AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #8

[NervousNellie]

Sheriff: Missing girl at home when parents were shot to death
According to this article the extended family says that the door was shot in. I'm wondering whether the shots the neighbors heard were the ones outside, and maybe they didn't hear the fatal gunshots that would have been inside the home. So chilling.

I absolutely agree there could have been additional shots that the neighbor did not hear.

 

[Trocroc9]

I know tons of web sleuthers and admin are annoyed with me but I have to justify why I think there is something going on with the casino. There is not much else for 40-50 year olds to do in Barron. I know that my 60 plus year old parents are frequent fliers of our Native American run casino and yes they are churchgoers as well. I just think there are monetary ties that could have caused this. No reward being offered because LE knows this and would actually be what the perps want to pay off the debt.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

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[JaneEyre]

Sheriff: Missing girl at home when parents were shot to death
According to this article the extended family says that the door was shot in. I'm wondering whether the shots the neighbors heard were the ones outside, and maybe they didn't hear the fatal gunshots that would have been inside the home. So chilling.

It was closer to 22 minutes, wasn't it? And if the mother and Jayme had to found, killed/contained, it might take 22 minutes.

 

[Confusion]

Home Invasion in Barron Wisconsin on December 19, 2018 and another in Chetek Wisconsin 45 minutes later.

4 masked men with baseball bats and a GUN broke in and robbed the residents while holding them at gunpoint.
Occupant at second location was struck with a bat after trying to tackle one of the invaders.

Maybe they've escalated? idk

I'm on a tablet and can't figure out how to link to the article.

Cumberland Advocate 12-20-2017 edition

I know it's late to be responding to this, but I just wanted to clarify a few things. First the date was 12/19/17, not 12/19/18 . The other things are that the 4 masked "men" were 17, 17, 17 & 20 years old. They were caught and, as far as I know, are still locked up. MOO

 

[btfly547]

After going through a lot of different scenarios, and dropping them, one by one, I am leaning towards this being a very ugly home invasion by meth freaks.

Same conclusion for me.
Mostly because I had a random invasion by a drug addict a couple years ago. He had a gun, but thankfully didn't harm any of us.

 

[elektroangel]

There is no proof that the killer stayed any length of time.

Well who was doing the yelling? Who hung up the phone?

 

[Deleted member 278]

You're right, we have no concrete proof. However, assuming neighbors correctly noted the time of hearing 2 gun shots at 12:31, 911 call ended at 12:56, officer(s) arrive at 1:03 .... sounds like the suspect(s) could have been there for at least 25-30 minutes. That seems like a long time to stay at the scene of a double homicide to me too. MOO.

*I remain skeptical about the neighbor's statements though.

Yes, it does seem like a long time so that's why I think it was much shorter than 25-30 minutes. The length of time between the shots and the 911 call has nothing to do with how long the killer stayed in the house.

 

[Alexsea]

That does not mean that the killer was in the house for 1/2 hour or 20 minutes or 10 minutes.

Okay. I’m gonna be unpopular for this, but what I have seen from LE is this:
1. Jayme was present during the shootings;
2. LE believes this because of evidence in the 911 call.

This is NOT proof Jayme was home at the time of the 911 call. The disturbance and yelling on the call might be mom and/or dad yelling “Jayme where are you” before they passed. That would lead investigators to believe she was there during the shooting, but she might not have been present for the actual call. Unless we can see LE saying Jayme was for sure home at the time of the call, I have to assume there’s a possibility that she and perps were well clear of the scene before 911 was called.
MOO garbled thought for today. Forgive if I missed something.

 

[Lorelei1]

But he must have been at work on Monday and Tuesday?

Unless he didn’t work or had the day off, for example, a school board employee who had a long weekend. JMO

 

[cluciano63]

Does WI keep a current list of missing persons? Not finding anything helpful...

 

[MsBetsy]

I'm guessing there were more than 2 gunshots. Especially considering the police report's statement about James. I think we need to get past the only 2 shots heard by the neighbors. They probably really weren't paying much attention, had their TV turned up, could be hard of hearing, etc. I am honestly surprised they were the only neighbors who heard anything.

I thought of the possibility of the tv being on as well, as there might have been background noise preventing them from hearing all the shots. I've also thought that maybe there was more than one, if the father had one of his own and confronted the intruder, there was a struggle, and when he took Jayme he also took the gun with him. It would have taken several minutes to get her out of the house, collect the gun and any other evidence he didn't want to leave behind. But for now we have so little to go on, I just don't know.

 

[Hulamints]

You're right it's probably not a major detail but it might give a stronger hint towards the suspect(s) not being close enough to the family as being someone they would open the door for in the middle of the night. But it doesn't prove anything.

 

[cluciano63]

Okay. I’m gonna be unpopular for this, but what I have seen from LE is this:
1. Jayme was present during the shootings;
2. LE believes this because of evidence in the 911 call.

This is NOT proof Jayme was home at the time of the 911 call. The disturbance and yelling on the call might be mom and/or dad yelling “Jayme where are you” before they passed. That would lead investigators to believe she was there during the shooting, but she might not have been present for the actual call. Unless we can see LE saying Jayme was for sure home at the time of the call, I have to assume there’s a possibility that she and perps were well clear of the scene before 911 was called.
MOO garbled thought for today. Forgive if I missed something.

I doubt that would be enought for LE anyway. Also they said there were no words on call, as far as I know...just sounds.

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

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[Oller]

Does WI keep a current list of missing persons? Not finding anything helpful...

Here you go, Clu!

Wisconsin Missing Persons | Clearinghouse for Missing & Exploited Children & Adults

 

[DexterMorgan]

I frequent AC and Vegas and my husband used to, ummmm, really like gambling.

Lol. That was funny. Thanks for the share. I picture you guys with 5 tvs and 10 different sport games playing on each one. Lol.

Just kidding.

 

[Jethro4WS]

She can be heard among the arguing in the background of the 911 call?

That is unknown. We only know that, in part, the 911 call indicates her presence.

 

[SharonNeedles]

Yes, it does seem like a long time so that's why I think it was much shorter than 25-30 minutes. The length of time between the shots and the 911 call has nothing to do with how long the killer stayed in the house.

This is a long shot, but the assumption that the assailant(s) were in the house for 25-30 is based on another assumption that the shots heard at 12:30 we the first shots fired. What if those shots weren’t even related? Maybe even from another direction. I wouldn’t think hearing rurall gunshots at night out there is all that uncommon, and the neighbors apparently weren’t too concerned with it at the time either.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Not necessarily. We don't know their mortgage balance and for all we know they already took out a HELOC on the house. I feel like if this is over money it is over BIG money. Not something small. We have no knowledge of what kind of people they were other than what family has said. That doesn't mean they didn't have skeletons in the closet, and it doesn't mean they did.

If we base theories on what we know that is one thing but there hasn't even been a hint either parent did something wrong and brought this on themselves. None.

I can only speak for myself of course but it is a form of victim blaming without one shred of evidence to support the accusations.

If by some miracle Jayme is found alive.. one day she may read what has been written about the two people she loves more than anyone else in the world. I never lose sight of that.

Jmoo