Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #42

[ilovechili]

I found the school schedule. 8 - 3:20. The bus schedule could be very different. We don't know if her stop was at the beginning or end of the route.

Pretty sure it would be at the end and a rural bus coming back in towards town. I just know that years ago I would wait behind one occasion (where they were picking up on the south side of the road) and I had to be to work at 8. I remember it only because I would be thinking, come on now, get moving, I have like ten minutes to be on time...

Of course that does not mean it is the same today and I admit I have no idea. There could also be an elementary run and a middle/high school run, etc. but it is a small district and so many people take their children these days to school and do not use the bus that I doubt they do more runs than necessary. But just totally guessing.

So either way, though, if his bus account is true, he certainly was not appearing to work at the Saputo 6 a.m. shift right? And even if scheduled for 8, he was not on the early side most likely for his trip for a first day, or was it the second day, not sure...

Still bothers me they say he was behind the bus too. Wrong direction.

Things to ponder. Helps to know the school schedule though since some schools these days are trying new schedules and starting earlier or later than the standard usual 8 a.m. area of time we are all used to.

 

[Rubiconbob]

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[ab01]

I also wonder if its possible that JTP may have insisted on them coming over to his house bc he didn't want to leave for and extended period of time? His thinking may have been that it would be less likely for someone to find JC at is house, Than if he left her alone all day and she escaped? Maybe family then convinced him to go with them to the grandparents? Or maybe the grandparents was simply on another day. I think its pretty chilling to learn that JTP could act normal with people in the very house that he was holding somebody captive.

 

[ilovechili]

I'll bet this is how he got by. No mtg, no rent, no car payment. Just odd jobs to pay a little here and there. That makes sense to me.
Ha! When my grandson was little and lived in CO he had a whole business going on, snow removal in his neighborhood. He would get the business and his little buddies would work for him! Lol.

I don't know. If we go by the Haugen store owner, he smoked and that is one expensive habit. It would take more than an odd job or two here and there to keep yourself just in smokes and gas. And Gordon is not exactly very populated. And like many, I don't think JTP was very motivated to do anything, based on job record, etc. I can believe he did some odd jobs, I just do not believe it was his source of support in general... imo anyhow.

 

[ab01]

I also wonder if its possible that JTP may have insisted on them coming over to his house bc he didn't want to leave for and extended period of time? His thinking may have been that it would be less likely for someone to find JC at is house, Than if he left her alone all day and she escaped? Maybe family then convinced him to go with them to the grandparents? Or maybe the grandparents was simply on another day. I think its pretty chilling to learn that JTP could act normal with people in the very house that he was holding somebody captive.

It also makes me wonder if he (horrible to think about) bound and gagged her while he had others in the house. The more I learn about what this poor child went through the harder it is to imagine the horrors she likely endured for 88 horrific days. MOO

 

[Rubiconbob]

Its not unusual for families to have more than one Christmas gathering. Especially split families. I don't think there is any reason to believe that the family should have or could have known what was going on. I doubt they would have had a specific reason to go snoop around in JTP bedroom. I'm sure they are horrified to know that JC was there under his bed the entire time....MOO

Not to mention it had to come up in conversation, there’s a National story about missing girl, your one hour away. I’m sure mom and dad will be replaying his comments for next 20 yrs.....whatever he said...

If parents said they thought had to be smart team of 4/5 people with military training he’d likely do cartwheels in yard...

 

[ilovechili]

I thought he went to his grandparents for Christmas.

It reads to me like his father and sister stopped by with their SO's, as opposed to him "hosting a gathering". Maybe afterward, he went to his grandparents. Would there be any reason for them to check under his bed or enter his room for any reason? It's not that surprising to me, but for the people who were there when Jayme was there, it must haunt them.

I agree it must haunt his family. And the way Christmas fell this year, I was to more than one Christmas gathering with family. As for hard to believe, I mean the perp thought to "host" a gathering. Was he trying to bother her that it was Christmas and she was alone while he had people over? Did he play music while trying to talk with at least five people present? I thought he did not interact depending on which friend or news article a person believes, even with family? And now he is hosting gatherings? I guess my point is this article too just brings more questions than answers. If it can be believed.

And it also shows, there is more to come out, as this is something that to my knowledge was previously unknown. What are we, just 12 days past her escape? Records, computers, interviews, putting things together, going through evidence...

 

[ilovechili]

Wow! From the article:

He held a Christmas Day gathering for family members at "Patterson Retreat," the former family home that Patterson is accused of turning into a prison for 13-year-old Jayme Closs.

While the family marked the holiday, the houseguests had no idea that another person was there — the terrified girl Patterson was holding captive, forced to stay hidden under a twin bed, sources told reporters for the USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin.

Barron County Sheriff Chris Fitzgerald wouldn't confirm the Christmas gathering, saying he wouldn't know whether such an event took place.

But two law-enforcement sources separately said the visitors included two members of Patterson's immediate family and the people they were dating.

"The family was there," one source said. Patterson "told (Jayme) that if she made a noise or tried to escape, he would kill her."

One source identified Patterson's father and sister as the family members who made the Christmas visit to the ramshackle house at 14166 S. Eau Claire Acres Circle in Gordon, a town of about 750 located about 70 miles north of Jayme's home town of Barron.

The second source confirmed that the investigation had found that those family members visited Patterson on Christmas.

I do not want to cast suspicion on his family without reason but I do wonder did no one ever stop in this house unannounced? I think if I as a parent had a child living in a home I owned and/or was worried about them or wanted them to take care of it, get a job, make sure they were there and the pipes did not freeze, the furnace stop working, etc., I would on occasion pop in as it is my house. To hide her and to warn her, he had to have known they were coming. It also may make a bit of sense as to the Christmas decorations, the few odd ones put up and lights strung. He was going to host a gathering... Boy nothing makes one bit of sense in this case. A loner having a family gathering? There must be so much we do not yet know.

 

[JudgeJoe]

The fact that JP's father showed up for the hearing says something. The fact that his mother and sister did not also says something. (I wouldn't be surprised if JP's childhood behavior contributed to the divorce. Maybe the father was more tolerant and made excuses?) MOO

Parents can continue to love a child even when he does something evil. I remember the parents of Jeffrey Daumer (sp?) speaking of him with great love and forgiveness in interviews. Same with the Seattle arsonist whose father turned him in.

I wonder if it was maternal or paternal grandmother who hosted JP for Christmas.

Yes... this perp’s family seems blatantly split down gender lines. F silent & absent in aftermath, M present & supportive. Could mean nothing- maybe still just divorce animosity. Maybe F feel pressured by MSM or threats. Could mean everything- and much more relevant to perp’s unravelling into serious criminal. We may or may not ever know.

 

[Mom24]

Wow! From the article:

He held a Christmas Day gathering for family members at "Patterson Retreat," the former family home that Patterson is accused of turning into a prison for 13-year-old Jayme Closs.

While the family marked the holiday, the houseguests had no idea that another person was there — the terrified girl Patterson was holding captive, forced to stay hidden under a twin bed, sources told reporters for the USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin.

Barron County Sheriff Chris Fitzgerald wouldn't confirm the Christmas gathering, saying he wouldn't know whether such an event took place.

But two law-enforcement sources separately said the visitors included two members of Patterson's immediate family and the people they were dating.

"The family was there," one source said. Patterson "told (Jayme) that if she made a noise or tried to escape, he would kill her."

One source identified Patterson's father and sister as the family members who made the Christmas visit to the ramshackle house at 14166 S. Eau Claire Acres Circle in Gordon, a town of about 750 located about 70 miles north of Jayme's home town of Barron.

The second source confirmed that the investigation had found that those family members visited Patterson on Christmas.

What the....!!! Talk about brazen!

 

[Mom24]

I also wonder if its possible that JTP may have insisted on them coming over to his house bc he didn't want to leave for and extended period of time? His thinking may have been that it would be less likely for someone to find JC at is house, Than if he left her alone all day and she escaped? Maybe family then convinced him to go with them to the grandparents? Or maybe the grandparents was simply on another day. I think its pretty chilling to learn that JTP could act normal with people in the very house that he was holding somebody captive.

Didn't his grandfather say he hadn't seen JTP for a couple of years? I believe in one article he stated that, which made me scratch my head because another article stated he had gone to spend Christmas at his grandfather's house in Superior.

 

[Rubiconbob]

As parents you can’t coddle your children. In an ironic twist a 13 year old actually ended up being smarter than him because she was taught well by her parents.

If JP wanted attention and notoriety he finally got it but he will spend the rest of his life in prison.

I don’t think he wanted attention/ noteriety... he really wanted approval... approval from parents... if they were absent age 11 to 18... he could spend eternity looking for way to fill that void...I’m sure at some point he has to realize offing two people won’t get parents back together, or get parents to say way to go on that eighth grade report card.

If jake was female, probably would have just become a stripper to deal with the absent void.....just a guess.

 

[cluciano63]

Especially if the volume wasn't turned up prior to the October crime date. LE said to look for changes in behavior.

No one is thinking of their own kid in that way...at least, very very few.

 

[ilovechili]

Yes... this perp’s family seems blatantly split down gender lines. F silent & absent in aftermath, M present & supportive. Could mean nothing- maybe still just divorce animosity. Maybe F feel pressured by MSM or threats. Could mean everything- and much more relevant to perp’s unravelling into serious criminal. We may or may not ever know.

So dad and brother go to hearing. Gender lines. But dad and sister were at perp's at a Christmas gathering, he drove sister's car and lived in dad's house. Quite honestly, none of the family has spoken to media and have avoided them for the most part which is understandable. Grandpa said a little bit. Dad spoke when forced to but very little. Dad wrote a letter which I can look at two very different ways. Yet we know he visited mom. We know nothing about employment of any except JTP's lack of it and mom driving a school bus... Not that we are entitled to know but with our sensational media, it seems a bit odd those things have not come out... imho.

 

[Julia966]

Pretty sure it would be at the end and a rural bus coming back in towards town. I just know that years ago I would wait behind one occasion (where they were picking up on the south side of the road) and I had to be to work at 8. I remember it only because I would be thinking, come on now, get moving, I have like ten minutes to be on time...

Of course that does not mean it is the same today and I admit I have no idea. There could also be an elementary run and a middle/high school run, etc. but it is a small district and so many people take their children these days to school and do not use the bus that I doubt they do more runs than necessary. But just totally guessing.

So either way, though, if his bus account is true, he certainly was not appearing to work at the Saputo 6 a.m. shift right? And even if scheduled for 8, he was not on the early side most likely for his trip for a first day, or was it the second day, not sure...

Still bothers me they say he was behind the bus too. Wrong direction.

Things to ponder. Helps to know the school schedule though since some schools these days are trying new schedules and starting earlier or later than the standard usual 8 a.m. area of time we are all used to.

I spent a few minutes mapping it out, and I can see a way he could end up behind the bus in the morning. If he came down Rt 53 and then headed west on Rt 8 toward the cheese factory, he could end up behind the bus if it picked up Jayme heading west on Rt 8. Her house is on the north side of the street, so he'd be able to see her come down the driveway to the bus. Then, the bus would need to turn around to head back to Barron.

 

[cherrymeg]

I don’t think he wanted attention/ noteriety... he really wanted approval... approval from parents... if they were absent age 11 to 18... he could spend eternity looking for way to fill that void...I’m sure at some point he has to realize offing two people won’t get parents back together, or get parents to say way to go on that eighth grade report card.

If jake was female, probably would have just become a stripper to deal with the absent void.....just a guess.

Let's not compare homicidal kidnappers to strippers. He possibly thought of her as an object. You see someone get on oroff a bus you don't decide to kidnap them. He was messed up.

 

[cherrymeg]

Do we know if some of his family members will be testifying?

 

[ilovechili]

I spent a few minutes mapping it out, and I can see a way he could end up behind the bus in the morning. If he came down Rt 53 and then headed west on Rt 8 toward the cheese factory, he could end up behind the bus if it picked up Jayme heading west on Rt 8. Her house is on the north side of the street, so he'd be able to see her come down the driveway to the bus. Then, the bus would need to turn around to head back to Barron.

I have thought of this but in knowing the area, etc., I feel it is unlikely. Unless for some reason they had a protocol that a child should not cross Highway 8 or she should not. Otherwise, it just would make more sense she would be one of the last stops of a rural bus on its way back into Barron. Not a fact but to me just more likely but what you say is entirely possible.

 

[JudgeJoe]

Pretty sure it would be at the end and a rural bus coming back in towards town. I just know that years ago I would wait behind one occasion (where they were picking up on the south side of the road) and I had to be to work at 8. I remember it only because I would be thinking, come on now, get moving, I have like ten minutes to be on time...

Of course that does not mean it is the same today and I admit I have no idea. There could also be an elementary run and a middle/high school run, etc. but it is a small district and so many people take their children these days to school and do not use the bus that I doubt they do more runs than necessary. But just totally guessing.

So either way, though, if his bus account is true, he certainly was not appearing to work at the Saputo 6 a.m. shift right? And even if scheduled for 8, he was not on the early side most likely for his trip for a first day, or was it the second day, not sure...

Still bothers me they say he was behind the bus too. Wrong direction.

Things to ponder. Helps to know the school schedule though since some schools these days are trying new schedules and starting earlier or later than the standard usual 8 a.m. area of time we are all used to.

The time factor is curious. MS starts at 8a in Barron, cheese shift at 6. The Barron School District bus schedule could be determined by several factors- # schools served, start times of those schools (staggered or not), # busses owned by district, position of Jayme’s stop along the route, etc.

When my daughter was in MS, she was the first kid on & last kid off. During one semester of 7th grade, she rode the bus 3.5 hours each day, 1 hr 45 mins am, ditto pm. It was ridiculous.

As far as the direction goes, it is possible that Jayme would be picked up on a bus travelling west, even though Barron MS is east. Routes are often designed to eliminate the need for a student to have to cross a street to get on the bus- even if that means driving around in repetitive, silly loops on a way-too-long route to go a relatively short distance.

When my daughter rode her marathon route, her bus travelled north to go south. The most northern students should have been picked up first. But nooooooo. Mid-county students first, then north county, then south county near campus.

We are trying to make sense out of times & directions, without having the information needed to make sense out of it. Just say’n.

 

[Mistermagoo]

Just watched Nancy Grace from Dr. Oz yesterday.

Nothing new. It's so crazy, Any one of us could have done this interview.