AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #22

[oceanblueeyes]

I'm losing my mind

LOL the MSM has a way of helping that along nowadays.

There were many quoted statements in that article but none about Jim being there was quoted.

Which makes me think it was an assumption by the MSM writer.

If they do have Jaymes cell phone that is one of the reasons Fitzgerald continues to say they know Jayme had no involvement in what happened. The other is they have been able to enhance the 911 call.

Just because no one was directly talking to the dispatcher it does seem things were being said in the background.

Now it makes me wonder if the cell phone fell to the floor during the chaos and it got stepped on accidentally activating it.

If Jayme knew this suspect and knew this was going to happen they would have been sure not to leave hers behind knowing the history contents could be seen. They would have taken it and immediately taken the battery out or destroyed it.

Imo

 

[deugirtni]

Does anyone know the hours of the shifts at Jenny-O? ie I assume there are 3 shifts? Usually shifts go something like: 7am-3pm days; 3pm-11pm afternoons; 11pm-7am;
If DC's sister Suzi communicated with DC around 8;30pm, that would assume the party was over by then, and ended at least long enough before that time, for DC and Jayme to drive home.
If JC couldn't attend because he was at work, that might assume that he was therefore on 'afternoon shift'? (because if days, then he easily could have arrived at the party after his shift ended around 3pm?; and we already know that he was at home at 1am, so he also was not on the night shift);
If JC was on the afternoon shift, and it ended sometime around 11pm, and he drove home (not sure how far it is from the JennyO facility to the Closs home?), could it be possible that it was some wild-eyed, redneck roadrager seeking revenge for some perceived indignity on the road?
Follows the guy home, goes to the door, breaks it open, starts shooting at JC, then at his wife when he sees her.. not realizing there is also a child in the home.. takes her and speeds off?

 

[gipsypup]

This falls in line with a question I had about his Dryden interview. Fitzgerald said he has (or is working on) a timeline of their whole week leading up to this night. Someone asked a question about that day and he said he knows about the party, what time they left, and where they went afterward. (Clearly speaking of Jayme and Denise). He says something to the effect of, theres no reason to release that days timeline because theres nothing the public could offer from it that would help the case. But then....someone asks if James was at the casino that day and he says he dont know. ?? If he has a timeline, does it not include James? If not, why? If it does include James, did 'I dont know' mean the same as 'no comment'? He surely has a yes or no answer to that question.

Great point! A timeline is important in any case. Knowing where they were and who they had contact with that day is important. Unless, the sheriff says where they were isn't important because he may have evidence pointing to an angle that doesn't involve anything to do with that days events.

 

[JnRyan]

This falls in line with a question I had about his Dryden interview. Fitzgerald said he has (or is working on) a timeline of their whole week leading up to this night. Someone asked a question about that day and he said he knows about the party, what time they left, and where they went afterward. (Clearly speaking of Jayme and Denise). He says something to the effect of, theres no reason to release that days timeline because theres nothing the public could offer from it that would help the case. But then....someone asks if James was at the casino that day and he says he dont know. ?? If he has a timeline, does it not include James? If not, why? If it does include James, did 'I dont know' mean the same as 'no comment'? He surely has a yes or no answer to that question.

I get that LE needs to keep some things undisclosed as it could jeopardize the investigation and possibly the follow-on arrest and trial. But telling the public that the timeline is nothing that can help the public solve the case would seem to have the potential to squash tips. IOW, what if they stopped for gas on the way home from the party and someone saw something or someone that was suspicious? "Oh, LE has the timeline and they got this.", might be the thought. (Yeah, surveillance cameras might reveal who was at the pumps, but not all stations have cameras covering the parking spots away from the pumps.) Not everyone might associate a suspicious person or something out of place with Jayme if they don't know Jayme or they didn't see Jayme because she didn't leave the vehicle. But if they find out that Jayme and her mother were at a location at the same time they were it might trigger a tip.

 

[KLM6]

Great point! A timeline is important in any case. Knowing where they were and who they had contact with that day is important. Unless, the sheriff says where they were isn't important because he may have evidence pointing to an angle that doesn't involve anything to do with that days events.

Totally agree. But why not answer the question about james? Maybe because if it was yes then people would go crazy with meaningless speculation?? That threw me off. Only because he said how much he knew about the timeline, followed by "i dont know." I guess it was too direct of a question. ?

 

[JohnTate90210]

If they broadcast a “Dateline” episode then maybe the thing of James being at the party will be clarified.

 

[gipsypup]

I get that LE needs to keep some things undisclosed as it could jeopardize the investigation and possibly the follow-on arrest and trial. But telling the public that the timeline is nothing that can help the public solve the case would seem to have the potential to squash tips. IOW, what if they stopped for gas on the way home from the party and someone saw something or someone that was suspicious? "Oh, LE has the timeline and they got this.", might be the thought. (Yeah, surveillance cameras might reveal who was at the pumps, but not all stations have cameras covering the parking spots away from the pumps.) Not everyone might associate a suspicious person or something out of place with Jayme if they don't know Jayme or they didn't see Jayme because she didn't leave the vehicle. But if they find out that Jayme and her mother were at a location at the same time they were it might trigger a tip.

Yes, based on the sheriff's comments it seems to me like he isn't concerned at all where James was that night and views the casino possibility as irrelevant. IMO.

 

[Peppery]

I wonder what happened to the original 911 call connection? I have always understood that the 911 dispatcher will keep that line going (and recording) until personnel arrive to take over? But yet it has been reported that the dispatcher tried numerous times to contact the phone. How did the original call get disconnected?

"A dispatch log released on October 19 indicates that several attempts by the operator to reach the 911 caller went unanswered."
Investigators no closer to finding missing teen Jayme Closs whose parents were found dead in Wisconsin home

There are likely multiple lines at dispatch. The operator may have used another line to attempt to call back while keeping the original call recording until it was disconnected somehow. Moo

 

[KLM6]

I get that LE needs to keep some things undisclosed as it could jeopardize the investigation and possibly the follow-on arrest and trial. But telling the public that the timeline is nothing that can help the public solve the case would seem to have the potential to squash tips. IOW, what if they stopped for gas on the way home from the party and someone saw something or someone that was suspicious? "Oh, LE has the timeline and they got this.", might be the thought. (Yeah, surveillance cameras might reveal who was at the pumps, but not all stations have cameras covering the parking spots away from the pumps.) Not everyone might associate a suspicious person or something out of place with Jayme if they don't know Jayme or they didn't see Jayme because she didn't leave the vehicle. But if they find out that Jayme and her mother were at a location at the same time they were it might trigger a tip.

Also agree, unless hes got a theory we dont know about that the timeline dont matter, or that revealing it would hinder his case. My main question though is why he answered "i dont know" when asked if James was at the casino that day? Because he surely does know. I just found it out of the ordinary for that particular part of the conversation.

 

[Peppery]

I think some comments were taken out of context " Denise Smiled" sounds like tht was a rare occassion the way it's written. IMOO, but all accounts say she was sweet & kind and happy Idk It's possible James was there during a time the grandfather was not there. Maybe only briefly to drop them off and left or to bring something to Denise? That could be a real possibility.
MOO AND JMO but: does it concern anybody else, that in a lot of the photos Jayme can barely look up she is so shy? I've never met a child that shy. Who's behind the camera for those pics? Her younger photos she seems more open. I do wonder if something happend to make her painfully shy. I have seen toddlers hide behind a parent, just seems odd IMOO.
(Edited in an attempt to fix the grammar, gave up, hope it makes sense lol)

I have noticed her posture but didn’t connect it to being shy. I was thinking there’s a physical reason she held herself that way. It could really be anything though.

 

[Peppery]

Did the dad not have his own cellphone?

That hasn’t been confirmed either way

 

[cody22]

Did the dad not have his own cellphone?

We do not know.

 

[proctorelites]

I'm just curious. The comment about Denise's sister calling her at 830pm as normal: what happens at 830pm? Does sister get off work, put her kids to bed or, is Denise getting off work or getting Jayme to bed? Are they getting home from mass at 830pm? (Idk times for mass,not Catholic) I usually call my grandmother at 8am bc I'm headed to work and know I wont have time to during the day & she'll be asleep later. Is there significance in 8:30pm. What normally happens at or near tht time, is this when Denise & jayme arrive home on Sunday evenings? JMO ALWAYS.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I have no reason to not believe Jim's father. None. He would have absolutely no reason to lie about this. It would be one of the first things that could easily be verified.

I really dont care about what his shift was. There are various reasons why he may have gone in that day even for a couple of hours or a full day..

The timeline of that Sunday involving all three victims has long been verified by the investigators so it's a non issue for me that it has to be publically verified for me.

Imo Jim was at work at the time of the party. If he had been at the party then of course the reporter would have asked Suzie about Jim too if he had attended the party.

I think this is another example of where MSM assumed something and that is why that statement was not in quotes like so many others that were in quotes. Those which are in quotes are the only ones I find credible. The other about Jim is unvetted filler imo.

Didn't Fitzgerald say to not believe anything unless it came directly from him? If so ...this is a prime example why he stressed that point.

Jmo

 

[carbuff]

Totally agree. But why not answer the question about james? Maybe because if it was yes then people would go crazy with meaningless speculation?? That threw me off. Only because he said how much he knew about the timeline, followed by "i dont know." I guess it was too direct of a question. ?

Or maybe they really haven't been able to confirm whether he was or wasn't there. Like for instance if somebody says they saw him but he's not on surveillance videos (just an example!), or something like that. In my experience, when an LEO says they don't know, that means they don't know.

 

[JnRyan]

Also agree, unless hes got a theory we dont know about that the timeline dont matter, or that revealing it would hinder his case. My main question though is why he answered "i dont know" when asked if James was at the casino that day? Because he surely does know. I just found it out of the ordinary for that particular part of the conversation.

Yes, that would seem to indicate that the timeline was still a work in progress at that time. So why not enlist the public's help? I don't if the story about James being at a casino is true. But again, for the sake of an example, let's say Denise tells some others he is at the casino and that is just a cover story when, in fact, he might be somewhere else and Denise is providing that cover story. In that example, James could be somewhere else for a completely legal, moral and ethical reason but they consider it private. Now with Denise and James deceased could something have happened there that was related to the crime? Or just as bad, it had no connection whatsoever to the crime, but LE has a major hole in the timeline and LE DOES NOT know if it is relevant or not and they are going down another rabbit hole.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'm just curious. The comment about Denise's sister calling her at 830pm as normal: what happens at 830pm? Does sister get off work, put her kids to bed or, is Denise getting off work or getting Jayme to bed? Are they getting home from mass at 830pm? (Idk times for mass,not Catholic) I usually call my grandmother at 8am bc I'm headed to work and know I wont have time to during the day & she'll be asleep later. Is there significance in 8:30pm. What normally happens at or near tht time, is this when Denise & jayme arrive home on Sunday evenings? JMO ALWAYS.

I think it shows just how normal that day was which is heartbreaking to even think about.

Just a normal day and a normal call between sisters talking about the day and how they had enjoyed being together.

I have always felt all 3 were home and most likely already in bed for the night never having a clue of what was to come.

Imo

 

[human]

I found it discouraging that Fitzgerald seems to be entertaining "psychics" in this case. No offense to those of you who do believe in that sort of thing, but those comments alone tells me LE really has nothing to go on.

He doesn't find tips like " she's in a barn " helpful... but some "psychic " telling him to look by a body of water prompts LE to go look at bodies of water ?

Wow. Color me frustrated and confused.

He said they put the psychic tips together with any others that may be the same. It is possible the psychic is the perp or someone who really knows what happened and calls in as a psychic. Who knows.

The cases on WS show that perps have bizarre ideas. Look at the latest shooter who took Instagram while killing. And he did it cuz he was bored, he says

 

[kkdj]

Investigators no closer to finding missing teen Jayme Closs whose parents were found dead in Wisconsin home

 

[KLM6]

Or maybe they really haven't been able to confirm whether he was or wasn't there. Like for instance if somebody says they saw him but he's not on surveillance videos (just an example!), or something like that. In my experience, when an LEO says they don't know, that means they don't know.

Or they dont want us to know. Which is fine, too. I just found it peculiar. Especially because it was off by comparison to the the rest of the conversation. And also since one of the first places LE went was to the casino. Maybe it really was to secure video surveillance of cars potentially passing by. Or, maybe not. This far into the investigation it doesnt seem to me like that provided to be supportive. Is that really why they went there? We may never know. A yes to that question may tell us. But also may or may not have meaning to this case. Idk. moo.