Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #43

[fmcphie]

I hope you are right.

I would imagine based on the information in the criminal complaint it will most likely be a plea deal.

 

[kkdj]

I would imagine based on the information in the criminal complaint it will most likely be a plea deal.

I hope so......but I'm not sure this guy doesn't want to brag his "bravado" to the world!

 

[kkdj]

I have never been more sure about anything in my life.

The only thing I’m unsure of, is if this will ultimately go to trial. It won’t matter in terms of how this ends though.

JP will die in prison.

You got that right!

 

[girlhasnoname]

I would imagine based on the information in the criminal complaint it will most likely be a plea deal.

May I ask what in the criminal complaint makes you believe it would be a plea deal?

 

[ilovechili]

He does not have to be mirandized for the statement "I did it", to be allowed in as evidence. It is considered an excited utterence. Which means the person has stated something in regard to a crime or criminal act in which they are not being questioned about. Once a person is detained and a direct line of questioning is conducted in regards to a crime or criminal act then the officer must mirandize the person in order for the statements to be admissable in court.

I agree. I think this excited utterance is the least of his concerns anyhow. He says "it" before even questioned what "it" was I believe. In that context they could attempt at least to say he was afraid of a ticket for a traffic violation when pulled over and just admitted he did "it".

The recorded interview where he was read his rights is what he needs to be very concerned about along with the evidence. So long as he did not ask for an attorney at any time and understood his rights in the Miranda, I do not see where the confession on interview can be thrown out.

I am absolutely no expert though--and I am sure there are maybe more reasons or technicalities that can be used than us average people know (which are pretty much that one has a right to ask for an attorney, and if one cannot afford one, one will be appointed, and one must be mirandized/read their rights). I just do not see though if the defense does not try to get the confession thrown out what defense they could possibly use. They have a huge obstacle to overcome with that, it leaves them little to work with insofar as I can see.

Insanity? His actions show he very clearly knows right from wrong which is the standard and that this was premeditated as well.

I get why some feel they will at least attempt to challenge the confession. It is a pretty big obstacle standing in the way of almost any defense.

 

[ilovechili]

Thank you for your kind words. I have robots in my basement that I pay with homemade pies.

I am hoping that, in time, we get to see his video interview.

MOO

Now I understand. I pictured you as an overworked robot yourself, up 24/7 providing all of us with everything we need while you do the work. Now I know you are just a kitchen slave baking pies for the team in the basement that does this work Again, thank you!

If this goes to trial, we will see the video interview if the trial is shown on TV, we know media will probably only give us parts otherwise. I wonder though if it contains any responses pertaining to what occurred in Douglas County exactly how that would be handled. Perhaps that portion would be blocked... I would welcome hearing from an expert on that. It is a big part of the case so it would be used I know that, just not sure how they would handle parts of it. Maybe two different interviews were conducted with regard to Barron and then Douglas...? Or something like that...

 

[JenniD]

Well if this isn’t a bunch of crap!! Obviously someone wrote to him and he is responding-if its even true. He is sicker than I imagined and that’s almost impossible
Not sure if ROL is an approved source-if not Mods please delete

Shocking Jailhouse Letter: Jayme Closs' Kidnapper Reveals Sick Love For Teen!

 

[ilovechili]

Well if this isn’t a bunch of crap!! Obviously someone wrote to him and he is responding-if its even true. He is sicker than I imagined and that’s almost impossible
Not sure if ROL is an approved source-if not Mods please delete

Shocking Jailhouse Letter: Jayme Closs' Kidnapper Reveals Sick Love For Teen!

wow. because it is radar, i am taking my time and processing. and then going to reread and try to see between their often sensational and misleading statements.

 

[ilovechili]

Oh cripes, now i read the letter itself. she RAN away? does he mean from home or from Gordon?

ETA: What is he up to is what I mean by is saying such a thing??

The hearts??

He never hunted. That is interesting.

His brother found a dog tied in the woods?

What is he up to is my first reaction...

Going to sit back and be silent and process.

 

[JenniD]

Oh cripes, now i read the letter itself. she RAN away? does he mean from home or from Gordon?

ETA: What is he up to is what I mean by is saying such a thing??

The hearts??

He never hunted. That is interesting.

His brother found a dog tied in the woods?

What is he up to is my first reaction...

Going to sit back and be silent and process.

“Ran away”. No Jake- she Escaped!!

 

[ilovechili]

“Ran away”. No Jake- she Escaped!!

Yes, that remark bothers me. And what is bringing up the brother and puppy along with that remark. Get a puppy to keep her happy? Way back when someone remarked on I thought puppy pads and dog toys... Is he hinting at the brother knowing and being around...

Total speculation but it struck me quite odd...

 

[JenniD]

Yes, that remark bothers me. And what is bringing up the brother and puppy along with that remark. Get a puppy to keep her happy? Way back when someone remarked on I thought puppy pads and dog toys... Is he hinting at the brother knowing and being around...

Total speculation but it struck me quite odd...

The “ha ha” after he describes going from doing nothing bad to doing the worse makes my blood boil!!! And what’s he “sad” about-that he got caught.

 

[ilovechili]

The “ha ha” after he describes going from doing nothing bad to doing the worse makes my blood boil!!! And what’s he “sad” about-that he got caught.

That struck me too big time. The fact he is still being supported by family as well even though he does not "deserve" it was another part that struck me, no big appreciation or thanks over it, of course he was writing a letter to who knows who so maybe not so odd. I am trying not to overanalyze. I even told myself the hearts around Jayme's name was perhaps wishing her well/regret/guilt (tried to look at it another way and tried to be fair--why, I do not know--maybe because it is Radar) but the remarks around that do not lend to that whatsoever. I think it was on the envelope or another page did you notice the cross? Many try that once jailed or in prison... They found Jesus or are "born again"... Just speculation...

 

[Ragnarok]

Oh cripes, now i read the letter itself. she RAN away? does he mean from home or from Gordon?

ETA: What is he up to is what I mean by is saying such a thing??

The hearts??

He never hunted. That is interesting.

His brother found a dog tied in the woods?

What is he up to is my first reaction...

Going to sit back and be silent and process.

Well JC did run away from the house in Gordon where JP was holding her at. Good for you JC!

 

[ilovechili]

Well JC did run away from the house in Gordon where JP was holding her at. Good for you JC!

I hope that is what he means. I have no doubt with regard to her, just not as sure what it is he is trying to say.

And yes, good for her, without a doubt, it took some real guts to do that.

 

[JenniD]

That struck me too big time. The fact he is still being supported by family as well even though he does not "deserve" it was another part that struck me, no big appreciation or thanks over it, of course he was writing a letter to who knows who so maybe not so odd. I am trying not to overanalyze. I even told myself the hearts around Jayme's name was perhaps wishing her well/regret/guilt (tried to look at it another way and tried to be fair--why, I do not know--maybe because it is Radar) but the remarks around that do not lend to that whatsoever. I think it was on the envelope or another page did you notice the cross? Many try that once jailed or in prison... They found Jesus or are "born again"... Just speculation...

Yea. I saw the cross too. Sorry JP- a little late for that one

 

[ilovechili]

Yea. I saw the cross too. Sorry JP- a little late for that one

Yep, too little too late, and NO way will it have any effect on the horrible things you did. I have seen people on even small charges all of a sudden start acting like a holy roller in court. I think judges see it probably quite often...

 

[PayrollNerd]

So, tying a puppy to a tree and leaving it to die warrants “a sad face” but murdering her parents warrants a “ha ha”??? W. T. H. He is one sick pr*ck. God Bless JC for saving herself. She is my hero!

 

[ilovechili]

So, tying a puppy to a tree and leaving it to die warrants “a sad face” but murdering her parents warrants a “ha ha”??? W. T. H. He is one sick pr*ck. God Bless JC for saving herself. She is my hero!

Great points!

It may be a stupid question, but I grew up rural. I trampled through the woods each summer off school with my dog and/or a neighbor friend or sibling. I never ever came across a dog just tied out in the woods. Maybe I am overanalyzing but when most of the letter is somewhat generic there are things I wonder about. Including acting like he has a love for animals, never hunted (loves animals?), yet like you say the "ha ha" when it is people... Animals have come up a few times. It came up with the alleged high school gf. It came up with the sister's ex boyfriend.... I would love someone with more expertise in such things to weigh in... Is it possible from the start that there was a known thing with him and abuse of animals that those closest to him knew about?

I am overanalyzing and I know it

Edited to fix last sentence.

Actually the second to last sentence...

 

[PommyMommy]

From CRIMEONLINE: ‘Me and Jayme cooked a bunch of stuff’: Jayme Closs’ alleged kidnapper writes jailhouse letter, draws hearts around young girl’s name [Report]
The letter also described how Patterson hated himself for what he did, but he acknowledged his family still supports him. He also reportedly wrote that “not a single” person has sent him hate mail, unless the letters were thrown out by authorities before he could read them.

“I went from never committing a crime or really doing anything bad to doing the worst thing a human can do. Just one big f–k up ha ha.”

See the full letter here (RadarOnline)