AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #8

[pinkfly]

At first, I was sure that Jayme was their goal, but after revisiting Hargon, I am thinking perhaps a simmering grudge and James and Denise were the target. Jayme might have been taken for two reasons. 1. Poor planning, I don't know what to do with the kid. 2. Someone to tell, to say look I won. I would then look at who was passed up for a raise? Who was fired? Not promoted? Who would James' award for hours worked out at the gym irritate more? Someone rejected by Denise? A family grudge renewed at the party? Land dispute?

I have thought along these same lines too along with the wrong address idea.....I always come back to the same question. To what end for Jayme? You now have the hottest ticket in the country in your backseat and have to figure out how to save your own hyde. My thinking is that if it was a grudge against the parents or a wrong address and Jayme got taken because of no ammo or time it would only be to leave her dead in a different location. If the snatcher doesn't have a proclivity to be a sexual predator she becomes a huge burden.

 

[white rabbit]

I keep coming back to Jennie-O whenever I try to come up with scenarios. Maybe it is because they both worked there. Having worked in a company that employed spouses, it can cause lots of issues. Take for instance if one was a supervisor and one wasn't, this can lead to employees seeing favoritism even if there isn't any. 27 years is a long time and I am sure there are others who have worked there for many years also. In this situation, co-workers can become like a second family. Often there are relationships formed that wouldn't have formed in a different situation. People can form fixations on co-workers for various reasons. I just can't figure out how Jayme being taken would tie into any scenario that I have thought of in regards to fellow co-workers.

i agree and can only think of this scenario: if it was a terminated employee(s), no one would "miss" him/them. because he/they didn't show up for work no one would think it out of the ordinary since he/they were fired.

 

[Le Singe]

I wonder if police have been called to the residence before for something similar? Maybe that’s why the reference was made?

has been stated by the sheriff they've never had a call there before for any reason.

 

[JaneEyre]

Do we have conformation if the Closs’ owned any firearms? I recall some discussion upstream about James possibly being a hunter, is this a fact? Because if so where is his hunting gun(s)? This would mean that burglary was in fact involved? Thanks is advance for helping clear this up for me.

His facebook showed he hunts and had guns. He could have kept them elsewhere because they had a child or if he didn't have proper lock up for them. I'm not sure we know the gun he used to hunt was his, though.

 

[JohnTate90210]

Home Invasion in Barron Wisconsin on December 19, 2018 and another in Chetek Wisconsin 45 minutes later.

4 masked men with baseball bats and a GUN broke in and robbed the residents while holding them at gunpoint.
Occupant at second location was struck with a bat after trying to tackle one of the invaders.

Maybe they've escalated? idk

I'm on a tablet and can't figure out how to link to the article.

Cumberland Advocate 12-20-2017 edition

Four in custody in connection to home invasions in Barron County

 

[Hulamints]

I managed to circle the camera on the building corner next to the front entrance at St. Croix Casino.

Here's the photo. You will see the camera circled in pink.

BTW: Please don't mind the sheep on the bottom of the photo They are my screen pets.

I'm afraid that there are too many roads leading both north and south between the Closs home and the casino for the killer to have traveled. I hope there's a chance that a camera somewhere found something. This is such an awful crime.

 

[MassGuy]

Home Invasion in Barron Wisconsin on December 19, 2018 and another in Chetek Wisconsin 45 minutes later.

4 masked men with baseball bats and a GUN broke in and robbed the residents while holding them at gunpoint.
Occupant at second location was struck with a bat after trying to tackle one of the invaders.

Maybe they've escalated? idk

I'm on a tablet and can't figure out how to link to the article.

Cumberland Advocate 12-20-2017 edition

Many home invasions are drug related. I highly doubt there is a connection.

 

[photographer4]

If police thought he could be revived (tried CPR) would the transcript show that? If they didn’t attempt it, why didn’t they? It was unclear how long parents had been dead for... to me they hadn’t just expired and were clearly gone past the point of CPR being a possible tactic to try.

Pondering my own prior post... developed this theory:
- The parents: dad was done for when he approached the door. Its kicked in, he's gunned down. We don't know when this happens. Not given any timeline.
- Police locate mom elsewhere. We're not clear on how long she has been dead for either.
- Doesn't seem police attempt CPR on either parent, so to me, its unlikely either parent made the 911 call. In my mind, police noted parents unresponsive per the transcript - so did they feel for a pulse? Determine the bodies were somewhat cool? Perhaps rigor mortis had set in? Maybe blood stains already drying?
- What if Jayme found her mom's cell phone, and it was wrestled away from her but not before she got the 911 out? Maybe SHE was tied to the chair to prevent her from escaping and she was being shot at when the neighbours heard the gun shots? OR:
Maybe those shots were her FIRING at someone? Perhaps that necessitated her being tied to a... chair? Such as the one we saw LE carry out of the home?
- If Jayme was tied up, and parents were taken out - then what were perp(s) doing in the home between when parents killed and they vanished presumably with Jayme? Were they looking for something?
- If Jayme was targeted specifically, then maybe killing her parents coldly was in order to make her more compliant and less likely to resist at the time or ever?

Do we know if anything in the home is missing? Anything at all? Or if it appeared to have been ransacked?

 

[EllaMae]

Apparently a regional difference because that would not be the case at all in the Southern states.

That's the problem with generalizations.....they are usually untrue. I was born and raised in the South and have always lived down here. There are literally hundreds of casino tour buses that carry people to the casinos every day. Tunica, Biloxi, Montgomery.....and people love it. It's very popular and a group I used to work with went once a month. There are also casino cruises down here. It's no big deal that someone goes to a casino, and most people don't care. Many of these same casino patrons also go to church....especially retired people who love to use the bus tours.

 

[Wrenny]

We do not know when the family got home that night. If Jayme & Mom were at the family party that afternoon, they probably got home early to mid-evening.
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It has been stated but not proven as far as I know that Dad was working that evening. The plant shifts likely ended at midnight.

Maybe mom and Jayme went somewhere after the party, and attracted a perv. Walmart, grocery store, even a gas station.

I read somewhere that the 2nd shift at the store was 3-11. But I don't have a source for that, is why I haven't mentioned it here before.

 

[margarita25]

Kids are sneaky, even good kids. Most of them have one FB page that grandma can see, and another one under an alias. Most kids that age rarely use their FB page and prefer Snapchat, etc.
the forensics should be to the keystroke level, as I’m sure they must be doing.

No matter how smart for their age, any 13 year old girl can fall prey to an online romance that is t what it seems.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Additionally many feel invincible and do not fully absorb the dangers al though we tell them.

They are kids after all.

 

[Lizzack1]

Ok taking a step back here to reprocess...

Do we have any idea of the family’s whereabouts from the time that mom and daughter left family event? What time was that even? Did they go straight home? Without knowing for certain where the father was (possibly work or whatever has been stated by LE) do we know what time he came home for the night?

Do we have any estimate on how long anyone was home before what is the earliest report of activity (two gunshots at 12:31)?

Seems to me that there was a good amount of time for the family- or 2 of the 3- to be there for awhile...Nothing just starts with 2 gunshots going off. You have to believe that the perp(s) was instead or shortly thereafter...meaning....if the neighbors timing is accurate, there was nearly at least 30 minutes worth of commotion happening in that house.

We don’t know what the scene at the door means yet, and I think we’re getting too caught up in that detail -the door- being some kind of breach or method of entry. (Perhaps there was a struggle getting jayme out the door or a physical altercation at some point that led to the door’s condition).

What I mean and probably not communicating well is I think there is a lot of time to account for and without knowing all the moving parts or players inside. What can we deduct from what we DO know to piece together that family’s movements from the last time all three were see alive? Maybe I’m overlooking something that’s already been verified, but do we know that dad arrived home later than mom and daughter for certain?

It’s so easier to get caught up in trying to figure where that little girl could be and if she’s safe. I can hear how mentally and emotionally exhausting this case has been for many of us especially without any new info.

My brain is mashed potatoes.

 

[photographer4]

She could have run voluntarily from the house in which case I doubt she would have been dressed for the weather. Maybe that's why LE did a 14 mile search with volunteers. I wonder about the search - how far behind the house it extended. Checking the house site map, behind it is a rr, a stream, then plowed fields - a lot of unoccupied space.

In my mind the officers calling for 100 volunteers was probably just for two reasons:
- give worried people something to do (make busy)
- see / document who all turns out... note their demeanour. Listen to what they say / don't say about the case. Maybe someone is more interested than the others? Maybe someone is expected to show up but doesn't? Maybe someone finds something (eg: a perp drops something in the pathway then claims to have 'found' it)? As in a bit of a cat / mouse game with police?

I don't think they were really thinking they'd find anything of physical evidentiary value. I think it was more a watch and see kinda thing.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Four in custody in connection to home invasions in Barron County

Thank you for the update. Ruling them out now

 

[photographer4]

The dog wasn't taken away and released to a relative until almost 12 hours later. My guess would be that the dog was carefully looked at. ( 10/15 12:35 pm dog was left with family at residence on 17th street - per call log)

Thank you for helping me to recall the timing on the dog being off to relatives. I wonder then what state was the doggo in when police found it?

 

[rsd1200]

I think it's something similar although I wouldn't say we can guess down to such small details with the limited evidence we have. I'd never rule anything out until the evidence does but I'm convinced the perp went there for Jayme. None of the other theories make sense with them taking her.

The perp must know her fairly well or seen her around a lot and be absolutely obsessed with her. If this is just your standard paedophile then I'm sure there's plenty of other little 13 year old girls to grab in the local area who wouldn't require the effort this did. You'd also expect the majority of paedophiles to wait and seize an opportunity, rather than brazenly grab her from her own home.

I think the perp went there to get Jayme and the homicides happened because A) the perp panicked as you've mentioned in your post or B) he was so obsessed with Jayme that nothing was going to stop him taking her.

BBM
I think so too. Online chatting keeps coming to the surface too, at least for me. Other thoughts; Where were the dance practices/competitions, who took her, if her aunt did, she might think back about who, (males in particular), attended practices/competitions regularly, but may not have a child of their own, ie; I'm just here watching my niece or neighbor's child. She likes for me to support her, etc...,

 

[photographer4]

Random thoughts:
If dad was killed by a gunshot at close range... would the perp(s) be covered in blood? If they stepped over him to get into the house, would they then leave a trail to tell a story at the scene? Did someone change clothes at the scene? Wash up? Knowing more about the scene sure would tell us more about the state of mind / level of planning that went into this.

 

[Wrenny]

I've been wondering if the suitcase was evidence or was it LE equipment used for evidence collection?

Doesn't look like LE equipment because its stuffed full.

 

[JaneEyre]

any verification if they went to church that Sunday? Do we know if they usually made it there every week?

I don't know but I'll throw two things out there. First, they've been described as being very active in their church. But second, Catholics can attend mass on either Saturday night or Sunday and it counts as Sunday mass. Most people with kids choose to attend Sunday simply because kids' catechism is directly after Sunday mass 99% of the time.

 

[SJ16321]

Additionally many feel invincible and do not fully absorb the dangers al though we tell them.

They are kids after all.

Absolutely. You can highlight all the dangers to them over and over, unfortunately pretty much all 13 year old girls would abandon all common sense if what they perceive to be an older attractive boy is hitting on them.