AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #26

[bizzle2]

Someone posted about needing to search the water before if froze over. Has it frozen up there?

Depends on the size of the lake/pond. This is right around the time lakes start to freeze over. The lake that my cabin is on is not frozen over yet, and that is farther north than Barron. Even if some are frozen over right now I wouldn't walk on them yet.

 

[Andreee]

I’m surprised this hasn’t been done already, considering this is day 4 since the discovery. Even a statement saying that it’s not Jayme Closs at this point, assuming they know that, and I can’t see why they wouldn’t. I know I’ve seen that in other high profile cases, where they’ve found a body, but not “the” body of the high profiled case.

Of course, I do think every case of a missing child should be 'high profile', which in reality is not the case!

 

[Reverie]

Here in the BWCA, lakes iced over just before Thanksgiving. I hope that central Wisconsin, being further south, might be a bit later. However, I really hope and pray that Jayme isn’t found in that way.

 

[mtnlites]

I’m guessing there’s no reason to say it’s not this body, or any of the thousands of other missing people. Us websluethers are quick to associate any news to whatever case we’re looking at.

Yes, we tend to be hypersensitive to whatever case we are currently looking at. That's one of the reasons why I try to take a few steps back every time a new "connection" comes forward and bears scrutinizing. The fact is, there are MANY unsolved crimes around the country, many missing people (even 13-year-old girls), unsolved murders, etc. Some may be connected but the majority are not.

 

[gngr~snap]

Yes, the remains were discovered around 3:43 p.m. on Friday (11/23). Hunter finds skeletal remains in Monroe Co.

Not sure about the "other state and local law enforcement" - could it mean other Wisconsin Law Enforcement, like the Wisconsin DCI?

Very well could be. I won't go into details why.
Moo
I don't think this is Jayme.

 

[lukass_6]

On the previous thread, I read, "I just think that if the priority if finding Jayme, you release the tape. If it's getting a conviction, you don't. To me, it speaks volumes where their priorities seem to be." I'm just curious how it would negate a conviction? Do you mean the perp could 'vanish even more'? Or is there some legal technicality that would hinder getting a conviction? Just curious! Thank you!

 

[mtnlites]

I'm not real sure why or how releasing the 911 call would help the public. Presumably LE (including the FBI) has heard it and analyzed it and they're the ones who are connecting the dots. I'll admit, I'm curious. I want to hear it the same way I want to see pretty much all the video/audio footage and evidence from the cases I follow. If the recording simply has a bunch of muffled noises punctuated by screams then how, exactly, does that translate to a tip provided by the public? Look at the unsolved cases in which actual video footage has been released.

 

[Curiousobserver]

On the previous thread, I read, "I just think that if the priority if finding Jayme, you release the tape. If it's getting a conviction, you don't. To me, it speaks volumes where their priorities seem to be." I'm just curious how it would negate a conviction? Do you mean the perp could 'vanish even more'? Or is there some legal technicality that would hinder getting a conviction? Just curious! Thank you!

They couldn't use information on the tape to indicate the suspect had intimate knowledge that wasn't public- but a good defense attorney would argue that was a lucky guess anyway if there were no further evidence. its pointless to hold that tape private.

 

[jayaxx]

On the previous thread, I read, "I just think that if the priority if finding Jayme, you release the tape. If it's getting a conviction, you don't. To me, it speaks volumes where their priorities seem to be." I'm just curious how it would negate a conviction? Do you mean the perp could 'vanish even more'? Or is there some legal technicality that would hinder getting a conviction? Just curious! Thank you!

That was my post. And Observer sort of got where I was going.

LE always does this. Where I believe they should be doing every possible thing to "solve the case" and then worry about convictions later, they don't. It's insane to me that the tape is not public yet. This case is getting colder and colder and is falling out of mainstream media.

 

[Hatfield]

My fear is that she was injured, maybe by a bullet, ran away from the perps and eventually died from her injury. What's the terrain like again? Is there a ravine into which she could have fallen? With the leaves falling, she could be hidden pretty well. We know they've searched but I've seen A LOT of people found within the search radius many months after they went missing....maybe she was never taken to begin with. Dumb idea I know, but different . Impossible?

Not dumb at all. I havent even really thought of that possibility but if the terrain around their house is wooded enough or if there were barns or other places to hide this is a possibility. One of the first things some people will do if an intruder is entering a home is to RUN away from them. Whether that is hiding in a room or escaping the house entirely. Like what if the Mom was able to yell to her child to run out the back door.

A person in a panic and running away to hide could easily have fallen and badly injured themselves and then sucumbed to exposure if they could not eventually crawl back for help. Or hit their head on a rock and died right away.

I do think its worth a thorough search of the areas around the home which has likely been done but to what extent I have no idea.

 

[photographer4]

Correct me if I am wrong, but would remains be “skeletal” after the short (relatively speaking) amount of time Jayme has been missing?

Given the short period of time between when she missing (even though it surely feels an eternity to friends and family!)... and the cold weather, I would doubt they would be skeletal already.

 

[photographer4]

That was my post. And Observer sort of got where I was going.

LE always does this. Where I believe they should be doing every possible thing to "solve the case" and then worry about convictions later, they don't. It's insane to me that the tape is not public yet. This case is getting colder and colder and is falling out of mainstream media.

I think if there was something on the call that could help bring in a tip to solve it, they'd release it.

 

[photographer4]

My fear is that she was injured, maybe by a bullet, ran away from the perps and eventually died from her injury. What's the terrain like again? Is there a ravine into which she could have fallen? With the leaves falling, she could be hidden pretty well. We know they've searched but I've seen A LOT of people found within the search radius many months after they went missing....maybe she was never taken to begin with. Dumb idea I know, but different . Impossible?

Except that recently we were told by LE that there was no evidence that Jayme was injured at the scene, so unless she was shot outside somewhere, and police don't know it yet..... this seems unlikely. I don't have a link handy, but I'm sure the info is out there with a google search.

 

[JudgeJoe]

My fear is that she was injured, maybe by a bullet, ran away from the perps and eventually died from her injury. What's the terrain like again? Is there a ravine into which she could have fallen? With the leaves falling, she could be hidden pretty well. We know they've searched but I've seen A LOT of people found within the search radius many months after they went missing....maybe she was never taken to begin with. Dumb idea I know, but different . Impossible?

Not dumb and not impossible. If Jayme ran, injured or not, she could have covered herself with leaves to hide. I think most kids who’ve grown up in any area with a leaf-raking season have raked/ played/ hid in leaves before. My only snag with this theory is that the search dogs would have tracked this, I’m thinking.

 

[mtnlites]

I think if there was something on the call that could help bring in a tip to solve it, they'd release it.

I agree. This happens in almost every case I've followed-a demand to release more info in terms of video/audio. At this point, though, I pretty much trust that if there's something on there that's helpful, they'll release it.

 

[JudgeJoe]

On the previous thread, I read, "I just think that if the priority if finding Jayme, you release the tape. If it's getting a conviction, you don't. To me, it speaks volumes where their priorities seem to be." I'm just curious how it would negate a conviction? Do you mean the perp could 'vanish even more'? Or is there some legal technicality that would hinder getting a conviction? Just curious! Thank you!

Perhaps the tape reveals something only the killer would know. This could help verify any confession necessary for conviction when physical evidence is lacking. I trust LE- and the swarm of them on this case- to differentiate when to release & when not.

 

[MingyMoo]

My fear is that she was injured, maybe by a bullet, ran away from the perps and eventually died from her injury. What's the terrain like again? Is there a ravine into which she could have fallen? With the leaves falling, she could be hidden pretty well. We know they've searched but I've seen A LOT of people found within the search radius many months after they went missing....maybe she was never taken to begin with. Dumb idea I know, but different . Impossible?

Not dumb and not impossible. If Jayme ran, injured or not, she could have covered herself with leaves to hide. I think most kids who’ve grown up in any area with a leaf-raking season have raked/ played/ hid in leaves before. My only snag with this theory is that the search dogs would have tracked this, I’m thinking.

However it doesn't answer why the culprits took Jayme. The only thing I hope is that if Jayme had the opportunity to flee in order to hide that the searches have been done properly and thoroughly and that she hasn't been missed, which can happen. You only have to look at a recent case on WS Ashley Meiss found so close to home. My sincere hopes are that Jayme is reunited with her family.

Edited to add names to quotes

 

[jayaxx]

I think if there was something on the call that could help bring in a tip to solve it, they'd release it.

I agree. This happens in almost every case I've followed-a demand to release more info in terms of video/audio. At this point, though, I pretty much trust that if there's something on there that's helpful, they'll release it.

Releasing the audio wont make her MORE lost. She is still going to be missing. Or it will help her be found. Or if there is one part of it that is sensitive they can cut out part. I'm very suspicious that there is something on that tape that leads them to believe something about her fate that they are not telling us.

 

[doktor57]

I find the similarities between the Closs case and the Short family murders chilling. Is it possibly the same person after all these years?

 

[Curiousobserver]

Given the short period of time between when she missing (even though it surely feels an eternity to friends and family!)... and the cold weather, I would doubt they would be skeletal already.

Depends on animal activity- I live in a rural area and see deer hit on the side of the road all the time. Many times it takes only a week or so for most or all of the flesh to be gone (if the area is less traffic and animals can get to it at night). Other areas it takes a lot longer.