AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #22

[Stunned]

I know that here the track teams run all over town, not just on the track. Maybe that’s how she was noticed.

 

[human]

Investigators no closer to finding missing teen Jayme Closs whose parents were found dead in Wisconsin home

Lots of quotes from Denise’s sister.

This article says Jim was at the party and theY have Jayme’s phone?

 

[Get off my Lawn!]

bbm

I'm not seeing that reported any where else - actually I believe the sheriff reported Denise's phone was found. No word on Jayme's.

Seems the new article has a few problems, imo.

I remember in the first few days County Sheriff Chris Fitzgerald said Jayme's phone was switched off.

 

[human]

Let me get this straight....The police have both Denise and Jayme's cell phones...... James Closs was now at the Birthday Party...... Why did the Grandfather give statements to the Media, that James was at work, during the party, and was not there ?

It makes me question this article and the info given

 

[Bluebythec]

I'm just curious. The comment about Denise's sister calling her at 830pm as normal: what happens at 830pm? Does sister get off work, put her kids to bed or, is Denise getting off work or getting Jayme to bed? Are they getting home from mass at 830pm? (Idk times for mass,not Catholic) I usually call my grandmother at 8am bc I'm headed to work and know I wont have time to during the day & she'll be asleep later. Is there significance in 8:30pm. What normally happens at or near tht time, is this when Denise & jayme arrive home on Sunday evenings? JMO ALWAYS.

If Denise worked the 3-11 shift, maybe that's when she took her lunch break? I don't think I've read anything that determined what shift she worked.

 

[#Hayls]

Yes, based on the sheriff's comments it seems to me like he isn't concerned at all where James was that night and views the casino possibility as irrelevant. IMO.

Casinos have excellent security cameras and systems.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Or maybe they really haven't been able to confirm whether he was or wasn't there. Like for instance if somebody says they saw him but he's not on surveillance videos (just an example!), or something like that. In my experience, when an LEO says they don't know, that means they don't know.

Didn't he say this early on the case? Or are you saying he is still saying it now?

I have seen law enforcement department heads like Fitzgerald say they dont know certain things.

The investigators including the FBI have meetings with him and gives him periodic updates on the ongoing case.

Fitzgerald does not actually investigate the case himself. It is his investigators and assisting agency investigators who do all of the investigating. So he really may not have known at that given time.

If it was in the first few days I can understand him not knowing at that time since they would have to investigate fully in order to verify all timelines concerning all three victims movements on the 14th.

But by now I dont think they need the public's help in knowing where all three were that day. I believe they have long known that information

They said they do need tips and leads including the vehicles. I think they have asked for assistance in the areas they need it but verifying Jim's whereabouts didn't need the public's help and that is why they have never asked for it.

As you know ongoing investigations are constantly fluid in forward motion where more and more evidence and verifying everything is becoming known and done. They know much more now than in the beginning.

Jmo

 

[human]

There could be a number of reasons for that. ie they rec'd the info in a tip and they have not yet been able to substantiate it, but at the same time, they don't want the perp, if it IS a 19 y/o bf, to think they haven't got anything on him; they rec'd the info in a tip and after investigating, can't find any evidence of that, however they don't want to discourage people from submitting tips; they may know of a 19 y/o bf who has been cleared but aren't ready/willing to speak to that; etc.

Good points. If it is a perp who thinks Jayme had a crush on him, let him think that.

It could be, as many have said, a grocery carry out boy who Jayme smiled at once or any other type of person she encountered incidentally.

We know there are many disturbed people out there

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I know that here the track teams run all over town, not just on the track. Maybe that’s how she was noticed.

She ran cross-country, not track. Usually cross-country teams practice everywhere BUT the track. You knew who was cross-country and who was track by where they practiced, even if you never went to a meet, when I was in high school.

 

[human]

This is moving fast. I believe I had 3 posts in the last thread and probably none in the one before.

I have difficulty believing this is a complete stranger or a random act. (I'm not ruling it out as stranger things have happened.) I don't believe this person (or persons) knew Jayme that well if she was the target. If they did and they did their homework what about Jayme being alone at a school bus stop? She is a cross country runner, so does she run to stay in shape or for fun? Many runners wear ear buds with an iPod or phone to listen to music and that would be ideal for an abduction, if Jayme was the target. Taking Jayme at the school bus stop might not alert anyone and if successful she might not be noticed as missing until the end of the school day. Even if the school calls home or parent's work that still gives the abductors more than 4 minutes of a head start.

The home invasion approach - if Jayme was the target - baffles me. I know I've said it before, I would have to be VERY desperate to invade a home not knowing the layout or what guns might be in the home. Maybe they have been there before. As a friend or relative of someone visiting. Someone involved in home maintenance such HVAC repair, plumbing, electrical and appliance delivery. (I would imagine LE has tried to track down every such instance in the last year or so.)

I partially believe this was all about Jayme and she was the ultimate target. But I can just as easily believe this was revenge for something - either real or perceived - and the abduction of Jayme was part of the revenge act.

The school bus stop is on the driveway I imagine. The home sits on a highway where 6000 plus cars pass by per day as was posted by another WS poster .

That is a lot of cars per hour. I don’t think there would be a time where he would be unseen. Plus, the bus stops with the stop arm out until the child has passed. She would be up the driveway before the driver left.

However, I think it is possible that she was seen by someone as she got off the bus almost everyday.

I wonder if she took the bus every morning? Did she wait alone at the bottom of the driveway for the bus every morning?

 

[human]

I think some comments were taken out of context " Denise Smiled" sounds like tht was a rare occassion the way it's written. IMOO, but all accounts say she was sweet & kind and happy Idk It's possible James was there during a time the grandfather was not there. Maybe only briefly to drop them off and left or to bring something to Denise? That could be a real possibility.
MOO AND JMO but: does it concern anybody else, that in a lot of the photos Jayme can barely look up she is so shy? I've never met a child that shy. Who's behind the camera for those pics? Her younger photos she seems more open. I do wonder if something happend to make her painfully shy. I have seen toddlers hide behind a parent, just seems odd IMOO.
(Edited in an attempt to fix the grammar, gave up, hope it makes sense lol)

Good observations re the shyness

 

[human]

Yes, that would seem to indicate that the timeline was still a work in progress at that time. So why not enlist the public's help? I don't if the story about James being at a casino is true. But again, for the sake of an example, let's say Denise tells some others he is at the casino and that is just a cover story when, in fact, he might be somewhere else and Denise is providing that cover story. In that example, James could be somewhere else for a completely legal, moral and ethical reason but they consider it private. Now with Denise and James deceased could something have happened there that was related to the crime? Or just as bad, it had no connection whatsoever to the crime, but LE has a major hole in the timeline and LE DOES NOT know if it is relevant or not and they are going down another rabbit hole.

They did not arrive from the party to their home by teleport. They know nothing of what happened. For all they know, Denise picked someone up they saw walking and brought that person home. How could LE possibly know eveything that happened on the drive home. Maybe they stopped at the perp’s isolated home for some benign reason.

 

[Moonsie]

I know that here the track teams run all over town, not just on the track. Maybe that’s how she was noticed.

This has been my thought since the beginning. I wonder if the team runs past the jail. The school is pretty close to it. Someone could have been planning this for months.

moo.

 

[human]

This has been my thought since the beginning. I wonder if the team runs past the jail. The school is pretty close to it. Someone could have been planning this for months.

How long is the cross country season?

The runners go by quickly. It would have to be someone is a stationary position who can watch them. Someone at a home . At a window, they would only have a short vision as they passed. Someone in a car would not see enough as they ran by.

 

[DancingMuse]

I'm losing my mind

Me too.
I'm trying to think of logical explanations.
I'm imagining what happens at my family gatherings.

Let's say James got off work, two hours or so after the party started. He arrived. The main gift-giving had ended. Folks had already kind of dispersed in the house. The children were playing with gifts. Maybe the grandfather was out working in the garage on something, and didn't see James arrive at that later point. (or taking a nap upstairs, or went and did errands,etc.) So, to him, James "didn't make it to the party". But the sister was in the house the whole time, and James was hanging out with the rest of the family in the later part of the afternoon. Grandpa then returned, after the point everyone had left, never having seen James.

 

[carbuff]

Didn't he say this early on the case? Or are you saying he is still saying it now?

I have seen law enforcement department heads like Fitzgerald say they dont know certain things.

The investigators including the FBI have meetings with him and gives him periodic updates on the ongoing case.

Fitzgerald does not actually investigate the case himself. It is his investigators and assisting agency investigators who do all of the investigating. So he really may not have known at that given time.

If it was in the first few days I can understand him not knowing at that time since they would have to investigate fully in order to verify all timelines concerning all three victims movements on the 14th.

But by now I dont think they need the public's help in knowing where all three were that day. I believe they have long known that information

They said they do need tips and leads including the vehicles. I think they have asked for assistance in the areas they need it but verifying Jim's whereabouts didn't need the public's help and that is why they have never asked for it.

As you know ongoing investigations are constantly fluid in forward motion where more and more evidence and verifying everything is becoming known and done. They know much more now than in the beginning.

Jmo

In the Dryden interview on Saturday, the sheriff answered a question about James and the casino with "I don't know."

And I said maybe he gave that answer because they really don't know. I didn't intend to imply anything about the investigation, the timeline, or anything else.

I'm sorry I didn't include enough "in my experience" and "example only" disclaimers.

 

[andreww]

This has been my thought since the beginning. I wonder if the team runs past the jail. The school is pretty close to it. Someone could have been planning this for months.

I'm not going to discount this theory, however I find it to be quite unlikely. You'd have to find somebody that was both a stone cold killer AND a pedophile wrapped up in to one package. People don't tend to blur those lines, they are either one thing or another, seldom both. And as I've said from the beginning, if the motive was to abduct Jayme for sexual purposes, there would be a bout a million better ways to go about it. If this person came to the house specifically for Jayme, then the parents would only have been eliminated because this person was or wanted to be in a relationship with her. That suggests a long term plan, which is probably why I still believe she is alive somewhere.

 

[human]

I'm not going to discount this theory, however I find it to be quite unlikely. You'd have to find somebody that was both a stone cold killer AND a pedophile wrapped up in to one package. People don't tend to blur those lines, they are either one thing or another, seldom both. And as I've said from the beginning, if the motive was to abduct Jayme for sexual purposes, there would be a bout a million better ways to go about it. If this person came to the house specifically for Jayme, then the parents would only have been eliminated because this person was or wanted to be in a relationship with her. That suggests a long term plan, which is probably why I still believe she is alive somewhere.

I have to differ with you re killers and pedophiles. There are many many many examples of this on WS. Too sickeningly many.

 

[photographer4]

Investigators no closer to finding missing teen Jayme Closs whose parents were found dead in Wisconsin home

Lots of quotes from Denise’s sister.

In the first paragraph, the aunt states James came to the party with Denise... wth? I thought James didn't attend the party?? I should probably read the rest of that before I assume it means he attended, but now I think at the very least, did he drop them off????

"...who lived just a couple of miles away, came to the party with her husband Jim and their 13-year-old daughter, Jayme...."

 

[andreww]

I have to differ with you re killers and pedophiles. There are many many many examples of this on WS. Too sickeningly many.

Pedophiles that kill their victims, yes. I think a pedophile that kills two people to get at their victim is quite rare. Not saying its never happened, but its rare.