AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #16

[JRW]

I respectfully disagree. I believe they have information that hasn't and won't be shared with the public at this point that makes them strongly believe she is alive. JMO

I agree. I have felt from the beginning that the LE know WAY more than they are letting on... I don't believe that they know her location or where she is being held, but I feel that they feel strongly she is still alive and there is alot of information they are not releasing. I think they found something in the house and they are just waiting for the final piece to fall into place to put the puzzle together. This is just MOO but they seem to be keeping something quiet.

 

[lonetraveler]

I love how that was just so casually mentioned. Before I left for the afternoon after reading that, I couldn't find anywhere where the sheriff addressed this with the media. I am just wondering in my mind, what would be the purpose of even posting this to the public- especially about the motion detection cameras. No doubt LE has a great reason for doing so, but it's a puzzle to me, as the perp now knows there's cameras there.

I wonder if this is why they didn't fix the front door of the house, leaving it open for anyone that wanted to go in. I know there was a tarp or sheet over it, but I find it strange for them to just leave it like that.

Does seem that the door would have been boarded over by at least a family member after LE released it back to the family.

 

[JRW]

I saw she ran XC but haven't seen track. It would be difficult/disinteresting to a pedo to be a spectator at XC, as you see the runners at the start and basically not again until the finish line (they run the rest of the 5k through a wooded trail).

thank you for clearing that up. I thought that was the same as running track. I am unfamiliar with the sport.

 

[bechk45]

Or I would add to this that it was all a home invasion gone terribly wrong.

Based on everything presented thus far and the similar style of petty crimes in the area, I still think home invasion gone wrong from a meth head, or trying to buy drugs from the wrong house is the most likely scenario.

 

[margarita25]

My knee jerk reaction was KJA has something to do with Jayme's disappearance but given his history I think he saw opportunity for clothes in his own odd thinking. I recall reading that he stated to LE that the items were things that "wouldn't be missed" and wanted to know her size. Disturbing way to think but imo he thought he could sneak in there and get clothes like a shopping trip. The risk he took and the fact he took opportunity of a homicide locale is a sign to me he has serious issues and has poor impulse control. Yikes
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Kyle+Jaenke+Annis+Complaint.pdf

He is messing with a major criminal investigation! Compromising potential evidence, etc. Jayme’s clothes need to be accounted for, etc, we don’t even know what she was wearing for goodness sakes. While the crime scene has already been processed, we know that LE will go back several times, especially as new information may arise. I hope this man is charged to the highest extent. This situation is bad enough without some nutjob pervert further contaminating and removing evidence from the scene, taking Jayme’s things!

This infuriates me.

 

[JRW]

If there has been no contact it means there are no plans for her to come home. You don't kill parents (or at least not both) if you want a ransom unless its a grandparent that has the money to pay. It doesn't seem like she had a secret relationship online or with a local. This kind of abduction sounds like an older man. Someone who lives alone that feels they could keep a young woman without detection.

Or a younger man who feels he can take her and "run away" with her... Has anyone heard if they are actively looking outside the area for her? It could be someone that has her on the run and not keeping her in one location. Since her parents are passed he could have her convinced that no one is looking for her and that he is her only protection or support system now.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Since it was burglarized the night before the funeral I doubt the family had a chance to clean anything or fix the doors before that. On top of all this going on they probably still have to work their regular jobs. Hopefully they will get a chance to fix the door this coming weekend. I don't know if I could stand to go there if this happened to my family. I would probably hire someone. But not everyone has that luxury.



I think if they had any indication certain clothes were missing after the murders they would tell us. We haven't heard anything about her possible clothes or shoes.

Jayme has friends and was known in the community before this happened. We most likely will not see many of her friends speak to the press unless this goes on for many years and they become adults and decide to speak. Many are terrified and trying to protect their kids from the national media attention IMO. There is brief interview with the mom of one of Jayme's "Close friends" about 1:30 in this video (the girl is present but her face is not shown):

In this video the lady selling bracelets says her kids went to daycare with Jayme:

Earlier on in the case there was an interview with one of her friends:

Jayme’s friend *advertiser censored* said she knows the entire Closs family well. Her parents worked with Jayme’s parents. She said she doesn’t understand why anyone would harm them.
“I don’t think that there was anybody that would of been against them because they were such nice people, and I don’t think anybody would want to hurt them,” *advertiser censored* said.

*advertiser censored* also said whoever has her should give her back because there’s a lot of people who really love her and don’t want to see anything bad happen to her.
Family, friends share stories of who Jayme Closs is

*Friend's name changed to initials by me

We know a lot about Jayme's interest and activities. She ran cross country, danced, and liked art. The school superintendent read an essay she wrote for school in which she said if she won a million dollar she would give it to the poor and feed the hungry. She has been described a quiet and caring girl who was very close to her parents.



Here is Tricia's post on KJA:
AMBER ALERT - WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #16

FYI. Usually there are services that can be hired to clean and their homeowners insurance should cover cleaning paint and flooring replacement as well as a new front door

Also as far as LE releasing information in burglary, as soon as alleged suspect was charged those documents are court record and public info.

 

[Sillybilly]

Reminder:

WS is victim friendly. Jayme and her parents are victims and there is nothing whatsoever to indicate or substantiate drug use or any type of abuse by Jayme's parents. Such posts are removed.

Also, a reference to the "current police bulletin no longer knows what vehicle to keep an eye out for" is NOT supported by a link and is therefore considered rumor. Please do not discuss it until/unless a link is provided.

Thanks folks.

 

[IslandGirrl]

He is messing with a major criminal investigation! Compromising potential evidence, etc. Jayme’s clothes need to be accounted for, etc, we don’t even know what she was wearing for goodness sakes. While the crime scene has already been processed, we know that LE will go back several times, especially as new information may arise. I hope this man is charged to the highest extent. This situation is bad enough without some nutjob pervert further contaminating and removing evidence from the scene, taking Jayme’s things!

This infuriates me.

Absolutely, it is an active case...even if home has been cleared.

 

[DancingMuse]

He is messing with a major criminal investigation! Compromising potential evidence, etc. Jayme’s clothes need to be accounted for, etc, we don’t even know what she was wearing for goodness sakes. While the crime scene has already been processed, we know that LE will go back several times, especially as new information may arise. I hope this man is charged to the highest extent. This situation is bad enough without some nutjob pervert further contaminating and removing evidence from the scene, taking Jayme’s things!

This infuriates me.

On many levels I agree with you margarita25; As others have stated too, this behavior is disrespectful to the family, infuriating and shows a huge lack of impulse control.

However, hopefully, KJA has-been/could-be a fount of information for LE.

He seems to get around, unnoticed.

He walks, or rides a bicycle some distance, and thereby observes more of what is going on around him, than a motorist.

He lurks and watches people’s properties (we know this, as per the August arrest; ugh).

He knows where a fair number of empty cabins are (because he’s lived in them, presumably, during the times he’s been homeless).

He knows paths between the places mentioned above.

He works at the main employer in town……..

He can be easily persuaded to talk, hopefully, if shown kindness and attention,……

He always needs money… which might bring him into contact with others in public places where people go …….. who might be …loose-lipped, bragging, or planning something…..​

I'd be very interested in KJA's answers to the following of LE's questions:

1. Who do YOU think committed this double homicide?

2. Did you notice any parked trucks alongside the road during the dates in question?

3. Which cabins in the woods suddenly have inhabitants?

4. Any cars driving around without lights on?

5. Did you pass anyone else on the paths between properties around the time of the crime?


I would think KJA would not come forward himself about that night in question, unless he was coaxed.

He might know something; And not even know he knows something

 

[elektroangel]

maybe if not family a close family friend or a close friend of Jayme's?

<edited fingers got ahead of my brain>

I question it because they hadn't list her as a missing person yet. There was no mention of her in the report until after they left for that house. We aren't even sure how long before they realized she lived there and was missing. How would they even know where to look that soon considering the Sheriff stated they had never been to that house in the past, nor did they have any sort of record on the family.

All other homes visited, or family called, were listed in the report, with names. This particular home just had an address. But someone mentioned maybe it was a separate call, maybe it just ended up on the wrong report. Who knows?

I think they know a lot more than they are leading us to believe, maybe to protect the safety of Jayme or other family/friends. I don't think this was random, I don't think it was a case of the wrong house or a home invasion. To me it seems very professional, well planned and carried out without a trace.

 

[PommyMommy]

Thank you PommyMommy..

While the police usually say these are only vehicles of interest it usually turns out they believe one or both vehicles are involved. They are trying not to spook them.

However it is very interesting that neither of the drivers have contacted police.

This case has been published statewide and all across the country so these drivers would have to live in a cave not to know about these two vehicles of interest. I ceratainly dont believe either driver lives in a cave do you?

With no one coming forward willing admitting it's their vehicles and they were in the area at the very same time of the murders and kidnapping is confirming to the investigators they are on the right track imo.

Jmo

Nope, neither driver lives in a cave and I agree; it's logical to conclude that one of the vehicles was involved in the crimes if the owner(s) have not come forward. MOO

 

[bonjoviblonde]

DancingMuse, very good points. He could be a wealth of information. I actually didn't even think of this.

 

[SandyQLS]

Now that posting has slowed down, I would be very interested in internal polling here. I am not the best poster to setup that sort of thing, but I would like to see condensed opinions as percentages. For example:

YES: You think abduction of Jayme was the primary purpose of this crime.

Or

NO: You do NOT think the abduction of Jayme was the primary purpose of this crime.

I know most of you have considered all the great ideas and multiple scenarios, but what is your strongest gut feeling or thought process on just that Yes or No.

Thank you.

 

[Gardener1850]

I agree. At this point I definitely lean toward Jayme NOT being the target, reason, or motive for the home invasion.

So what do you think they did with her after they took her?

 

[Mistermagoo]

FYI. Usually there are services that can be hired to clean and their homeowners insurance should cover cleaning paint and flooring replacement as well as a new front door

Also as far as LE releasing information in burglary, as soon as alleged suspect was charged those documents are court record and public info.

I was just wondering what the house was like when he was in it. There was most likely some things most people wouldn't want to see, yet he just forged ahead

 

[kay74]

I think this rage killing was someone at the place the parent's worked at. The FBI and LE should look at their company's employment records to see if anyone was fired or left within the month before they were killed. Someone was mad. They could have gotten someone in trouble. IMO

 

[photographer4]

On many levels I agree with you margarita25; As others have stated too, this behavior is disrespectful to the family, infuriating and shows a huge lack of impulse control.

However, hopefully, KJA has-been/could-be a fount of information for LE.

He seems to get around, unnoticed.

He walks, or rides a bicycle some distance, and thereby observes more of what is going on around him, than a motorist.

He lurks and watches people’s properties (we know this, as per the August arrest; ugh).

He knows where a fair number of empty cabins are (because he’s lived in them, presumably, during the times he’s been homeless).

He knows paths between the places mentioned above.

He works at the main employer in town……..

He can be easily persuaded to talk, hopefully, if shown kindness and attention,……

He always needs money… which might bring him into contact with others in public places where people go …….. who might be …loose-lipped, bragging, or planning something…..​

I'd be very interested in KJA's answers to the following of LE's questions:

1. Who do YOU think committed this double homicide?

2. Did you notice any parked trucks alongside the road during the dates in question?

3. Which cabins in the woods suddenly have inhabitants?

4. Any cars driving around without lights on?

5. Did you pass anyone else on the paths between properties around the time of the crime?



I would think KJA would not come forward himself about that night in question, unless he was coaxed.

He might know something; And not even know he knows something

I'd point out that there is 50 thousand dollar reward for Jayme's location. Surely being as poor as he seems to be, and having set up a go fund me for himself to obtain a sex change operation, he'd cough up any info he might have on her whereabouts? The only reason not to would be fear of retaliation by someone scary and powerful. Like someone who just took a minor child and killed her parents in their own home.

 

[kay74]

This was rage, it didn't come from someone online with Jayme. I previously thought that but not anymore.

 

[Cardinal47]

I keep praying, every time I read here, that the one tip has come in. Fingers sure crossed on this one.