AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #14

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singlemom said:
I keep a dowel rod in the bottom of my sliding glass door to prevent someone from siding it open. Unless "slip one door off the tracks" means something different than sliding it open. :)
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I went out and tested my slider, thanks to @SeekingJana's info, which is scary. Luckily, mine would not budge at all. Not even a tiny bit! It's a newer model and was tightly sealed.

Do we know how old the Closs home is? I wonder how old the windows and slider are?
 
gitana1 said:
When I take it as negative it's due to recognizing consistent posting history OR it's due to context.

But in response to those who think LE simply doesn't have much to go on - no fault of their own, no criticism, just a concern- I don't think I've ever seen a case where that's true.

I know it's not true here. I mean I guess it's all relative? But to me that massive list of evidence posted by Whiskers shows they indeed have a ton of stuff to go on. Is it a particular suspect or motive? I don't know.

But I know they know much more than we do.

WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #14
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The ignore button is your friend ;)

Again, I’d say you are misinterpreting it. When someone says LE doesn’t know much they usually mean that LE doesn’t have any good leads, no “fish on the line” if you will. That doesn’t mean we think they don’t have plenty of lines in the water. I don’t think anyone on here is naive enough to think that LE releases every bit of information they have to the public.
 
Wrenny said:
What the heck is this on the front lawn? I increased brightness and contrast a little to make it easier to see. View attachment 153067
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Alien landing pad? Sorry ... making a joke when joking is probably NOT the thing to do, but I noticed that in an early photo, too, and thought, "Huh?" Looks like an old style TV roof antenna but on the lawn. Weird!
 
Vaderman said:
I know some perps insert themselves into the case. Do you think this perp will show up at the funeral tomorrow? Will there be law enforcement there?

I wonder if that’s why the funeral seems so rushed. A trap?
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Not a “trap” as I’m assuming the family is just grieving in the way they see fit. Will LE be keeping an eye out and have a hidden presence, I’d be willing to bet on it. And I’m not the betting type.
 
Does anyone have any stats on how effective large-scale searches are in cases like this? They surely brought out the 2,000 people for a reason but with how much land just in the 10-mile area I am sure tons of areas still not searched. Given the interest in the case and they had already been able to get 2k people to come out on a work day, why not try again or a few days of similar searches?
 
bizzle2 said:
The ignore button is your friend ;)

Again, I’d say you are misinterpreting it. When someone says LE doesn’t know much they usually mean that LE doesn’t have any good leads, no “fish on the line” if you will. That doesn’t mean we think they don’t have plenty of lines in the water. I don’t think anyone on here is naive enough to think that LE releases every bit of information they have to the public.
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@gitana1 has been around these parts for a very long time and is one of our verified pros. I think she has a pretty good idea of how the release of info is handled and LE works on these cases. ☺
 
I keep wondering why, when the nine-one-one operator was listening to the call, that they classified it as a potential suicide. Something on that call let them to believe such. I'm trying to think of a scenario that would make them think such.
 
Andreee said:
I would think a sliding door would have very strong glass, sometimes double paned.
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Definitely don’t want to rule that out... you all who have been here for a while may know my theory James stumbled in on the crime scene, and I appreciate everyone considering it, and not ridiculing it.

If the intruder(s) were in the home before he got home from work, the entrance may have been that way (though the sliding glass door). I don’t think a sliding glass door would be kicked in, but it could be maneuvered from the outside to open, unless there was a stick behind the bottom of the sliding glass doors (not sure what to call that).

I do think, however it went down, with the late hour, Jayme, and possibly her mom, were asleep when the crime started.
 
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tmar said:
What happens at neighbors is often missed, even if on very friendly terms.
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I think the further apart the houses are, the more people stay to themselves. At least that's true for me and my family, where we've lived, as relates to house spacing.
How could it be true both that they saw her getting off the schoolbus sometimes, and that they didn't know they had children? First the bus wouldn't have stopped there until this year, because when she went to school in the neighboring town she wouldn't have rode the bus. Second she didn't take the bus when she had after school activities, which it sounds like was several nights a week. So only 6 weeks of the school bus that she was on a couple days a week. And then they'd only see the bus stop if they happened to be driving in or out, or getting the mail, at the right time. So maybe they saw the schoolbus stop there once or twice, this fall. An older kid, getting off the bus, once or twice this fall, could just be going to visit her aunt & uncle or family friends. Schools will let kids take a different bus or get off at a different stop if they are notified in advance by the parent.
 
gitana1 said:
I went out and tested my slider, thanks to @SeekingJana's info, which is scary. Luckily, mine would not budge at all. Not even a tiny bit! It's a newer model and was tightly sealed.

Do we know how old the Closs home is? I wonder how old the windows and slider are?
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Their home looks to be 1960s/70s era to me. To continue on the security of sliding doors thread - I lived in a townhouse in NJ, where the entire development was built in the 1980s. There was some local crime and the local police agreed to speak to us residents about safety. They talked about the sliding door security issues that have been discussed here and really focused on the one where a door can be lifted out of the tracks. They showed us how to drill a screw into the UPPER track when the door was open, to create a "block" to fill in that gap, so when you'd close the door it could NOT be lifted out of the tracks. And then, of course, insert the wooden or metal rod in the lower track to keep the door from being jerked open and possibly even beef up the locks to enhance the ones the door came with. Glass is glass, but it would throw off a "casual" burglar who knew he/she could just lift the door out of the tracks. As a single female at the time, the notion that my door lock there wasn't secure really threw me for a loop so I immediately worked on the screw implementation.
 
SeekingJana said:
How to get your patio door UNLATCHED and OFF the slider tracks ( meaning one panel is off and that space is open to air).

I know this works. Might want to ignore the last part about breaking the glass because NO ONE does this. Break your window and climb in first.


https://www.ackermansecurity.com/news/why-burglars-love-sliding-glass-doors-amp-how


One last thing: This is assuming the Closs family didn't have a " stick" or additional after- market lock installed. I've never had either one on a patio door because if all else failed, the intruder WOULD break the glass. That's a last ditch maneuver. Just read the ackermansecurity.com report, OK?
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I just typed up a long response to you but the page got reloaded and I lost it.


The “stick” is called a Charley bar. The website you posted is a company trying to sell their services. Put up window treatments so no one sees inside. Get a Charley bar. This site claims burglars LIKE tempered glass bc it doesn’t cut them. Lol. Tempered glass is far stronger than plate glass and not as burglar friendly. This website is not a good source in this instance imo. They are trying to sell services and products, and worrying homeowners is the best way for that industry to do so. I’m not knocking their hustle by any means, but I’m in the industry and I can see a sales pitch from a mile away. This website is a sales pitch.

ETA I’m not in the security industry but glass industry. Work closely together but not the same
 
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Wrenny said:
What the heck is this on the front lawn? I increased brightness and contrast a little to make it easier to see. View attachment 153067
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Not sure, hard to tell. Others have said it is an antenna, either on top of the house (due to the camera angle) or in the yard. When I first saw it, I thought it was just the remnants of a summer garden or something along those lines.
 
dixiegirl1035 said:
I keep wondering why, when the nine-one-one operator was listening to the call, that they classified it as a potential suicide. Something on that call let them to believe such. I'm trying to think of a scenario that would make them think such.
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They didn't, the first officer on the scene called back in to dispatch that it is a potential suicide. It was classified as a 911 hang up until he got there. One person down in an empty house with a gunshot in an area with very low violent crime - statistically it was more likely to be a suicide than a homicide.
 
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