AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #31

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with the kicking in you have a sudden burst of pressure so maybe that could over come the pressure of holding it shut from inside?

I guess so. It just seems like with the small step they were standing on they would have to maneuver a bit and be pretty agile/strong/enraged to overcome Jim IF he was holding the door, I guess we do not know that he was for a fact...
 
a lot here seem to think the father was in great fit shape. I don't see it. I see a over weight middle age man. not intending that as a negative toward him. a persons body changes with age. weight is all I can see the father having in his favor though for holding a door closed.

edit to add. even a strong strap or chain can withstand much more at a steady tension or pressure than it can a sudden burst.
 
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I’m sticking to A Crime Of Rage
with (Two different reasons for RAGE)

Rage from (The last day for some kind of Payment Due
(per the Casino visit by LE after the crime)

Or

Something Jayme may have confided to someone at the Birthday Party which created Rage (per the mattress being removed from the home after the crime)

A fast 5 minutes hit and grab. (Too Fast for DNA)

Knock on door, Kick door in when Dad starts to close door,
Kill Dad,

Kill Mom while she’s running away and calling 911,

Grab Jayme standing where she ran into the room to see what is happening.

In and Out in 5 minutes
 
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I too truly can come up with no way they can know this for sure about the five feet. I sit here and look at my 12 inch floor tiles and count 5 of them for 5 feet fro my door and picture it. He is barely inside the door. I am trying to picture this with shooting Jim and I would think he would then be next to his body in which case would you not have possibly stepped in some blood, etc. Footprints may not be DNA I understand but that seems a bit messy with a chance of some type of transfer. Then you shoot Denise from five feet in and she has no chance to run around a corner? And then you tell Jayme to come to you (perhaps pointing gun at her) and she just happens also to be standing in sight also just docilely waiting and comes to you? I don't know... Perp could not have asked for things to go any smoother aside from the 911 call.

In think the 5 feet thing is just more semantics possibly or maybe an omission of there was a second perp at the back, etc.

I know the kicking in of the door has been discussed ad nauseum but just a question. If Jim was trying to hold it shut versus someone trying to kick it in and push it in, wouldn't he have the advantage? Or no? Meaning would it have to take some possibly younger and stronger than he? Thoughts? Or is kicking it in far easier than trying to hold it shut?

ETA: Forgive the typos, the coffee has not kicked in yet :)


I think James is holding his own.. frustrating perp and quickly takes headshot through the door and is flopped back like a toddler from the gun ... blood and body matter are heavy 5 ft in ...

Denise could also give u 5 ft.. her height... stringing bullets through her...maybe they figured by spray pattern had to be 5 ft away...

Gotta be couple factors like that... though it’s odd as hell ... ur careful enough to only go 5 ft but pick a gun loud as a tank ??!
 
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I think that whole 5 feet into the house comment from the sheriff is garbage. Either they have absolutely nothing and they are making the assumption because they cannot come up with a real timeline of how long the perp was there. OR they have DNA but no idea who it belongs to from other areas of the home and it is their only evidence to convict, and they don't want the perp to think that. To me they are playing the "we got nothing" card to convince the perp they may just get away with it in hopes they slip up or someone talks.

Unless she went willingly, I don't believe they would have her if they only went 5 feet into the house. She would have ran away in the other direction out the back.

A maniac has just gunned down your parents. The people meant to protect you at all costs and has the murder weapon aimed at your head. He tells
You to come to him. What do you do? Do you run or go to him?
 
A maniac has just gunned down your parents. The people meant to protect you at all costs and has the murder weapon aimed at your head. He tells
You to come to him. What do you do? Do you run or go to him?
Unless they have been trained to run(!), IMO 99.9% would freeze and follow instructions.
 
Apologies if this has already been posted, but worth pondering again.
A disturbing article with quotes from the Sheriff about the meth problem in Barron county. This article talks about all the associated crimes, and the overall implication to the public at large. Very disturbing indeed.
Meth monster returns to Chippewa Valley and is extending its reach
 
Even though this article is from 2002 (and it references Elizabeth Smart as still missing), it is a very worthy read addressing the "why" of child abductions:

"Who Would Abduct a Child? Previous Cases Offer Clues"
Who Would Abduct a Child? Previous Cases Offer Clues
 

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Most people set their bedroom clocks ahead not behind. If set ahead as most do, (to be early rather than late) then it would be -7. We may never know but it is pretty hard to believe the neighbors don't know if they have checked the clock even once since, whether it is ahead or behind :) It makes far more sense to me that it was set ahead. Which leaves the same old issues with these gunshots and when they were heard, if they were heard and how it fits in.

I too think the clock was ahead. Early on in the interview, the missus referred to the time as 12:30. Later in the interview, she says that she looked at the clock and it said 12:38. Then she went on to say that the clock is off by seven minutes "per the sheriff", with a chuckle. It doesn't appear that they intentionally set the clock ahead, it just differed from LE's time.
 
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Why are y'all discussing posts that were removed?

This thread is closed for cleanup.

I'm still fairly new here, how does one know if their own or others' posts have been removed? I assume if I've violated TOS and had my post removed, I would receive an alert? But if someone else's has been removed, how do we know to stop talking about it?

Thank you, I did look around in the admin threads but am not sure how it all works.
 
I'm still fairly new here, how does one know if their own or others' posts have been removed? I assume if I've violated TOS and had my post removed, I would receive an alert? But if someone else's has been removed, how do we know to stop talking about it?

Thank you, I did look around in the admin threads but am not sure how it all works.
Post deletions are in your alerts, modsnips are not. sillybilly added a post right after the one you quoted explaining the infraction. Now leave your binky here and go to your room until we tell you to come out!
 
Wondering if perp (s) have their own surveillance system and are watching the Closs house..also it would be odd to have the dog leash outside if Molly needed to be "on" the leash to go potty...is it possible that Jayme was outside near back patio and was grabbed when the events started happening..if the perp does have surveillance...possible to know the routine at the Closs house..
 
This case seems as cold as January. And it's January.

Maybe the Eau Claire thing will break something tomorrow. Maybe it is/was her. Doubtful but one can hope. The rest of Friday night's info was clearly bogus but that still had some merit, there was a rape patient. It is on Mondays they often have to release info, that is what happened with the PT, otherwise it will show up in the public court records for media to find (if there was an arrest anyhow). If they just have the victim, I guess it wouldn't.

Grasping.... obviously :(
 
Excellent article! Thanks for posting...I learned a lot. This was of note to me:

Abductors usually have very little, if any, contact with children in their daily lives.

That distinguishes them from a great majority of child molesters who are able to coerce victims by winning their trust and friendship
Thank you, I learned a lot from the article as well. Applying it to Jayme's case, it would seem we are looking for a socially awkward loner with less than stellar grooming habits. Lots more as well, but that jumped out at me.

What I did find particularly educational is that the article would suggest, if I'm understanding correctly, that Jayme's Perp wouldn't necessarily be a Pedo; rather someone who does not posses the social skills to interact with adult women.

In other words, we should be looking for the weird guy living in his Mom's basement. (Not limited too...but including).

Amateur speculation and opinion only
 
Wondering if perp (s) have their own surveillance system and are watching the Closs house..also it would be odd to have the dog leash outside if Molly needed to be "on" the leash to go potty...is it possible that Jayme was outside near back patio and was grabbed when the events started happening..if the perp does have surveillance...possible to know the routine at the Closs house..

I don't know about surveillance but I have wondered about the leash. Most people keep them inside. We do not now when those particular pictures date from as far as I know. I even wondered if perhaps LE took the dog for a walk (since she is Jayme's) to see if she would lead them anywhere. While LE was there at 1 a.m., Molly was never taken anywhere per the dispatch log until much, much later, was it around noon? Where did the have her the entire time they were there? They would not have let her mess up any scene...

Hard to say if it means anything--was the leash in sight in original pictures? It doesn't seem like it. Maybe the family has been back and left it there while walking Molly and taking her with...

I agree though that most people do not leave a leash outside, they hook the dog on it before going out the door...
 
I'm still fairly new here, how does one know if their own or others' posts have been removed? I assume if I've violated TOS and had my post removed, I would receive an alert? But if someone else's has been removed, how do we know to stop talking about it?

Thank you, I did look around in the admin threads but am not sure how it all works.
They’ll alert you that your post has been removed.
 
I don't know about surveillance but I have wondered about the leash. Most people keep them inside. We do not now when those particular pictures date from as far as I know. I even wondered if perhaps LE took the dog for a walk (since she is Jayme's) to see if she would lead them anywhere. While LE was there at 1 a.m., Molly was never taken anywhere per the dispatch log until much, much later, was it around noon? Where did the have her the entire time they were there? They would not have let her mess up any scene...

Hard to say if it means anything--was the leash in sight in original pictures? It doesn't seem like it. Maybe the family has been back and left it there while walking Molly and taking her with...

I agree though that most people do not leave a leash outside, they hook the dog on it before going out the door...
Wasn't there a picture of the pink leash outside..?
 
I think that whole 5 feet into the house comment from the sheriff is garbage. Either they have absolutely nothing and they are making the assumption because they cannot come up with a real timeline of how long the perp was there. OR they have DNA but no idea who it belongs to from other areas of the home and it is their only evidence to convict, and they don't want the perp to think that. To me they are playing the "we got nothing" card to convince the perp they may just get away with it in hopes they slip up or someone talks.

Unless she went willingly, I don't believe they would have her if they only went 5 feet into the house. She would have ran away in the other direction out the back.
The 5 feet thing has never made sense to me. Not that I don't think it's possible that was as far as they came into the house, but that you could say that as if it were fact. I never understood the assumption that somehow just walking anywhere leaves some sort of footprints. That makes no sense to me. It was dry out and hadn't rained in a while. As long as you don't step in blood, or if you were an accomplice that entered from the patio or garage, I don't see why there would be magical dry footprints left anywhere.

And if there were dirt or leaf bits... so what? What does that actually tell us? Besides, it doesn't appear to me as if this was necessarily the cleanest home in town, ready for a Better Homes & Gardens cover. My point being, it's not at all far-fetched that the perp and/or an accomplice ventured further into that house. I dunno... just rambling out loud...
 
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