AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #22

[human]

I cannot access this from outside of the US. Their records can be checked to see if they paid their taxes. If so, it can be laid to rest that they owed a debt.

Tax Data Online - County Treasurer - Barron County, Wisconsin - www.barroncountywi.gov

 

[Charliegizmo49]

LE has specifically stated that from the 911 call as well as other evidence that she was there, at the house at the time of the murder. They seem to be confident based on the evidence. Jmo

Give me a link. I’ve read those it doesn’t quite say that. If I remember the wording right.

 

[1987]

Not really, because I haven't had a landline for over a decade. LOL. What does the phone company do to get that message to play?

it is part of their main system. in office or in their end of a computer. it lets the caller know the line is no longer in service to please check their number and dial again and it lets the phone company know to not immediately reassign the number

 

[elektroangel]

Not really, because I haven't had a landline for over a decade. LOL. What does the phone company do to get that message to play?

It is a canned messaged. When the number isn't in service it is played.

 

[Gardener1850]

it is part of their main system. in office or in their end of a computer. it lets the caller know the line is no longer in service to please check their number and dial again and it lets the phone company know to not immediately reassign the number

So it's all computerized? There is nothing physically done to the lines or the box when a customer disconnects service?
(Thanks for answering my dumb questions).

 

[kkdj]

I simply wondered if one has to walk out of a casino with a pile of money. I would hate to do that no matter what

Security would show if someone was following. imo

 

[MsBetsy]

I simply wondered if one has to walk out of a casino with a pile of money. I would hate to do that no matter what

Right, I would think they have the option to be payed in check or money transfer. Especially if it's thousands of dollars.

 

[cluciano63]

well it does give a timeline for the cars they're looking for. It also allowed LE to know Jayme was there at the time and left alive.

Do they know she left alive for sure, or only that none of her blood was found? And time of death would have been determined within an hour or two, anyway, by autopsy. Working in the shots heard, etc...they would probably still come up with around midnight...jmo

 

[elektroangel]

Could someone direct Andrew to the links. I don't have them saved. There are plenty.

I already did.

 

[1987]

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[Oakland CA]

We have been told by LE though that *they* believe she was home at the time of the killing and 911 call. They've not told us much just that they have evidence from the 911 call and the scene to indicate that she was home at the time.

Does LE believe Jayme was home at the time of the killing AND the 911 call?
Even if the murders took place hours before the 911 call?

I'm just not sure if LE is a) assuming or b) confirming that both took place within minutes of one another.

Would the ME be able to pin down and or confirm the exact time of the murders or would it just be a ball park estimate?

 

[MsBetsy]

Give me a link. I’ve read those it doesn’t quite say that. If I remember the wording right.

Oh, my, the source was so far back I wouldn't even guess which thread it was. Someone else can probably find it faster than me. I just know we discussed it at length many times and he clarified that Jayme was in the home at the time of the murder based on the 911 call and other evidence at the scene. I'm sorry I don't know the exact wording but it was pretty straight forward. I don't recall anyone interpreting it to mean he wasn't sure but I guess it's possible they may have.

 

[gipsypup]

I hope I don't get in trouble for sharing this. (Mods go easy on me lol).

Where I live is on a reservation. I had been working closely with the Tribal Sheriff to help young people and families deal with (****). The heroin and meth is organized and pandemic. Those that run it are ruthless......

This is MOO but one never knows if there is a tie in somehow.

Doesn't the St Croix tribe have their own police department? Not an expert on this stuff so I don't know how Tribal Police interact with LE and investigate crimes that may involve their casinos. It is eye opening to read the St Croix Tribal Police FB and some crimes that have recently happened at their casinos involving drugs and guns.
I wonder if the local LE investigates these crimes or is it strictly handled by tribal police?

 

[kkdj]

Do they know she left alive for sure, or only that none of her blood was found? And time of death would have been determined within an hour or two, anyway, by autopsy. Working in the shots heard, etc...they would probably still come up with around midnight...jmo

Iirc LE said she was taken alive and days later stated they felt she was still alive.

 

[Bugurl747]

I cant reconcile what puts him immediately at the door but has a delay in 911 call. if it was fast then I understand the delay in the call but not dad being that close to the door. if it was long enough to put dad that close to the door then I don't understand the delay in the 911 call.

I can reconcile the delay if I put Jayme trying to make the call and getting caught just before she is pushed out of the house and taken away. I can also imagine it was yelling and Jayme's voice heard on the 911 call as she was discovered trying to make the call. JMO

Regarding any reaction during the invasion/double murder/ Jayme's disappearance by JC, DC, or Jayme herself, I wanted to mention the bodies natural physiological reaction FIGHT vs FLIGHT.

The fight-or-flight response occurs in response to a perceived harmful event, attack, or threat to survival and is unique to the individual. One may think they would respond a certain way to a situation but one doesn't necessarily know until they are in it.

I find it difficult going back and forth at times because of the variables and or the combination of variables just in their responses alone without any evidence shared by LE. MOO

 

[bizzle2]

Does LE believe Jayme was home at the time of the killing AND the 911 call?
Even if the murders took place hours before the 911 call?

I'm just not sure if LE is a) assuming or b) confirming that both took place within minutes of one another.

Would the ME be able to pin down and or confirm the exact time of the murders or would it just be a ball park estimate?

BBM

I get the sense from LE that they think those two things may have happened at essentially the same time.

 

[Randazzo]

Convince me (with sources other than anecdotes) that such a message would only be heard if the phone company turned off the phone line.

If it was staged (call forwarding or someone connected a box to play a recording of the message) then the phone company and dispatch would know it. It's possible someone who works for the phone company could have disconnected the line without authorization but that's easy for LE to find out.

 

[cody22]

Oh, my, the source was so far back I wouldn't even guess which thread it was. Someone else can probably find it faster than me. I just know we discussed it at length many times and he clarified that Jayme was in the home at the time of the murder based on the 911 call and other evidence at the scene. I'm sorry I don't know the exact wording but it was pretty straight forward. I don't recall anyone interpreting it to mean he wasn't sure but I guess it's possible they may have.

First LE PC, if my memory is correct.

 

[Pretty Go Pale]

I rank the possibility of casino-backed action in this crime slightly behind extraterrestrial vengeance.

 

[human]

Security would show if someone was following. imo

A perp could leave later if they know who you are