AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #14

[WiseOwl]

With both parents working for the same company for such a lengthy time, their circle would include other employees. It feels like retaliation : the anger of a hostile, disgruntled former employee perhaps. Do we know if either had people reporting to them? Maybe the ones that were killed were not those intended. I am thinking J was taken because she was a witness and there wasn't time to figure out what to do with her once the 911 call was discovered.

I reviewed the co website. They are owned by big food company. Therefore lots of HR. formalities found under careers on the site. Someone could have been fired and had been festering. Maybe that person planned on taking their own life when done but changed their mind.

This scenario seems likely, although it might not necessarily be a former employee. Whoever the perp is could have had some form of altercation/dispute/grudge against one or both parents, resulting in an explosion of anger and a revenge killing. They might have intended to kill Jayme too but discovered she had made the 911 call and had to leave the premises as quickly as possible. OR they had run out of ammo after shooting the parents, hence why neither Jayme or the dog were killed. Again they would have to take Jayme with them as she would be a witness to the shootings.

 

[JohnTate90210]

I can imagine the dog sleeping in Jayme’s room. It’s not a big leap to picture the killer threatening it if she didn’t go with him quickly and quietly.

 

[reasonableguess]

There is no federal registration requirement of guns prior to 2014. Starting 1/1/14 long guns serial numbers were recorded upon sale. It is also not required to federally register guns already owned before 2014. It is actually against current federal law to require such registration.
Registration | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

 

[BB71]

I actually did like a lot of their articles and in many cases they do have the best photos but I highly doubt someone with the FBI would divulge that information. Maybe an ex FBI agent who heard unfounded rumors. Imo

It makes no sense to me when the FBI is even more tight lipped than even a local sheriff who has jurisdictional control over this case with the FBI one of the assisting agencies.

I dont think Denise would ever run to a bathroom in order to protect herself and leave Jayme to fend for herself with the killer inside the home. They were known as inseparable and extremely close like two peas in a pod.

Until that is proven as fact I will chalk that up as misinformation. It happens when there are unnamed sources.

I remember when Laci Peterson was murdered by Scott Peterson several media ran with the story that LE had found her blood on a mop in their kitchen. They stuck with that is several articles for months on end before trial. However at trial it was learned there was no blood of any kind found on any mop in their home.

That is one of the reasons I rarely read any MSM articles lately about any case before the facts are known.

So much misinformation is said and published now in the media.

Imo they dont even vet the source anymore and just run with it.

Jmo tho

How on earth would they know there had been a knock at the door?
Theory #9

If you heard someone kicking your door in, wouldn’t you get your family and run out the back? That’s why I think dad saw something was up when he arrived home, kicked in the door, and was met with a bullet (or two). Mom is shot and calls 911. She couldn’t even whisper at that point. Jayme is upset and the LE have an idea whether she knew them or not. If she did, she is more likely to be alive (?) The Sheriff is quoted on video (during 2000 person search I believe) as saying they are “going off of” their hope that she is alive.

 

[SeekingJana]

Wisconsin's gun laws are here. I don't own guns, I don't want to know about guns, so this is not something I care to know, but others might.

Gun laws in Wisconsin - Wikipedia

 

[MassGuy]

I can imagine the dog sleeping in Jayme’s room. It’s not a big leap to picture the killer threatening it if she didn’t go with him quickly and quietly.

Sure. But the dead bodies of her parents laying on the floor would have made it impossible for her not to comply with his demands.

It’s not like he would have had to reason with her.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

Remember that how long the intruders were in the home is based on whether or not you believe the neighbors heard two shots (they didn't hear the police come to the house, the sirens, the emts, didn't even hear the commotion), what time they heard those shots (was it 7 mins later, did she read the clock wrong, etc)
To put it bluntly, they may have not heard anything or at the very least they may be very mistaken about the time. Remember, this is an elderly couple who were unaware their neighbor had a child or had been living there for 17 years.

My belief bubble of 60's being the new 50's is burst lol. I thought she was early to mid 60's

 

[BB71]

This scenario seems likely, although it might not necessarily be a former employee. Whoever the perp is could have had some form of altercation/dispute/grudge against one or both parents, resulting in an explosion of anger and a revenge killing. They might have intended to kill Jayme too but discovered she had made the 911 call and had to leave the premises as quickly as possible. OR they had run out of ammo after shooting the parents, hence why neither Jayme or the dog were killed. Again they would have to take Jayme with them as she would be a witness to the shootings.

If James took multiple rounds, Denise may have as well. Especially if she was injured when she made the 911 call. So, maybe they did run out of ammo.
Could be a female perp, but not as likely.

 

[BB71]

My belief bubble of 50's being the new 60's is burst lol. I thought she was early to mid 60's

She seems very certain. Her clock was 7 min FAST. So that puts the time at 12:31. If dad got out of work at 12:30 (when second shift ends), their timeline cannot be right. I can’t hear my neighbors yelling, and they are closer.

 

[Get off my Lawn!]

I think it is highly unlikely that someone interested in sexually molesting a minor would not find another quieter way than doing a Rambo attack on a front door. Sexual predators are well known to be cold and calculating and do not seek a fight, they seek a victim, smaller, weaker, vulnerable, and isolated. As I said before, this was a rage killing and the motive may be based in the "misunderstanding" that LE have indicated. Jayme was taken either because the perp could not kill her or decided that he would take her as plunder. IMO we should look for a long festering hatred from someone who snapped on that day in particular. All of the other theories presented here are equally possible but I am now settled on this.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

How on earth would they know there had been a knock at the door?
Theory #9

If you heard someone kicking your door in, wouldn’t you get your family and run out the back? That’s why I think dad saw something was up when he arrived home, kicked in the door, and was met with a bullet (or two). Mom is shot and calls 911. She couldn’t even whisper at that point. Jayme is upset and the LE have an idea whether she knew them or not. If she did, she is more likely to be alive (?) The Sheriff is quoted on video (during 2000 person search) I believe as saying they are “going off of” their hope that she is alive.

I don't think at first they kicked the door open.

Imo they knocked on the door and James went to answer it since it was late and he was the man of the house.

I believe when he slightly opened the door the suspect tried to force his way in.

Imo James using all of his strength was able to close the door back.

It was then the suspect was able to kick the door open hitting it where the door knob/lock is located imo.

Imo

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Funeral underway for parents of missing Wisconsin teen Jayme Closs
Gallery: A single casket was brought out after the service for the funeral for James and Denise Class in Cameron, Wis., on Saturday.

 

[SeekingJana]

My belief bubble of 50's being the new 60's is burst lol. I thought she was early to mid 60's

Aww, age is a relative term now. Generally speaking, we don't look like our parents when they were 50. We are fitter, healthier, usually don't have gray or white hair unless we want to have gray or white hair, and have a different mindset about our activity level, our vacations, our careers, retirement, home ownership, and various other markers of success and recreation.

How old we think we are determines how old we act in most cases, in the absence of serious illness which has obvious manifestations. I don't belong with the teens twerking at the clubs but I also don't belong in AARP or with a Lifeline or a walk in tub or a hundred different spam emails I get every day.

Not even a doctor can tell you you're old if you don't believe it. My doctor is my age, born in my birth year. I chose him years ago on purpose so he couldn't throw ageism in my face if I had a complaint of a sore knee or back pain one day. Thus far, he and I are both utterly healthy and fit human beings.
You aren't old unless you think you are!

 

[BB71]

Jethro arent you the one who took all that time and helped me get this log straight to begin with? As I said, I need to stay away from that thing! On another note, I was really hoping Jayme was found before the funeral today. Praying for answers soon!

Great find! So, it would appear, that Jim DID answer the door!! But it was ajar. If he was mortally wounded, why use his energy to greet officers? The door was already open??
This gets curiouser and curiouser.

 

[MsBetsy]

Agree. Seems folks have found indications he did spend time at a family hunting camp. But, I suppose he could have borrowed them, or stored his out of the house too, IDK. I know a few people who do that. I've spent time at a hunting camp, but off-season swimming and fishing.


I have a number/variety of firearms. I'm a firearm's (pistol) instructor and rifle(wo)man. I used to hunt, but haven't for decades. Lots of misconceptions about firearms. Not many states have registration, but I'm sure LE has talked to family & friends to establish if he owned any firearms.

While we are on the subject, what is your opinion on whether or not gunshots like the neighbors describe (sounded like a gun used in hunting, very loud, etc) can be heard from within the house. Some people say it would not be heard. I know when shot inside the sound reverberates and bounces off the walls, but couldn't it still be pretty loud? The reason I asked is because I was a witness in a murder, just because I heard the shots which were fired inside a house about twice as far as the neighbors was in this case. The gunshots that I heard were very loud. I was outside, which might make a difference. I was 12 years old at the time but I can still remember exactly what it sounded like. It was some type of rifle, used for hunting. But no mistake of how loud they were. I know the neighbors also being inside may make a difference in this case, but in your opinion how much of a difference would it make if fired inside? A huge difference or a little?

 

[SeekingJana]

This was just awkward. Mea culpa.

 

[Get off my Lawn!]

My belief bubble of 60's being the new 50's is burst lol. I thought she was early to mid 60's

She is 65

 

[Jethro4WS]

Of course, you are correct.
But when they ask for anyone who saw vehicles on a 15 mile stretch of HWY from 12:30 to 1:30 AM, we are able to use our minds to speculate that perhaps they don't think the crime began at 12:31.
Perhaps they believe the crime began closer to the 911 call.
What other explanations could there be for putting those times out?
I'm open to hearing suggestions.
All I can think of is that maybe they know where the cars came from-- maybe they have enough video of the cars heading towards the house but for some reason not enough of cars going away from the house on HWY 8? It's possible.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=256830908511307

At 10:50 seconds into the press conference - making a clarification on wanting both directions on US 8 - the Sheriff doesn't mention that they are specifically asking for people that saw vehicles. He mentioned "maybe you had seen something on the side of the road that you don't realize you had seen."

That could mean seeing someone walking. It could mean a parked vehicle. It could be a number of things.

But I do believe that law enforcement believes that the carrying out of this crime began (not when any planning might have started) no earlier than 12:30am.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Jethro arent you the one who took all that time and helped me get this log straight to begin with? As I said, I need to stay away from that thing! On another note, I was really hoping Jayme was found before the funeral today. Praying for answers soon!

Yeah, that was me.

 

[MassGuy]

Great find! So, it would appear, that Jim DID answer the door!! But it was ajar. If he was mortally wounded, why use his energy to greet officers? The door was already open??
This gets curiouser and curiouser.

The log makes it sound like James opened the door to officers. That does not appear to be the case. All indications are that he was deceased at the time the police arrived.