AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #26

[Rubiconbob]

Commit the crime just after midnight, kill the parents. If you are lucky, no one is reported missing for at least eight, possibly more, hours. You could be five hundred miles away[/QUOTE

Think your right there... also think the 911 call messed up plans... start with gunshot through door ?? You could shot dad/mom...
Tie up girl ... do whatever for 3 hours.. then burn place down.. kudos to mom or jayme for calling 911 in less then 90 seconds

Still can’t figure that out... either mom had phone on YouTube or phone next to bed..to hear that first shot and call 911 .. that’s good

 

[charminglane]

Thank you. I've been off and on lately trying to keep up while taking new meds that do a kind of mind mess on me.
So Denise's phone could have been shot at and the blast moved it to its located position.
An agitated/frenzied/freak show of a killer may have heard the 911 operator calling back and just shot it to be done with it.

 

[mks762]

This was discussed at length a few threads back.
I think it was initial reaction upon seeing an older gentleman 45+ with a head wound that appeared to be a gunshot. Statistically speaking, it would be MOST likely to be suicide so "possible suicide" is what he radio'ed in.

No matter how much it is mentioned on however many threads- I will always look at the "possible suicide" as one of the most important aspects of this case. We know SO little. One thing we do know for a fact is a cop showed up to the Closs' house and the first thing he radios to dispatch is possible suicide. I would think for the safety of himself and other officers standard protocol/ a standard first reaction to seeing someone shot dead in the doorway of his house would actually be that he's been shot by someone (and that everyone needs to be on the lookout for this person- if the BG is still there or not). If they walked in and saw him hanging from a door frame then yes, possible suicide would make sense but based on what we know or more so what we don't know, I am absolutely not convinced that the immediate reaction of the responding officer was "possible suicide" is not important information that should be ignored.

 

[Rubiconbob]

I keep toggling back between this theory and that the reason she was taken was because there would be identifiable DNA on her (take that as you may) BUT the fact that LE doesn't seem to be investigating as if she could be somewhere closer to home from escaping does make my mind wander a little bit... all JMO

I thought same thing.... and think they did that first 2 days.. but no scent and no heat on radar. I thought maybe she bolted in no shoes ... which would kill but adrenaline might push u.. also think whatever he’s shooting with Woulda left blood or something...

 

[Curiousobserver]

No matter how much it is mentioned on however many threads- I will always look at the "possible suicide" as one of the most important aspects of this case. We know SO little. One thing we do know for a fact is a cop showed up to the Closs' house and the first thing he radios to dispatch is possible suicide. I would think for the safety of himself and other officers standard protocol/ a standard first reaction to seeing someone shot dead in the doorway of his house would actually be that he's been shot by someone (and that everyone needs to be on the lookout for this person- if the BG is still there or not). If they walked in and saw him hanging from a door frame then yes, possible suicide would make sense but based on what we know or more so what we don't know, I am absolutely not convinced that the immediate reaction of the responding officer was "possible suicide" is not important information that should be ignored.

Almost twice as many people who die from gunshots are suicides vs homicides and for middle aged white men its even higher

 

[lonetraveler]

See article below... it depends on weather and also local vultures or turkey vulture population... where I live... there are quite a few.. and can cause massive car wrecks cleaning hit animals.

Your correct 1 yr if left alone or too hot or too cold.. but if vultures are heavy in that area... could be 3/4 weeks... that sounds quick I know.. but Mother Nature is a unkind son of a gun ..


https://phys.org/news/2012-03-forensics-texas-focuses-vultures.html

I feel like if there was a cluster of circling vultures around Barron, people would immediately take notice and call LE.

 

[bizzle2]

No matter how much it is mentioned on however many threads- I will always look at the "possible suicide" as one of the most important aspects of this case. We know SO little. One thing we do know for a fact is a cop showed up to the Closs' house and the first thing he radios to dispatch is possible suicide. I would think for the safety of himself and other officers standard protocol/ a standard first reaction to seeing someone shot dead in the doorway of his house would actually be that he's been shot by someone (and that everyone needs to be on the lookout for this person- if the BG is still there or not). If they walked in and saw him hanging from a door frame then yes, possible suicide would make sense but based on what we know or more so what we don't know, I am absolutely not convinced that the immediate reaction of the responding officer was "possible suicide" is not important information that should be ignored.

They’re still going to proceed with caution even if their initial reaction is that it was suicide. Any time there is the potential that guns are involved the officers are going to have their weapons drawn until they have taken possession of the firearm or determined that there is no threat.

They were just relaying back to the dispatcher that it appeared to be a suicide. They’d likely encountered at least a few suicides during their time working in LE as those are much more common than homicides. And a lone body with a gunshot wound is usually going to be called in that way unless they have a specific reason to think otherwise.

 

[human]

I've wondered if the crime was planned to coincide with the sheriff's shift change. The arrival of the three officers in a relatively short time for me is odd. Sheriff's here are all over the county. Even the Township police here do not arrive that close together regardless of time of day. Maybe they were just hanging out at the station or involved with a prior incident?

What time would be a shift change? That is really true about them all being there at one time

 

[human]

There is a dairy farm there.

How about the other places? Wondering if it is active. Otherwise, no one is looking at every inch of land

 

[photographer4]

That is a standard first call entry done by the person receiving the 911 call. It does make me wonder if there was something that indicated shots had been fired.

ETA

If something to that effect was indicated it must have not made it to the call log. Surely dispatch would have advised officers heading to the scene if they heard gunfire? It would be a matter of personal safety for the officers...

 

[Qsuze]

I was just watching Dr. Oz. He had Marc Klaas on as a guest. I was wondering if the the Klaas Kids have been called in to help look for Jayme. They have a lot of resources.

 

[human]

The call log is based on the 911 call and prior to any officer arriving on scene. The determination of suicide, murder or anything else is done by the investigators and not the officers. My info was told to me by LE. Guess we need someone in LE to explain how the Call Log works. I sure didn't know until I talked to them.

Sharon Needles had a great , thorough explantion on another thread.

 

[Lillymac]

• "10/15/18 01:00:30 - dispatched units arrive on scene. [22]
• 10/15/18 01:03 - dispatch is advised of possible suicide attempt. Requested assistance, first responders. [22]
• 10/15/18 1:05:19 - dispatch is advised of one male down, multiple rounds spent. [22]
• 10/15/18 01:06:19 - dispatch is advised to request ERT; door has been kicked in, male who is down had answered the door. [22]"

This states that Dispatch was advised of possible suicide attempt 3 minutes after units arrives on the scene.

Post 796 thread #25 confirms what I was told by LE re dispatch type of call. I do see the first mention of possible suicide you are referring to. This maybe how they do it in Barron County. After speaking with an officer, this is not SOP in the city they worked in.
Another reason this case is so baffling, not the reasons, but the no obvious reason.

 

[Rubiconbob]

I feel like if there was a cluster of circling vultures around Barron, people would immediately take notice and call LE.

Wouldn’t be wrong to look ... usually small animals or deers..but with case your right... I would check...

 

[Abba's Tears]

Perhaps I can help shed a little light on the 911 hang-up / LE initial response / call type determination questions that are floating around. This is based on my own 30 years of experience in the 911 profession, however exact protocol will vary between agencies.
When a 911 hang-up call is received, regardless of if there is anything heard or not, an officer is dispatched to the location in question to see if there is a problem. The call for service is dispatched as a "911 Hang-Up". The majority of the time, it is a simple mis-dial or mistake. However there are other times when help is definitely needed, even when there is nothing heard on the original call. If sounds are heard, sometimes the dispatcher can provide more information to the responding officer(s) indicating the 911 hang-up may be a fight in progress, a medical call, or a domestic. But it is still entered into CAD (Computer Aided Dispatch) as a 911 Hang-Up until and/or unless the responding officer changes the call type upon arriving on scene and evaluating the situation. Hence the officer responding to the Closs residence initially changing the call from a 911-Hang-Up to a Possible Suicide. IMO, whatever that officer saw when he first approached the door of the Closs residence made him believe he had a possible suicide call. Knowing what we do now, this may have been a little premature. But that officer did not know then what we know now. Nor is it uncommon or wrong for call-types to evolve as more is known. There is no reason to overthink his initial evaluation, as he quickly realized this was not a suicide. Communications between dispatch and LE are fluid and things can often change quickly. It is also an entirely different perspective to be in the moment dealing with all that is going on than it is looking back on it knowing so much more and having the luxury of time. That is a critical point to keep in mind. The responding officer is also normally the LE official responsible for making the final determination on what type of call s/he has been dispatched to. I hope this has been helpful.

 

[photographer4]

Gonna toss this out: It was just about two weeks from Halloween. We've seen photos from family members of Jayme in costumes from past years.

I keep wondering if they found Jayme's costume she planned on wearing, or did it end up being used to disguise her after her abduction?

Family comments about having more questions than answers after visiting Closs home has me wondering what could they mean?

To clarify as I catch up - have family visited the home post crime? Was it before it was cleaned up or after?

 

[IceIce9]

They could be .. it would depend on if remains were buried... think it was warm off and on .. 40 days likely enough.. vultures arrive same day body is placed there just like hit animal.. only way they wouldn’t have quick dental records is vultures/ animals separate skull from body ... still don’t think it’s her or hoping .. close enough on map... you would think height and bone structure would immediately say yes or no...??? Wouldn’t you ??

No matter how much it is mentioned on however many threads- I will always look at the "possible suicide" as one of the most important aspects of this case. We know SO little. One thing we do know for a fact is a cop showed up to the Closs' house and the first thing he radios to dispatch is possible suicide. I would think for the safety of himself and other officers standard protocol/ a standard first reaction to seeing someone shot dead in the doorway of his house would actually be that he's been shot by someone (and that everyone needs to be on the lookout for this person- if the BG is still there or not). If they walked in and saw him hanging from a door frame then yes, possible suicide would make sense but based on what we know or more so what we don't know, I am absolutely not convinced that the immediate reaction of the responding officer was "possible suicide" is not important information that should be ignored.

Thinking about it in the context of the situation: probably many more suicides in that county than murders, so the chance of cause of death in a middle aged male with gunshot to the head being suicide are much greater than murder. Saying “possible suicide” doesn’t seem unusual or farfetched.

If the context was different, however, another statement might have been more likely. For example, in an inner city apartment building with a history of drug arrests and drug-related murders, the first responder on the scene might have said, “possible murder” when seeing a male on the floor with a gun shot wound to the head.

Speaking as an EMT, there are areas of the city where we (EMTs and Medics) do not get out of our vehicle until LE arrives. Other areas in the city we would get out and respond if we were first on the scene. So certain assumptions are made depending on the context of the situation.

 

[Rubiconbob]

Perhaps I can help shed a little light on the 911 hang-up / LE initial response / call type determination questions that are floating around. This is based on my own 30 years of experience in the 911 profession, however exact protocol will vary between agencies.
When a 911 hang-up call is received, regardless of if there is anything heard or not, an officer is dispatched to the location in question to see if there is a problem. The call for service is dispatched as a "911 Hang-Up". The majority of the time, it is a simple mis-dial or mistake. However there are other times when help is definitely needed, even when there is nothing heard on the original call. If sounds are heard, sometimes the dispatcher can provide more information to the responding officer(s) indicating the 911 hang-up may be a fight in progress, a medical call, or a domestic. But it is still entered into CAD (Computer Aided Dispatch) as a 911 Hang-Up until and/or unless the responding officer changes the call type upon arriving on scene and evaluating the situation. Hence the officer responding to the Closs residence initially changing the call from a 911-Hang-Up to a Possible Suicide. IMO, whatever that officer saw when he first approached the door of the Closs residence made him believe he had a possible suicide call. Knowing what we do now, this may have been a little premature. But that officer did not know then what we know now. Nor is it uncommon or wrong for call-types to evolve as more is known. There is no reason to overthink his initial evaluation, as he quickly realized this was not a suicide. Communications between dispatch and LE are fluid and things can often change quickly. It is also an entirely different perspective to be in the moment dealing with all that is going on than it is looking back on it knowing so much more and having the luxury of time. That is a critical point to keep in mind. The responding officer is also normally the LE official responsible for making the final determination on what type of call s/he has been dispatched to. I hope this has been helpful.

If you have 911 experience... can you answer a couple questions..

Does each department know how many rings on average it takes to reach dispatcher??

Can u look at Closs call and instantly see 3/4 rings ??

Can u instantly tell dropped call bad cell ??
Or intent to hang up ??

Lastly. It’s been stated that all cell calls add 3/4 minutes in response time .. due to address confirmation?? Is that accurate and do u always default to address tied to phone or ping location factored in ??


Sorry for all questions... simply don’t know a lot about ur field...

 

[Lillymac]

Perhaps I can help shed a little light on the 911 hang-up / LE initial response / call type determination questions that are floating around. This is based on my own 30 years of experience in the 911 profession, however exact protocol will vary between agencies.
When a 911 hang-up call is received, regardless of if there is anything heard or not, an officer is dispatched to the location in question to see if there is a problem. The call for service is dispatched as a "911 Hang-Up". The majority of the time, it is a simple mis-dial or mistake. However there are other times when help is definitely needed, even when there is nothing heard on the original call. If sounds are heard, sometimes the dispatcher can provide more information to the responding officer(s) indicating the 911 hang-up may be a fight in progress, a medical call, or a domestic. But it is still entered into CAD (Computer Aided Dispatch) as a 911 Hang-Up until and/or unless the responding officer changes the call type upon arriving on scene and evaluating the situation. Hence the officer responding to the Closs residence initially changing the call from a 911-Hang-Up to a Possible Suicide. IMO, whatever that officer saw when he first approached the door of the Closs residence made him believe he had a possible suicide call. Knowing what we do now, this may have been a little premature. But that officer did not know then what we know now. Nor is it uncommon or wrong for call-types to evolve as more is known. There is no reason to overthink his initial evaluation, as he quickly realized this was not a suicide. Communications between dispatch and LE are fluid and things can often change quickly. It is also an entirely different perspective to be in the moment dealing with all that is going on than it is looking back on it knowing so much more and having the luxury of time. That is a critical point to keep in mind. The responding officer is also normally the LE official responsible for making the final determination on what type of call s/he has been dispatched to. I hope this has been helpful.

Thanks great info. Were you a dispatcher in a large city, or county? Just wondering about SOP in different states, cities, etc.

 

[Lillymac]

How about the other places? Wondering if it is active. Otherwise, no one is looking at every inch of land

That's true. I think they searched the dairy and the neighbor's, but don't know where else. Was the 2000 man search there or adjoining land?