AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #12

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If Jayme was the target then the killer already knew she lived there. He didn’t just pick a random house and kill two people on the possibility there was a young girl home. If a parent was the target, I don’t see them going soft-hearted on her. I just don’t see it being random or she’d have been found with her parents. By taking her, I think she was the goal and that means the killer has been watching or in contact.
 
Is it possible that the father is the one who kicked in the door? If it was bolted and he heard screams or knew some other way that his family was in trouble, he could have kicked it open.
My issue with that is twofold. A lack of a 911 call from him, coupled with the fact that he was found inside that door.

Logically, it makes far more sense for this to be carried out as a home invasion, as opposed to a scenario where the perpetrators are already inside the house, and the dad is the one to break in.

Law enforcement likely knows the answer to this though.
 
If she likes Starbucks and was known to attend the local Starbucks at all I would wager LE already spoke to staff and reviewed any video they may have to see if she shows up in any from prior days or weeks and if so alone? With somoene? On a secret cell phone (maybe she had one her parents didn’t know about?).
There is a photo w what looks like an iphone 5 in front of her. It gets cropped out of most posts.
 
That’s the strangest part. If you go in quietly, I can see spending time there. But to go in that loud and then hang around? That’s beyond comprehension.

Nothing makes sense here, no matter the scenario you come up with.
They may have stayed longer if the 911 call hadnt been made. If the neighbor really is correct on the time, they didnt care about the gunshots causing alarm. If the suspect was even the one who fired those 2 shots.
 
I have a family member that has been in LE for 20 years. He was already aware of this case obviously due to the amber alerts, etc. We are about 15 hours away from Barron, Wi so I just showed him the press conference where the aunts were speaking. He said it was extremely calculated and thinks this might explain part of the aunts demeanor for those who feel she didn't seem emotional enough. I told him that a lot of people (not all) seemed to feel a "weird vibe" from the press conference as a whole (based on what I have read). He said it might feel weird to someone who doesn't know the objective, whatever that is supposed to mean. Just wanted to share.

She was “scripted” (to some aspects) and she went over and over this SEVERAL times before she actually went on air. This is VERY typical for the FBI to do... you also note that as soon as she was done she was escorted back into the building immediately! That’s why she had the “weird vibe”.
She was used to help “get” to the people that have Jayme or to Jayme. This tactic was used in the Smart girl case and SEVERAL others.

Praying for you everyday Jayme... it’s time to come home sweetheart!
 
Is there a link for the press conference? I watched t it live, but it stopped after the aunts spoke. Is there more that I missed? Just tell me where to look and I will.
 
I keep going over things in my head, trying to play out different scenarios. The whole door being kicked in by the perp just has not made a lot of sense to me. I'm not saying that the perp didn't do it but there are just so many other ways with all the windows and the patio door. That being said, A few people here on WS have suggested that it may have been the dad that broke in the door. Only reason that I am bringing this up is that all the videos and pics that I have seen of the 1st day have his red silverado right next to a tree in the driveway, right where one would park if you were going to use the front door. He is not entering the house through the garage like some have suggested most people do. If he were to enter through the garage, wouldn't he park closer to it? Unless LE moved the red Silverado.
Again, I'm just throwing out different scenarios.
 
I agree. It's not that hard. We don't know which kinds of locks were engaged, the type or condition of the door frame beforehand, and many other factors that could have made it easier or harder.

I was affiliated with a psychiatric hospital some time ago where I witnessed an adult female, maybe 5'2 95lbs, rip a door down in a rage-fueled psychotic episode. And if anyone has ever seen those kinds of doors - their weight, their architecture, their lack of hardware - they know what a monumental feat this was. Point being that anyone can tear a door down with enough adrenaline. Or PCP. Or meth.

JMO.
 
Reading a lot tonight and can't stop thinking about the father answering the door. It seems odd that the father's feet would be out the door (IIR it was stated in the 911 report that feet were visible by the first responding LE) if he was shot in the door way. What if someone attempted to drag him out and stopped short (due to 911 call? other commotion happening?)
Wondering if the father came home to a scene and had to kick the door in. Was later shot and begun to be drug out of the house?

I also wonder if it's possible for all of this to be played out by only 1 person.
 
Right. More likely they are saying, "Jayme, we haven't forgotten you. Don't forget about us. Come home to us."
I learned to never underestimate the most minute thing when I was told I was crazy to pursue a supervisory nursing home nurse under my supervision for elder abuse after he peed dirty for opiates and stated he has a prescription. I couldn't shake the feeling I had about him and did further investigation. Long story short he ended up in federal penitentiary for fabricating pain medication prescriptions and stealing pain meds from the elderly in his care. Also further physical abuse of patients was also discovered as well as complete fear shown by fellow employees when interviewed. Maybe I am wrong about the Starbucks and thats fine. It was just an observation. Guess you never know.
 
My issue with that is twofold. A lack of a 911 call from him, coupled with the fact that he was found inside that door.

Logically, it makes far more sense for this to be carried out as a home invasion, as opposed to a scenario where the perpetrators are already inside the house, and the dad is the one to break in.

Law enforcement likely knows the answer to this though.
I rarely disagree with you, but on this I believe its possible. He may have kicked it and got in before he was shot. He also may not have called 911 out of emotion (anger/fear) knowing something was amiss when he pulled up and even possibly knowing who was inside. (Of course, not realizing he was about to get shot).
 
I like the idea of changing your profile pictures to pets. Also, thanks to everyone for being proper web sleuthers, and providing sources for your thoughts & information. My profile pic is clearly a cloud cat. Carry on.
Worrying about Jayme tonight. And her aunts. And Molly dog. These cases are so hard to follow. I’ve gone back and forth with what I think has happened here. I’m to the point right now of not even having a theory. I think I’ll just continue to watch in hopes I’ll learn something from the WS community. Adding my pup as my avatar to say I care.
 
I rarely disagree with you, but on this I believe its possible. He may have kicked it and got in before he was shot. He also may not have called 911 out of emotion (anger/fear) knowing something was amiss when he pulled up and even possibly knowing who was inside. (Of course, not realizing he was about to get shot).
Oh. I’m not saying it’s not possible, I’m just saying that I think the other scenario is more likely.

There is nothing that excludes your scenario from being true, I just don’t like it as much as the alternative.
 
If she likes Starbucks and was known to attend the local Starbucks at all I would wager LE already spoke to staff and reviewed any video they may have to see if she shows up in any from prior days or weeks and if so alone? With somoene? On a secret cell phone (maybe she had one her parents didn’t know about?).
Here's the thing though about those drinks. They are sold everywhere ... not just at Starbucks. They are sold at grocery stores, convenience stores, etc. I am from a tiny town of 200 people. They are sold here at our little Mom & Pop grocery store.
 
When people here talk about the " timeline", not the one posted by the WS Mod. Staff, but just " gunshots were heard and 911 wasn't called for 20 minutes later".

I am not sure I'm understanding the thinking process here. IF, and this is a generalized " if" not specific to this crime as we know it, but IF a perp. or perps. entered the house through force or subterfuge ( car out of gas, is this your puppy we found that is hurt? etc) how are people guessing at the time the perp. arrived at the home?

MANY home invasions last for hours. I know of one in my small home town that did. ( The man was the president of the largest bank in town. He convinced the intruder that the bank safe was on a timer, which it probably was. The intruder stayed there all night and somehow, the couple was not harmed. I also don't think the bank was robbed in the end).

We know that the two killers of Dr.William Petit's teenaged daughters and his first wife stayed in the house for many hours. This is probably true of other home invasions due to the high risk nature of the crime itself.

The perps. of a home invasion are committing a very high- risk crime. They don't know if an attack dog is going to be there, if a family friend who is armed to the teeth and is a veteran marksman is going to be sitting in the living room, or usually anything about the " armed vs. unarmed" status of the house.
The Closs house could have had a security alarm. There is no sign from the outside now that a house does or doesn't have an alarm and cutting any kind of wires is not going to stop the call from going out- it's going to speed help up.

So, as I understand it, we know there was a birthday party that afternoon per the grandfather, and it ended what I'd call early, and had been held at another relative's house. Same grandfather said James wasn't there because he was working.

Why doesn't the hypothetical timeline of the crime extend from the probable time Denise and Jayme returned home until EMR arrived on the scene and James died soon afterwards?

I only see it described from gunshot and neighbor accounts to the police log. That's the ENDING of the crime. Not the beginning or the middle. I tend to think the females were home when the siege began.

I don't think it's productive for me, personally, to speculate about the items identified as removed from the house: mattresses, chairs, doors or the windows until we have the NARRATIVE that goes along with each item officially. Without the proper context, all manner of speculation and argument is being made, and with the release of the info that a mattress was removed, it could get extremely distressing to family members if they read here.
This is JMO, and I mean no disrespect to anyone who thinks differently. This is something I've learned not to become too concerned with, as it's the easy part for LE in most cases. THEY will tell what happened when it's time. We obsessed over so many tiny details in the Ramsey case when this forum originally opened as Websleuths, and 22 years later, we still don't know why some things were overturned, wet, seemingly staged..

In the meantime, in the town of Barron, WI, a girl is missing, a perp. hasn't been found, and it was obvious today that the Closs family's relatives are missing Jayme so much. I hope we can help in some way to bring her home. I think that's WS's " mission".. .
Thanks for reading. I needed to ask questions because the timeline is confusing to me starting near the very end of a crime scene.

I thought the along the same lines as you, except that the door was kicked in - which could have happened at any time, but James was found shot in or close to the door... So that doesn’t fit with the perps being there prior to him coming home... imo
And now with the LE only asking for people being on US8 around 12.30 to 1.30 I wonder if it all went much faster...
 
Regarding the Starbucks in the PC...

Being a native of Rice Lake I go there at least a couple of times a year as I my siblings and many friends live there. I am not aware of any Starbucks in the area - can someone help me here? I know they sell the canned and bottled Starbucks in the local convenience stores such as Kwik-Trip but not the freshly brewed. If nothing else I would like to know of one in the area for my next rip there in November as I enjoy their fresh hot coffee.
 
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