often without remorse. This is what I see in JP......

Personally, I'm a survivor of family breakup. I don't consider myself a victim. And I don't think of him as a victim either. JMO

 

[Rubiconbob]

JP would have been about 13 years old when his parents divorced.

Wouldn’t he be closer to 11/ grade school ??

 

[Marli61]

One thing to note is that at this time, there still have not been any sexual assault charges against JP.

Is it possible this charge will be added later after LE had a chance to question Jayme? Or is it possible that since he will be most likely charged with 2 murders & kidnapping, they will leave the sexual assault charge (if there was sa) out since they would most likely have enough already to put him away for life?
Just to reference other cases: in E. Smart's case no one was murdered so they had to use everything they could against that perp. In J. Dugard's case, same thing. I'm just wondering if there's a possibility that part will be left out as to not traumatize Jayme any further. Just tossing around ideas that may not be very good ones...

 

[Lillymac]

An actual mastermind would have actually secured his prisoner before heading out to meander around the tundra. If not for that rocket scientist move, we still wouldn't know where Jayme is.

88 days is a long time to be spent with no other contact than JP. She may have built up some sort of trust in him. We really have no idea what went on. She said he told her he had been in the military, so at some point they had a conversation. I can see her developing a plan to get him to trust her. She had no outward signs of abuse. Maybe he thought he had won her over and she wouldn't try to run away.
I definitely believe his plan was to groom her and keep her as his companion, wife whatever.

 

[DutchTreat]

An actual mastermind would have actually secured his prisoner before heading out to meander around the tundra. If not for that rocket scientist move, we still wouldn't know where Jayme is.

I think that's where he messed up because that's where social interaction comes in. Did he get overly confident. Did Jayme outsmart him (socially). Or was it something like 'equipment failure'. We don't know.

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

Thank you. It was horrible, but I can also attest to the fact that you can go on with your life. It took my carefree innocence. I’m sure that’s Jayme’s experience, too, and it breaks my heart for her. I’m glad to hear they likely tested her. I don’t want her to worry about that. I’m sure it’s entered her mind several times over the last 3mos.

Watching Jayme in the news special, her eyes were shining so bright and alert. I thought she didn’t look like someone that had been sexually abused during her capture. (Just my own opinion)

 

[Mom24]

I am wondering why a lot of posters shocked it was his first serious crime. He was only 21.

It's a crime that's fraught with a lot of potential misses and it's aggressive, highly aggressive.
It would be like making a wedding cake if you've never baked or even cooked before. It's doable, but highly unlikely.
To go from a quiet, never in trouble kid to this is a jump. No aggression reported from his school, in other words he wasn't used to "taking on" another person. It's reported he did some wrestling early on, and that would give him some confidence in being physically aggressive with another person, but it wasn't an activity he did for years. He broke into someone's private home, while they were home. Two adults. Not an elderly couple, but two adults who were both ambulatory. Guns in the homes in most places in that area. He'd stand more of chance of getting shot than being successful, he didn't hesitate, he was quick and methodical, he didn't have an issue with being in an unfamiliar home with two adults who were armed. Yet he was a quiet kid in school who never got into trouble.
Let that sink in, he never got into trouble. No trouble. He didn't invade people's personal space, he didn't sit at the back of the room carving his initials in the desk, he didn't peep into windows, he didn't steal things off his teacher's desk, no pushing or shoving, no aggressive behavior or boundary issues.
Each thing he did was crossing a boundary, breaking into a home, shooting the residents, grabbing their child, evading the police, holding her hostage for months. Each of those actions were crossing a boundary, a huge boundary, and yet he did it having never crossed any boundaries before other than siphoning gas once? I'm not buying it, IMO.

 

[Quill]

His mother moved to the small town where Jayme's dance class was. Perhaps on a visit there to see his mother, he saw Jayme and her mother having something to eat in a local diner before dance class. In a small town like that people repeat their routines and if he knew that Jayme was there every Tuesday evening for instance he would easily be able to track her through the dance studio on line presence. He could easily follow her home to see where she lived and then check out the house when they were at work and school. It is very easy to do, I think, especially if the people being stalked have no idea it is happening. Look how much websleuthers find out, he could do the same.

Great post. I have been thinking about this type scenario, as well. I think it is very possible.

 

[sleuther0192837465]

Wanted to share this. I copied in pasted for those that can not read from the link. I apologize if it has already been posted:
Ex-kidnapping victim: Jayme Closs needs space, time to heal

Ex-kidnapping victim: Jayme Closs needs space, time to heal
Katie Beers was abducted, kept in concrete bunker 26 years ago

Updated: 11:33 AM CST Jan 13, 2019
Jayme Closs had been found alive in rural Wisconsin nearly three months after police say a man shot and killed her parents then abducted the girl from their home.

"She is going to have to grieve the loss of her parents and also come to terms with the fact she was abducted, escaped and whatever (other) hell she went through," said Beers. "And it's not going to be easy."
Beers knows that better than most.

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[Ragnarok]

Is it possible this charge will be added later after LE had a chance to question Jayme? Or is it possible that since he will be most likely charged with 2 murders & kidnapping, they will leave the sexual assault charge (if there was sa) out since they would most likely have enough already to put him away for life?
Just to reference other cases: in E. Smart's case no one was murdered so they had to use everything they could against that perp. In J. Dugard's case, same thing. I'm just wondering if there's a possibility that part will be left out as to not traumatize Jayme any further. Just tossing around ideas that may not be very good ones...

I've wondered that they may not. With Jayme a witness to the crimes I don't see how JP can avoid a life sentence without parole. My concern is that if JP does get out decades from now he wouldn't be on the register. Really don't want Jayme to have to testify about what ever else happened.

 

[SeekingJana]

This is something that’s been nagging at me. I have heard nothing on this. It’s my concern. Do you guys think the hospital did a pregnancy test? Surely...right? After my rape, I was terrified for weeks that I was pregnant by one my 2 rapists. It was terrifying and I’ve never forgotten it. I keep worrying about her. Please know, this is just my concern. There is no link, this isn’t a rumor. I’m just worried. JMO, MOO.

Speaking as to how we helped a survivor of a sexual trauma, but never a kidnapped recovered long term survivor..
They would have already drawn blood for the most sensitive blood pregnancy test, as well as the sexually transmitted diseases which are detectable through blood more reliably than other fluids. Likewise, a rape kit taken using forensic protocols with a female LE officer present to start legal chain of custody would be done for forensic testing. ( Some depts. still have no or minimal female officers and the GYN. specialist who performs the exam will be the one who seals and initials the rape kit along with starting the paperwork which accompanies the kit.)

A separate pelvic exam ( uses different standards of specimen collection and handling and goes to the hospital lab for testing quickly) using her cells and fluid from the exam will be cultured to check for the less serious STIs. The doctor would also check for the earliest symptoms of pregnancy, which show up on a pelvic exam after 6 weeks but well before 12 weeks, but are presumptive signs, not diagnostic.
She may or may not have been given a Rx for precautionary antibiotics, but some doctors do start the ones most likely to treat a wide variety of STIs rather than let them grow until the lab testing has finished.

This is my experience. That of other nurses may vary. She likely was mildly sedated for the invasive processes due to her age and overall trauma.

 

[Ellmau]

Reference a comment in the last thread about whether he was clever: "As for Jake Patterson, the superintendent of the different school district (Northwood) he once attended labeled him quiet and a good student in an interview with The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, and said he was a member of the high school quiz bowl team." https://heavy.com/news/2019/01/jake-patterson/

Although a graduating class of 34 means there may not have been a lot of competition for spots.

 

[Mom24]

88 days is a long time to be spent with no other contact than JP. She may have built up some sort of trust in him. We really have no idea what went on. She said he told her he had been in the military, so at some point they had a conversation. I can see her developing a plan to get him to trust her. She had no outward signs of abuse. Maybe he thought he had won her over and she wouldn't try to run away.
I definitely believe his plan was to groom her and keep her as his companion, wife whatever.

He may have tested her before. Left her and told her he wouldn't be back until midnight, but came back after 20 mins and she hadn't moved.
It's apparent he must have come back to check on her because she told the people who saved her that he said he would be gone until midnight, yet he was arrested at about 4:45pm, that's not midnight. I'm going to laid odds that he was leaving her for longer and longer periods of time, and she took the chance to make a break for it this time.

 

[StarEyes]

NO conscience, NO empathy can also develop after traumatic events. I would not be surprised if it comes out that he’s been sexually assaulted.

With all due respect, that’s not true for many sexually abused people. I’ve always had great empathy both before and after my rape. It’s actually helped me to speak with rape survivors and be a mentor. I had an incident as a child as well. I know a lot of people abused at all ages. While I’m sure that can be true of a few, it’s not the norm. I see Jayme maintaining empathy as well. She’s strong and has been taught good morals and values. jmo.

 

[newsjunkie]

There was concern about names of neighbors not involved being on the thread. I cleaned up the image we have been using. Won’t hurt my feelings if someone else does a nicer version.