AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #29

[JRW]

What a sweet pic of Jayme and her pup. The window on the door is pretty big. I wonder if the perp just shot right through the window as James approached the door.

When they carried the door out I dont think the glass was shattered

 

[Bernard_Shakey]

I personally can't imagine wanting to view the remains after a death that all reports indicate was horrific. But, really isn't my business. jmo

My father died in a car accident and we were given the opportunity to see his body on the same day as the crash and the day after. I did see him both times because I thought I should. His head was very badly injured which was obvious despite the bandaging the hospital had applied. I wish I hadn’t seen him and that the hospital had told me I couldn’t.

 

[Ragnarok]

Many of the classes here are offered online. They are often for extra credit. Teachers also have additional learning resources for students that are offered online. This has been pretty common for many years.
One of my grandchildren who is a senior will graduate with three college class credits he took online while still in high school. It isn't bizarre at all. In fact I find it bizare that it isn't the same in your country.
I can't quote figures, but no students are deprived or discriminated against because the school is in a lessor economic bracket. These devices are provided to the schools at a very reduced rate. Think of them as an electronic textbook only offering so much more to the student.

My neighbors daughter who was in advanced placement classes in HS spent her senior year at the local community college. That time allowed her to skip the majority of the required Freshman college classes at the NY College she attended allowing her to get her BS in three years.

A niece in NJ was required to have a laptop to access course material out of school. Within guidelines all Districts I know of are different in their requirements.

My teacher sister struggled when she had to learn how to use a PC for the grade school she taught at in NJ. She is not a technical individual.

 

[Lillymac]

In MN where I lived, there was a discussion of online instruction but the problem is in rural MN there is not reliable interent service.

I cannot even imagine the incredible issues with handing out computers. Who is responsible if they get damaged?

Did Jayme’s school hand out computers?

I read a post here on the forum that said they did. I even asked if they were able to take them home, but didn't get a reply.
In rural areas internet can be an issue. I think damage is according to school, so I don't know.

 

[Lillymac]

My neighbors daughter who was in advanced placement classes in HS spent her senior year at the local community college. That time allowed her to skip the majority of the required Freshman college classes at the NY College she attended allowing her to get her BS in three years.

A niece in NJ was required to have a laptop to access course material out of school. Within guidelines all Districts I know of are different in their requirements.

My teacher sister struggled when she had to learn how to use a PC for the grade school she taught at in NJ. She is not a technical individual.

It's a whole new world out there. Quite a learning experience.

 

[SeattleStew]

Don't know if I can say name but are they referring to SO Matthew A Norton? He is the one that committed 2nd degree assault on a child in Barron in 2004 and was non compliant with registration. He is in CO jail now.

He's been there a month now. Anyone know why he hasn't been extradited yet? I'm hinky on this. I noticed his address was on the Turtle Lake Casino direction of Hwy 8, as opposed to the Barron Police/Sheriff direction from the Closs house.

 

[Moonsie]

The front porch is very small. I'm trying to think what it would be like for someone to open the storm door, lean back and kick the door open, take shots at someone, drag someone out of the house. I know its possible, but the porch doesnt leave much room to move around. Also there is a porch light directly in front of the door. I'm curious if the porch light works or was burned out. Not much room to conceal who is at the door

Trying to think about this differently based on this post. What if the shooter wasn’t at the front door when the shots were made?

What if everyone is in bed, perp creates diversion/kicks in front door but then goes around to sliding door on deck and lays in wait? I think based on floor plan that would give the perp a birds eye view of parents coming out of bedroom, going to front door etc. There was also a lot of activity on that deck during initial investigation.

The 911 log says ‘multiple rounds spent’ but it doesn’t say that evidence was all at the front door, correct?

For example: *DIVERSION/DOOR KICKED IN* James goes to front door to investigate, totally unarmed, looks outside, sees nothing, perp steps in through sliding door and shoots James from behind.

Denise hearing shots calls 911. Jayme starts yelling from her bedroom something like MOMMY? DADDY! ARE YOU OK?!? WHAT WAS THAT? Etc. Denise exits bedroom into hallway to go to Jayme’s room, perp now has gun aimed at Denise, says something like hang up and toss the phone. She does, perp shoots her.

Perp walks five feet to Jayme’s bedroom, points gun at a stunned Jayme, says your parents are dead. Get up, you’re going with me.

If shots came from just inside glass door (which I think is side of house towards Smrekars), might also explain difference in ‘sound’ of shots. Maybe perp takes a step to left to shoot James so sound is a bit muffled. Steps to right to kill Denise.

moo. man I hate this!

 

[Moonsie]

I am also respectfully repeating my question for the forum member (can’t remember which one it was) that formerly worked at Jennie-O (post got a little buried on the last thread) -

What sort of protective clothing do employees at Jennie-o wear? Is it disposable? What happens to it at the end of a shift?

tia. moo.

 

[Jax49]

Do you know the address or what street the police department is on? I was trying to find it on a map.

The Barron Police Dept. is 2.3 miles from the Closs home.

Google Maps

Sheriff's office is shown at 3 miles.

Google Maps

 

[ACG2x]

Trying to think about this differently based on this post. What if the shooter wasn’t at the front door when the shots were made?

What if everyone is in bed, perp creates diversion/kicks in front door but then goes around to sliding door on deck and lays in wait? I think based on floor plan that would give the perp a birds eye view of parents coming out of bedroom, going to front door etc. There was also a lot of activity on that deck during initial investigation.

The 911 log says ‘multiple rounds spent’ but it doesn’t say that evidence was all at the front door, correct?

For example: *DIVERSION/DOOR KICKED IN* James goes to front door to investigate, totally unarmed, looks outside, sees nothing, perp steps in through sliding door and shoots James from behind.

Denise hearing shots calls 911. Jayme starts yelling from her bedroom something like MOMMY? DADDY! ARE YOU OK?!? WHAT WAS THAT? Etc. Denise exits bedroom into hallway to go to Jayme’s room, perp now has gun aimed at Denise, says something like hang up and toss the phone. She does, perp shoots her.

Perp walks five feet to Jayme’s bedroom, points gun at a stunned Jayme, says your parents are dead. Get up, you’re going with me.

If shots came from just inside glass door (which I think is side of house towards Smrekars), might also explain difference in ‘sound’ of shots. Maybe perp takes a step to left to shoot James so sound is a bit muffled. Steps to right to kill Denise.

moo. man I hate this!

This is similar to what I had thought happened. If what Sheriff Fitzgerald said in his last interviews that the perp was in the house for a very short period of time and left no DNA or forensic evidence, then this is probably pretty close and plays into one of my two theories that has prevailed all along that Jayme was the primary target of this crime.

The perp wanted her alive so the plan was to eliminate mom & dad as quickly as possible to get her out. There is also the element of shock as well that a petite 13 year old has just watched her parents be brutally murdered and likely has a gun pointed at her. The shock likely was so severe that she wouldn't have had time to think about fight or flight, she was in zero position to do anything but just comply. The poor girl had absolutely no chance nor did her parents.

 

[girlhasnoname]

The front porch is very small. I'm trying to think what it would be like for someone to open the storm door, lean back and kick the door open, take shots at someone, drag someone out of the house. I know its possible, but the porch doesnt leave much room to move around. Also there is a porch light directly in front of the door. I'm curious if the porch light works or was burned out. Not much room to conceal who is at the door

BBM
ITA that is a small contained area and dealing with the storm door and front door IDK. We batted this around many threads ago and someone suggested that maybe the perp(s) used the metal holder/stopper thingy. Seems odd for sure, this is where I wondered if it was more than 1 person.

The porch light was on in the first crime scene photos that surfaced, don't know for certain when or by whom it was turned on (James or LE) but it was operational.

 

[Songbird1973]

So sorry about your brother.
Yet they did allow immediate family to view. If Denise's dad wasn't allowed to view, might be more to it.
My stepson was killed in an accident and had head damage. He also had some tissue harvesting for donations. Yet when we pressed the funeral director, the family was allowed to see his body before he had fixed the cosmetics, with a sheet over the worst of it. I'm glad he did. At the actual viewing he had so much makeup and a wig, he didn't look like him at all.

The original statement I replied to was a thought that the weapon had to be a shotgun to cause enough damage to prevent public viewing. So I offered some other reasons to prevent a public viewing. I see there have been posts explaining ways that guns other than shotguns can completely destroy their target, so I won't go there.

As to the immediate family not being allowed to view, these thoughts come to mind.

I think LE saying no is very possible/likely. LE's statements prove that the weapon used and location of wounds are topics they don't want released.

But... If it wasn't LE...

It is possible that DC's father was overwhelmed, didn't realize how important that last view would feel later, and didn't think to argue if the mortician said viewing wasn't a good idea.

Or, the mortician may have insisted, and being from a rural area where people aren't so used to having choices and options, they didn't continue to ask. When my first brother drowned (10 years to the day before the funeral of my second brother), this same mortician (the only one for 30+ miles) totally called the shots. We were happy with how it went; the subject of options prior to the actual service in our church just didn't come up. He was much more flexible 10 yrs later, but still insisted from the beginning there would be no viewing because of the unfixable eye injury. But my mom was unmovable that she WOULD see her firstborn one more time, just as she had successfully demanded to be allowed to see her parents, even though their bodies hadn't been prepared due to their cremation request. So she won the fight for us to see our brother, mostly because the mortician was able to fix the damage better than he expected. But I am reminded by the quoted post that crushed lungs prevented bodily fluids from being completely drained and embalming fluid injected, so we only saw him once the first day.

I'm not bashing this mortician. He was our friend, and advocated mightily for other needs of ours.

 

[Oakland CA]

He's been there a month now. Anyone know why he hasn't been extradited yet? I'm hinky on this. I noticed his address was on the Turtle Lake Casino direction of Hwy 8, as opposed to the Barron Police/Sheriff direction from the Closs house.

I thought I read somewhere he was a fugitive from justice but don't recall if it was stated he's still at large.

 

[Moonsie]

BBM
ITA that is a small contained area and dealing with the storm door and front door IDK. We batted this around many threads ago and someone suggested that maybe the perp(s) used the metal holder/stopper thingy. Seems odd for sure, this is where I wondered if it was more than 1 person.

The porch light was on in the first crime scene photos that surfaced, don't know for certain when or by whom it was turned on (James or LE) but it was operational.

I hadn’t really played out the scenario too much in my head before today, but the more that I think about it, I think it is really difficult to picture the crime happening at the front door for a variety of reasons.

- visible (or at least partially visible) from road, esp if James turned on outside light
- size of front porch
- storm door staying open “issue”
- didn’t really look from pictures like much was disturbed like it would if shot came in from front
- James’ body was visible through open door

idk. moo.

OT, but I stumbled upon WS a few months ago for the Eden Hines case because I am in the area (she was found safe) but then got looped into this one. I think about it a lot. I’ve been here since thread numero uno and I really want it solved. I’m not going to quit thinking about it until it is. I have family in northern WI. I know this area. This is tough. Prayers to Fitz and the community. Keep the faith.

 

[Songbird1973]

"I would bet the funeral director didn't see them either."

Funeral directors/ morticians would operate under the same rules of privacy as LE and Medical/ emergency workers, so they would not be prevented from seeing a body involved in a crime. The mortician would been called from the very beginning to transport the bodies from the crime scene, then the autopsy location, crematory if necessary, funeral home, church, and cemetery.

I speak from experience, but this is a link specific to Wisconsin.

Barron County, Wisconsin - www.barroncountywi.gov{FB7DC184-745A-4EA4-8333-3AD6906B7C09}[/QUOTE]

 

[MommaK43]

Many of the classes here are offered online. They are often for extra credit. Teachers also have additional learning resources for students that are offered online. This has been pretty common for many years.
One of my grandchildren who is a senior will graduate with three college class credits he took online while still in high school. It isn't bizarre at all. In fact I find it bizare that it isn't the same in your country.
I can't quote figures, but no students are deprived or discriminated against because the school is in a lessor economic bracket. These devices are provided to the schools at a very reduced rate. Think of them as an electronic textbook only offering so much more to the student.

My daughter has 3 college classes under her belt and still a yr and a half to go. They can use chrome books at school but not to take home. Every state has different funding...well how they use it anyway. Our district seems to be more inclined to provide a 2 million dollar football field vs helping with band (instruments or props for marching season) or any other activity which makes me furious!

 

[Lillymac]

BBM
ITA that is a small contained area and dealing with the storm door and front door IDK. We batted this around many threads ago and someone suggested that maybe the perp(s) used the metal holder/stopper thingy. Seems odd for sure, this is where I wondered if it was more than 1 person.

The porch light was on in the first crime scene photos that surfaced, don't know for certain when or by whom it was turned on (James or LE) but it was operational.

I live in a wooded area, albeit not on a highway, but I leave my porch light on at night. Some around me do and some don't. This had been mentioned several times concerning the Closs light. I'm wondering why. Do you feel it's a deterrent or no? Maybe I should turn mine off?tia

 

[human]

I live in a wooded area, albeit not on a highway, but I leave my porch light on at night. Some around me do and some don't. This had been mentioned several times concerning the Closs light. I'm wondering why. Do you feel it's a deterrent or no? Maybe I should turn mine off?tia

How about a motion detector light? We had one on our porch and the garage. You set it as sensitive as you wish.

A doorbell camera sounds like a good idea as it is not expensive.

 

[Lillymac]

How about a motion detector light? We had one on our porch and the garage. You set it as sensitive as you wish.

A doorbell camera sounds like a good idea as it is not expensive.

Great ideas. I've thought about the doorbell camera, but I don't have a doorbell. Lol! But, I do have some big outside dogs.

 

[MommaK43]

I live in a wooded area, albeit not on a highway, but I leave my porch light on at night. Some around me do and some don't. This had been mentioned several times concerning the Closs light. I'm wondering why. Do you feel it's a deterrent or no? Maybe I should turn mine off?tia

I don’t leave my light on for a couple reasons...one, I actually don’t have one and don’t want one. Two, if someone comes banging on my door or making a commotion in the middle of the night(it has happened) I don’t want light from the light shining in to see that I’m coming to the door. I personally like the cover of darkness, but that’s just me. Also just me personally, plus my child is older...I have a pistol and shotgun within the reach of where I sleep. I’ve had someone try to break in, scary situation to say the least!