Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #39

[StarEyes]

I don’t mind that the perp’s father wrote a letter to the Closs family. In Kelsey’s case, there was outrage that the other family never acknowledged the Berreth’s loss etc..

I think it’s a very kind thing to write them a letter. I hope it was brief, though. I think I’d leave it at that for now. jmo, of course.

 

[Inthedetails]

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I agree. If from the heart it can help to heal. Professionally I always gave letters of similar nature to the judge to handle. Personally (and we all differ) I found healing the day I walked into the funeral home parking lot after being told the young man involved in my sons death wanted to pay his respects but was afraid to come in. I took his hand, told him I forgave him and walked in with him. People thought I was crazy. But it was my first step to healing. I can't speak for JP or JC's family. It's up to them.

My mother did something similar, fwiw. I was grateful for my mom's example - it felt like she gave me ground to stand on.

Grief has a life of it's own, almost uncontrollable (and at times unbearable) as it grows and eventually fades. Perhaps forgiveness has a life of it's own too, and we don't really lead the way as much as follow the call when we hear it. IDK.

 

[Scrapper18]

I don't either. The Closs family is free to read it or not, or share it with Jayme or not. I respect the fact that the Patterson family has said almost nothing to the press (I think only the grandfather has said a few words), and I'm glad they kept whatever they want to share with the Closs family private.

Agree completely.

I think I’m in the minority here when I say this. I think a private letter to Jayme’s family (not Jayme, her family) was the best thing PP could do. I believe it showed true empathy, humility and decency. By passing a private letter to the family, through appropriate hands, PP kept his sentiments private and allowed this case to continue to be centered around Jayme as the victim.

Often times when a defendant’s family speaks publicly I get the feeling they are doing it for show. They think it is the right thing to do. They also do it to garner sympathy for themselves. PP avoided this trap.

IMO, he doesn’t need/want the public nor media’s sympathy or spotlight. Instead, he simply wants to see Jayme and her family healed. He did what he felt he needed to do to help, in whatever way he could, the Closs family heal.

JMO, what PP did takes a lot more guts and integrity than standing behind microphones at a press conference. I’ve said it before, and I’m standing behind it. Unless evidence is presented otherwise, I believe the Patterson family are victims as well and I believe they are grieving the loss of a son that they now wonder if they ever really knew.

All JMO, stepping off soap box now.

 

[ilovechili]

Jayme Closs' kidnapper lived in 'time warp' without smart phone, former neighbor says | Daily Mail Online
The alleged killer-kidnapper accused of imprisoning Jayme Closs lived in a weird 'time warp' world without a smart phone, social media or even an internet connection, DailyMail.com can exclusively reveal.

Loner Jake Patterson, 21, instead spent his free time holed up inside his family's isolated woodland cabin poring over outdoor survival guides and books about the military.

TR, a longtime former neighbor, told DailyMail.com that Patterson seemed baffled when he first asked him at high school if he had a Facebook account.

'He stared at me blankly and said he wasn't interested in having one. He didn't even seem to have an email account to log onto, he was strictly a notes and paper guy,' TR said.

'His family were nice people but Jake's life was like something from a time warp. If he had a cell phone it was not a smart phone. All he was interested in was books.

'He didn't socialize, he didn't have what you would call real friends, just acquaintances. He just wanted to get home to read about survival and the military.'

‘The last time I was in the house was about two and a half years ago,’ added TR, 21.

‘I never really spent time in Jake’s room but from what I remember he had a twin bed and a nightstand in the corner with at least a dozen books piled up on it.

‘It was just a typical room – minus the computer.’

And yet his maternal grandfather said he would play computer games rather than socialize with family. To be fair, that does not mean he had that access now. Just shows the very opposing media accounts that come out about everything. If he was highly into computer games, I am not sure I buy that he was in a "time warp". Yet I guess years ago, you could play solitaire on a computer and not have internet...

 

[Hope4More]

Why would his family even think they need to do anything? Why would they treat what we know at this moment of his behavior, as a crisis at all, when it's relatively mundane in comparison with many others, and when hundreds of thousands of people display similar behaviors without harming anyone?

Was he threatening to kill people? Assaulting people? Publicizing manifestos such that people could see his intentions? I mean all of that is crisis behavior. Just being an isolated loner simply isn't, as much as we all think it should be. Because there are far too many people like that in the world who are totally harmless. This kind of behavior is so rare it just doesn't seem to be something anyone can predict without more than the behaviors he displayed.

I mean he did nothing that would even merit close to an involuntary psych assessment or a LE crisis team visit. He just lived alone, played video games, and couldn't hold a job or make it through boot camp.

Yes, a young woman says he slashed her mom's car tires when they broke up, in high school. That would be a red flag then and may have been addressed by the parents. Then what?

It's not a matter of people thinking they can't do anything, so they do nothing. It's a matter of do something about what, exactly? "Doctor. My 21 year old is a loner and likes video games. He can't hold a job. Years ago he slashed someone's tires. What can I do?" "Is he expressing suicidal thoughts?" "Not that I know of." "Has he threatened to harm himself or others?" "No". "Okay, well tell him to come in and I can assess him for possible depression or social anxiety." "He says he's fine. He just likes be by himself." "Well, perhaps you can see a therapist yourself. Learn to let him become less dependent. Otherwise, there are no signs of a crisis."

I think of the Isla Vista shooter. There were incredible and real red flags of a crisis. Absolute and clear threats to harm himself and others. Actual assaults on people before he finally began his massacre. His parents were diligent and zealous and persistent in getting him help - multiple therapists since the age of 8, psychiatric care, contacting the police with concerns about his on-line manifestos and increasingly bizarre behavior.

But nothing could stop him or what was to come.

And this guy displayed nothing (that we know of yet), close to what someone like that Isla Vista dude did. Not close. So why would JP's family or teachers or anyone think there is a grave danger they need to address? And how could it even begin to prevent such a thing as this?

Yes. And yes. And yes. Caveat: based on the verified information available so far.

Then toss in- he was legally an adult, and (less relevant) not living with either parent. In our current system of mental health care, after the age of 18 he would have had to consent to mental health care of any kind, including meds, much less anything more restrictive.

 

[StarEyes]

None at all. Don't know if it's the way he grew up or if his parents noticed something off about him and decided to take steps to prevent him from going online and wreaking havoc. I imagine most kids want to be online nowadays, especially if they're gamers (who game with others online).

The article stated he read Survivalist and Military books a lot. Some survivalists want to live with as little online info about them as possible. jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

I've wondered if this purposely made both his father and sister "complicit" in a twisted way. Driving his sister's car. Making Jayme put on his sister's pajamas, and perhaps other of his sister's clothes. Having his father over to the cabin, shooting the breeze, his father unaware, while Jayme cowered under his bed, afraid to move.

Snipped by me.

This is my hunch. I think he soiled on his family as he committed this crime (not that I think they are soiled, please think that of me, but I am describing what I think he did).

I think he is full of rage or resentment or whatever against the world, including his family, even if he seemed "fine" with them.

His actions just seem so resentful with passive-aggressive laziness and dependency, as well as leaving this horrible mess for them to cope with for years to come. He soiled the home they provided for him, which is pathological, imo. Armchair opinion only.

jmo

 

[Sjm_qc]

It was Saratoga Liquors in Superior:

Patterson applied for job the day before Jayme Closs escape
KARE 11's Lou Raguse has confirmed that Jake Patterson applied online for a job at Saratoga Liquors in Superior the day before Jayme's brave escape and his arrest on murder and kidnapping charges. In his application, Patterson wrote "I'm an honest and hardworking guy. Not much work experience, but I show up to work and I'm a quick learner."

On the application, which a Saratoga co-owner shared with KARE 11, Patterson listed his work history without mentioning the two-day stints he spent at Jennie-O and Saputo Cheese, where he was working when he allegedly spotted Jayme getting on the school bus and decided to kidnap her. Among the work experiences he listed:

• Quanex Building Products, Rice Lake, Oct '16-Jan '17
• Marine Corps Boot Camp, San Diego, Apr '17-Dec '17
• Bohmann Concrete, Hayward, WI, Apr '18-Nov '18

Reporter Raguse tweeted that the work history appears embellished, as the Marines kicked Patterson out after just five weeks of basic training, and authorities say he was not working at the time of the kidnapping, which is in direct conflict to the claim he was working at Bohmann Concrete during that time frame.

KB with Bohmann Concrete also called KARE 11 to confirm that Patterson filled out an application to work at Bohmann, but was never employed there.

Just noting that the “employment” details quoted here correspond to the anonymous resume that’s been floating around for a few days but which is not linkable here.

Also noting that the Marines’ bootcamp details are 2 years off & in addition the actual months don’t match.

Not saying these employers are wrong, just noting for possible future reference.

 

[Inthedetails]

Agree completely.

I think I’m in the minority here when I say this. I think a private letter to Jayme’s family (not Jayme, her family) was the best thing PP could do. I believe it showed true empathy, humility and decency. By passing a private letter to the family, through appropriate hands, PP kept his sentiments private and allowed this case to continue to be centered around Jayme as the victim.

Often times when a defendant’s family speaks publicly I get the feeling they are doing it for show. They think it is the right thing to do. They also do it to garner sympathy for themselves. PP avoided this trap.

IMO, he doesn’t need/want the public nor media’s sympathy or spotlight. Instead, he simply wants to see Jayme and her family healed. He did what he felt he needed to do to help, in whatever way he could, the Closs family heal.

JMO, what PP did takes a lot more guts and integrity than standing behind microphones at a press conference. I’ve said it before, and I’m standing behind it. Unless evidence is presented otherwise, I believe the Patterson family are victims as well and I believe they are grieving the loss of a son that they now wonder if they ever really knew.

All JMO, stepping off soap box now.

ITA

 

[PommyMommy]

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[Get off my Lawn!]

Have you read the only official source for information post-arrest that we have so far?

To take just one example you mention, taping JC’s mouth/head: both JC & perpetrator describe this.

Page 6 & page 9 of http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/jayme+closs+complaint.pdf

JLC does not mention tape around her head.
"The defendant stated he pulled out a flattened partial roll of black colored Gorilla brand duct tape, handed it to Denise, and told her to place the tape over J.L.C.’s mouth. The defendant stated Denise was struggling to do that and he set the shotgun down on the bathroom sink. The defendant stated he took the tape from Denise and wrapped tape around J.L.C.’s mouth, and completely around her head. The defendant stated he then had J.L.C. stand up where he then took tape and placed it around her wrists, with her palms together to restrain her hands and arms. The defendant stated he then took the tape and wrapped it around J.L.C.’s ankles.

J.L.C. stated

Patterson told her mother to put tape over J.L.C.’s mouth, which her mother did, and then Patterson shot her mother. J.L.C. stated both her mother and father were shot one tIme. J.L.C. stated that Patterson taped her hands and ankles together and dragged her out to his car. J.L.C. described the tape as being black in color. J.L.C. stated Patterson taped her hands such that her hands were behind her back.

When they got to the house, J.L.C. stated Patterson took her to a hallway and made her sit down and stay there. J.L.C. stated he then removed the tape from her mouth, hands, and ankles."
Also, just noticed that JP describes taping hands palms together but J.L.C. describes her hands taped behind her

 

[Seattle1]

Am I correct that JP has his step fathers last name?

That's not correct. However, it's been reported that JP did use his mom/step-dad's address for voter registration.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Why would his family even think they need to do anything? Why would they treat what we know at this moment of his behavior, as a crisis at all, when it's relatively mundane in comparison with many others, and when hundreds of thousands of people display similar behaviors without harming anyone?

Was he threatening to kill people? Assaulting people? Publicizing manifestos such that people could see his intentions? I mean all of that is crisis behavior. Just being an isolated loner simply isn't, as much as we all think it should be. Because there are far too many people like that in the world who are totally harmless. This kind of behavior is so rare it just doesn't seem to be something anyone can predict without more than the behaviors he displayed.

I mean he did nothing that would even merit close to an involuntary psych assessment or a LE crisis team visit. He just lived alone, played video games, and couldn't hold a job or make it through boot camp.

Yes, a young woman says he slashed her mom's car tires when they broke up, in high school. That would be a red flag then and may have been addressed by the parents. Then what?

It's not a matter of people thinking they can't do anything, so they do nothing. It's a matter of do something about what, exactly? "Doctor. My 21 year old is a loner and likes video games. He can't hold a job. Years ago he slashed someone's tires. What can I do?" "Is he expressing suicidal thoughts?" "Not that I know of." "Has he threatened to harm himself or others?" "No". "Okay, well tell him to come in and I can assess him for possible depression or social anxiety." "He says he's fine. He just likes be by himself." "Well, perhaps you can see a therapist yourself. Learn to let him become less dependent. Otherwise, there are no signs of a crisis."

I think of the Isla Vista shooter. There were incredible and real red flags of a crisis. Absolute and clear threats to harm himself and others. Actual assaults on people before he finally began his massacre. His parents were diligent and zealous and persistent in getting him help - multiple therapists since the age of 8, psychiatric care, contacting the police with concerns about his on-line manifestos and increasingly bizarre behavior.

But nothing could stop him or what was to come.

And this guy displayed nothing (that we know of yet), close to what someone like that Isla Vista dude did. Not close. So why would JP's family or teachers or anyone think there is a grave danger they need to address? And how could it even begin to prevent such a thing as this?

I enjoy your perspectives in such matters G and you deliver them in a concise, direct, and not overly biased or emotional way. It's always refreshing to read, thanks.

 

[ilovechili]

My mother did something similar, fwiw. I was grateful for my mom's example - it felt like she gave me ground to stand on.

Grief has a life of it's own, almost uncontrollable (and at times unbearable) as it grows and eventually fades. Perhaps forgiveness has a life of it's own too, and we don't really lead the way as much as follow the call when we hear it. IDK.

A lot of that, imho, can have a lot to do with details, intent or whether the person involved shows any remorse--as to how easily forgiveness comes. I know the platitude and belief that forgiveness is for our own health and not for the perpetrator and I know if one believes in God, we feel we should forgive, but each come to it in their own time and some never can depending on many factors. IMO it is made much harder if the perpetrator shows no remorse nor seems to comprehend what they did or shoulder any of the blame. While this perp may have confessed, so far as we know, he shows absolutely no signs of remorse thus far...

I agree with everything you said though, it is just different for all I think. One can look at Lacey Peterson's mom and totally understand her grief and hatred(?) because we have a smirky individual who has never taken one iota of blame nor responsibility. Then in another case, we can have someone that has regret and one can see it and tell and who just made a horrible mistake.

I would have trouble in the Closs case of forgiving a planned double murder and abduction.

But that is just my own opinion.

 

[Justice101]

Following...

 

[cody22]

Jayme Closs' kidnapper lived in 'time warp' without smart phone, former neighbor says | Daily Mail Online
The alleged killer-kidnapper accused of imprisoning Jayme Closs lived in a weird 'time warp' world without a smart phone, social media or even an internet connection, DailyMail.com can exclusively reveal.

Loner Jake Patterson, 21, instead spent his free time holed up inside his family's isolated woodland cabin poring over outdoor survival guides and books about the military.

TR, a longtime former neighbor, told DailyMail.com that Patterson seemed baffled when he first asked him at high school if he had a Facebook account.

'He stared at me blankly and said he wasn't interested in having one. He didn't even seem to have an email account to log onto, he was strictly a notes and paper guy,' TR said.

'His family were nice people but Jake's life was like something from a time warp. If he had a cell phone it was not a smart phone. All he was interested in was books.

'He didn't socialize, he didn't have what you would call real friends, just acquaintances. He just wanted to get home to read about survival and the military.'

‘The last time I was in the house was about two and a half years ago,’ added TR, 21.

‘I never really spent time in Jake’s room but from what I remember he had a twin bed and a nightstand in the corner with at least a dozen books piled up on it.

‘It was just a typical room – minus the computer.’

I do not have a "smart phone"......... Does that make me a possible "time warped" future criminal ?.......Pommy, now you got me worried about myself..... I think I hear voices........?? ........MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Agree completely.

I think I’m in the minority here when I say this. I think a private letter to Jayme’s family (not Jayme, her family) was the best thing PP could do. I believe it showed true empathy, humility and decency. By passing a private letter to the family, through appropriate hands, PP kept his sentiments private and allowed this case to continue to be centered around Jayme as the victim.

Often times when a defendant’s family speaks publicly I get the feeling they are doing it for show. They think it is the right thing to do. They also do it to garner sympathy for themselves. PP avoided this trap.

IMO, he doesn’t need/want the public nor media’s sympathy or spotlight. Instead, he simply wants to see Jayme and her family healed. He did what he felt he needed to do to help, in whatever way he could, the Closs family heal.

JMO, what PP did takes a lot more guts and integrity than standing behind microphones at a press conference. I’ve said it before, and I’m standing behind it. Unless evidence is presented otherwise, I believe the Patterson family are victims as well and I believe they are grieving the loss of a son that they now wonder if they ever really knew.

All JMO, stepping off soap box now.

Very well stated IMO

 

[Inthedetails]

A lot of that, imho, can have a lot to do with details, intent or whether the person involved shows any remorse--as to how easily forgiveness comes. I know the platitude and belief that forgiveness is for our own health and not for the perpetrator and I know if one believes in God, we feel we should forgive, but each come to it in their own time and some never can depending on many factors. IMO it is made much harder if the perpetrator shows no remorse nor seems to comprehend what they did or shoulder any of the blame. While this perp may have confessed, so far as we know, he shows absolutely no signs of remorse thus far...

I agree with everything you said though, it is just different for all I think. One can look at Lacey Peterson's mom and totally understand her grief and hatred(?) because we have a smirky individual who has never taken one iota of blame nor responsibility. Then in another case, we can have someone that has regret and one can see it and tell and who just made a horrible mistake.

I would have trouble in the Closs case of forgiving a planned double murder and abduction.

But that is just my own opinion.

I absolutely think forgiveness is different for everyone (I missed making that clear). I feel the same way about grief. You can't predict what grief will do with you....and I think forgiveness is somewhat similar, though, obviously, a different feeling and experience.

I have the utmost respect for both the journey through grief and the journey through forgiveness and am also respectful that the journey is different for each person, in each circumstance. They are, imo, unpredictable journeys.

Okay, enough of those musings from me.....


jmo

 

[bechk45]

Perhaps the experience of his older brother meeting a minor online and the resulting criminal charges steered JTP into avoidance of social media.
On another note, JTP's father seems authentically contrite, and offering a private note rather than any public statement evidences humility & shame. Yet he shows up to support the son he cannot comprehend -while the mother is in hiding. Remembering that there is no license examination granting the privilege of parenthood, it might be interesting to see the parent's respective roles in JTP's personality.

He actually showed up to the sentencing and sat on the Closs side. He was told by a deputy to move to his son's side. I don't have information on if that was intentional or not.

 

[MCDRAW]

So was looking for a black SUV a needle in a haystack, just saying. And the Taurus was passed by LE per the perp within 20 seconds of him leaving the driveway? It could be a witness in the area if nothing else. The SUV had no plates provided either two possible models and a wide range of years. Not getting down on LE maybe there was a good reason, just think it should be looked at in hindsight and for future cases (of which in a perfect world, there would be none)... But it is easier to be an armchair quarterback...

Were any of the vehicles found?