AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #26

[cryscrys]

In your experience do you guys think we will ever have a solution on this one? I am usually able to remain hopeful but for some reason I don't have a lot of hope with this one.

 

[Abba's Tears]

If you have 911 experience... can you answer a couple questions..

Does each department know how many rings on average it takes to reach dispatcher?? Depending on the capabilities of the CAD (Computer Aided Dispatch) system utilized, most dispatch centers can obtain this information.

Can u look at Closs call and instantly see 3/4 rings ?? Not when actively answering a 911 call. However if a call is reviewed, it is easy to see the number of rings prior to being answered.

Can u instantly tell dropped call bad cell ?? If the call connected with the 911 Center, yes. However there is no way (to my knowledge) of knowing why the call was disconnected.
Or intent to hang up ?? See above.

Lastly. It’s been stated that all cell calls add 3/4 minutes in response time .. due to address confirmation?? Is that accurate and do u always default to address tied to phone or ping location factored in ?? I have never heard of a cellular call adding 3-4 minutes to a response time, however that may be possible in a very remote area. Normally, location is almost instantaneous with both land-line and cellular phones. With the implementation of GPS in cell phones, location became much more accurate and a lot faster for 911. Usually by the time the 911 telecommunicator answers the 911 call, the location of the caller is displayed on the screen. There are of course exceptions to this, but they are not common.

Sorry for all questions... simply don’t know a lot about ur field...

Happy to help-

 

[chi123]

In your experience do you guys think we will ever have a solution on this one? I am usually able to remain hopeful but for some reason I don't have a lot of hope with this one.

Im trying to stay optimistic but honestly I don't think so. It doesn't sound like they have much of anything as far as evidence goes. Really disheartening.

 

[Abba's Tears]

Thanks great info. Were you a dispatcher in a large city, or county? Just wondering about SOP in different states, cities, etc.

A county with about 100,000 population. 15 years behind the console, 15 years management.

 

[lonetraveler]

Where I’m from, not many 13-year-olds still go trick or treating.

They certainly go Trick or Treating in my area as well as all teenagers.

 

[sumzero]

They certainly go Trick or Treating in my area as well as all teenagers.

Used to be more teenagers. Now, with earlier (daylight) trick or treat hours, we see few teenagers. I don’t think we even saw one this year.

 

[cluciano63]

Those who can not get past the initial incorrect impression of “possible suicide” upon arrival by LE...what do you think is being hidden or otherwise concealed by LE?? I do not understand.

 

[cryscrys]

Those who can not get past the initial incorrect impression of “possible suicide” upon arrival by LE...what do you think is being hidden or otherwise concealed by LE?? I do not understand.

If I am correct the importance of this rests on what could have been said in the 911 call to lead to a conclusion of suicide. Did the officer assume suicide or did the original dispatcher allude to suicide based on what was heard in the call.

 

[photographer4]

If I am correct the importance of this rests on what could have been said in the 911 call to lead to a conclusion of suicide. Did the officer assume suicide or did the original dispatcher allude to suicide based on what was heard in the call.

The log says dispatch heard a lot of yelling. Wonder what kinda yelling it was? Pain? Pleading? Arguing? I wonder who was yelling?

 

[jayaxx]

In your experience do you guys think we will ever have a solution on this one? I am usually able to remain hopeful but for some reason I don't have a lot of hope with this one.

The fact that they have found NOTHING new of late, yet are refusing to do things like release the call to try to generate more leads and/or interest feels like a frustrating stalemate for me. I am worried at this point. LE seems to be in a very reactive mode at present, which is disheartening.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

To the extent that it does not hamper an eventual prosecution IMO

Iyo

 

[Hatfield]

No matter how much it is mentioned on however many threads- I will always look at the "possible suicide" as one of the most important aspects of this case. We know SO little. One thing we do know for a fact is a cop showed up to the Closs' house and the first thing he radios to dispatch is possible suicide. I would think for the safety of himself and other officers standard protocol/ a standard first reaction to seeing someone shot dead in the doorway of his house would actually be that he's been shot by someone (and that everyone needs to be on the lookout for this person- if the BG is still there or not). If they walked in and saw him hanging from a door frame then yes, possible suicide would make sense but based on what we know or more so what we don't know, I am absolutely not convinced that the immediate reaction of the responding officer was "possible suicide" is not important information that should be ignored.

I agree with most of what you said but it did make me think of something that could have made LE think it was suicide.

What if after the husband got shot the wife came rushing over to help him and was right near him not realizing what had happened. Then the perps shoot her too and her body falls very close to the husbands body.

LE seeing 2 bodies very close together and with gunshot wounds may have made one assume a murder/suicide.

Do we know the location of the wife's body if it was nearby his?

 

[bellyup]

No matter how much it is mentioned on however many threads- I will always look at the "possible suicide" as one of the most important aspects of this case. We know SO little. One thing we do know for a fact is a cop showed up to the Closs' house and the first thing he radios to dispatch is possible suicide. I would think for the safety of himself and other officers standard protocol/ a standard first reaction to seeing someone shot dead in the doorway of his house would actually be that he's been shot by someone (and that everyone needs to be on the lookout for this person- if the BG is still there or not). If they walked in and saw him hanging from a door frame then yes, possible suicide would make sense but based on what we know or more so what we don't know, I am absolutely not convinced that the immediate reaction of the responding officer was "possible suicide" is not important information that should be ignored.

121 Suicides in the US every day = 93 of them are men
Of those
70% are Middle Aged White Men between 45-65

It is a reasonable first response. It doesn't mean that he wasn't still on alert (likely with his own weapon drawn) or concerned for his own safety or that or other officers. It was an initial assessment after being on the scene for less than three minutes. Actually, if I walked in and saw a man hanging I might question what was happening more since over 60% of suicides committed by men use a firearm.

 

[photographer4]

I agree with most of what you said but it did make me think of something that could have made LE think it was suicide.

What if after the husband got shot the wife came rushing over to help him and was right near him not realizing what had happened. Then the perps shoot her too and her body falls very close to the husbands body.

LE seeing 2 bodies very close together and with gunshot wounds may have made one assume a murder/suicide.

Do we know the location of the wife's body if it was nearby his?

We know it was about five mins before the log indicates police notified dispatch that denise was down. We don’t know why it took so long or where she was in the home. We know the cell that called 911 was found on the floor closer to denise’s Body than Jim’s.

 

[Ragnarok]

What time would be a shift change? That is really true about them all being there at one time

I found early on that there is an 8 AM to 4 PM shift. Don't know if that is for all personnel or just support. If all then maybe a following 4 to 12 followed by a 12 to 8 shifts. If not 8 hour shifts then I have no idea.

 

[kay74]

The fact that they have found NOTHING new of late, yet are refusing to do things like release the call to try to generate more leads and/or interest feels like a frustrating stalemate for me. I am worried at this point. LE seems to be in a very reactive mode at present, which is disheartening.

I agree. So is the FBI gone?! LE needs to do Something! Not releasing this darn call is doing nothing IMO

 

[tiffkinsadder]

I agree. So is the FBI gone?! LE needs to do Something! Not releasing this darn call is doing nothing IMO

I would like to see video of the vechiles.

 

[sbsuzilight]

Investigators release new plea for help in Short Family Murder investigation

Crime took place on August 15, 2002, Mary and Michael Short were found dead in their Basset home. Michael was found on a couch in the attached garage, shot in the head. Mary was found in the bedroom, also shot in the head. Their 9-year-old daughter Jennifer Short was missing so a massive countywide search began.

Crime Scene: Henry County, Virginia (Parents shot and killed August 15, 2002) and Stoneville, North Carolina (daughter's body found September 25, 2002 in Stoneville, North Carolina)

Henry County, Virginia to Stoneville, NC-->23 min (16.6 mi) via Horsepasture Price Rd

I just read article about the Short family. Does anyone know if there is a forum on WS about them? I tried to search, but maybe I am not doing it right.

The similarities to the Closs family are eerie.

 

[sbsuzilight]

I agree. So is the FBI gone?! LE needs to do Something! Not releasing this darn call is doing nothing IMO

The last time I heard the sheriff talk about the case was the long interview on a podcast. I have been following this pretty closely, but I have not seen any further information. Has he updated the public on the status of the investigation recently?

 

[Mica]

I just read article about the Short family. Does anyone know if there is a forum on WS about them? I tried to search, but maybe I am not doing it right.

The similarities to the Closs family are eerie.

VA - VA - Michael, 50, Mary, 36, & Jennifer Short, 9, Bassett, 15 Aug 2002