AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #8

[klind55]

The the more I look back at the Short case the more eerily similar they seem. Especially the fact that the home phone line of the Short’s was physically cut. It hasn’t been made clear yet though whether the Closs’ home phone line was physically “disconnected” or disconnected in that they had a home phone but canceled their service. I’m curious to know which option is the case.

I took the disconnected as meaning the phone was no longer in service and the 911 operator got the generic message that the phone number ######## is no longer in service. Could be because they canceled landline or they didn't pay a bill. Almost always when a phone line gets cut outside a residence or pulled out of the wall the phone will still ring or ring busy for the caller. So being the 911 operator didn't say she received a busy signal or that no one answered she stated the phone was actually disconnected. That leads me to believe they didn't have a landline they used anymore.

 

[Shade13]

Another possible scenario would be if the neighbor next door misread her clock and instead of being 12:38 (actually 12:31) maybe it was 12:58 (actually 12:51) and that timing would seem to make more sense. And with a digital clock a 3 and a 5 can look very close to one another. If you move just the top vertical segment from the right to the left you change the 3 to the 5. Being they appeared to be elderly coupled with they were out til 11:30 misreading her clock could be a very distinct possibility. If indeed it was at 12:58/12:51 she heard the shots it cuts off 20 minutes the perp was in the house. Food for thought

Just my 02.

Also just plain forgetting. I wake up in the middle of the night sometimes and see the time on the clock and then forget the time the next morning.

 

[Trocroc9]

I get it and understand I’m only playing devils advocate here.. don’t want to be attacked but I know people especially criminals think simply..money will be given to them .. actually a lot of money for a child

This will irritate a lot of people but maybe they are waiting for the reward . Which is why LE is resistant to doing that at this point

 

[Waterdog]

Perhaps James was not at the gathering because he had to work a Monday 1am shift. He may have stayed home to sleep thus he had to work...later.

Maybe this is a matter of semantics on the grandfather’s part. Instead of saying the dad didn’t attend the party because he had to be at work early the next day, he says he didn’t come to the party because he had to work.

I’m aggravated by the lazy reporting and lazy details. Ask the right questions the right way and you’ll get the right answers. Grrr.

 

[HavenWood]

Certain answers would help a lot in trying to figure out how things played out.

What hours were dad's work shift? I have found mention of night shift at Jennie Os being till 1am, so did dad unexpectedly come home early? Did perps know his normal routine, and know that it would only be mum and Jayme at home earlier in the evening? But then did dad maybe feel ill and knocked off work earlier than expected. Maybe perps left breaking into house until say around midnight, thinking Jayme and mum would both be asleep by then, less traffic going past, neighbours asleep as well. They probably thought an hour was plenty of time for their purposes, but then dad came home early?

Were the shots that the neighbour heard (around 12.31) when dad arrived at the house, and the shots were heard because the door was open?

Was the door kicked in at (say in my theory) just after midnight, as the perp was going for a blitz attack, bursting into the house, and thinking mum and daughter would be groggy/still half asleep and not realise what was going on straight away?

Was it a sole perp or was there more than one? I'm thinking if dad was first victim shot, and mum and Jayme are hiding in bathroom ... it has been reported there was a lot of shouting or yelling could be heard in the 911 call, which makes me wonder if there may have been more than one perp?

The timing between sound of shots and 911 call - the arrival and shooting of dad wasn't in the original plan, the perp or perps has to now change tactic because they have murdered somebody. Maybe if more than one perp they even argued over what to do. Maybe one wanted to flee immediately, maybe the other said that we have to kill them (mum and Jayme) because they either know their ids or could at least provide a good description of them to police. Maybe they were yelling at mum to open bathroom door, and depending on whether Jayme and mum were together in there or not, if Jayme had hidden somewhere else and they found her, mum would have then obeyed whatever orders they gave her, including opening bathroom door. They end up killing mum. But for whatever reason, whether Jayme was the original target of somebody obsessed with her, or they can't bring themselves to kill a kid, or they figure take her as a hostage to try and protect them from LE (leverage - back off or we kill her) , they then take Jayme with them.

The getaway - they realise LE will be coming (from direction of town), so they flee by going the opposite direction (west), even without speeding, they will be long gone by the time LE reach the house, and even further away by the time LE ascertain was has happened.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

If we base theories on what we know that is one thing but there hasn't even been a hint either parent did something wrong and brought this on themselves. None.

I can only speak for myself of course but it is a form of victim blaming without one shred of evidence to support the accusations.

If by some miracle Jayme is found alive.. one day she may read what has been written about the two people she loves more than anyone else in the world. I never lose sight of that.

Jmoo

I so agree with you OBE.

 

[Mom24]

Seriously, why were scent dogs not used?

They were. I posted an article about it.

 

[Waterdog]

This will irritate a lot of people but maybe they are waiting for the reward . Which is why LE is resistant to doing that at this point

Great point. So risky for the unsub(s) though, eh?

 

[Alethea]

Understood. Completely agree. She was there during the shootings, but nothing yet still proves she was present during the 911 call. I believe that second bit is unproven with the evidence we have.

I tend to agree with you. Until we hear the 911 call or more is released about it, we don't know. For all we know Denise may have been able to crawl to a phone and dial 911 and was trying to shout to see if her husband was alive. We just don't know.

 

[Stunned]

How are the FBI so sure Jayme is 100% alive? Only one way I know of.

 

[BRRI]

Around the year 2000, cellular companies started to charge to change your number when you moved to another state. I was a frequent business traveler and would change my phone number in most cities in which I was working. When they started charging for changing your number, I never changed my number. Look for him residing in Georgia prior to 2001. Just a thought

I did and couldn’t find anything for him. I went back into the 90s. His SSN was issued in Wisconsin too, so appears he was born/raised in WI

 

[Vaderman]

Regarding the timing of the first shots and the 911 call...could the call have been made outside of the house? Such as from the car by the victim, as she is being driven away? I know dropped 911 calls are "pinged", but there was one article that stated the police called the number back and reached the voicemail of the mother. And then they tried the landline. The perp chucks the phone from the car and the police later locate it.

The time span just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I agree with the previous mention that the neighbor likely misread the clock rather than this thing spanning over half an hour.

 

[Trocroc9]

Great point. So risky for the unsub(s) though, eh?

Don’t think they care because they are so far unrelated to the actual situation .. I think they were for hire

 

[Moonracer]

I am trying to think, if it wasn't a random attack, or an online obsessed person, might LE take a look at local girls and in Rice Lake also who might have older boyfriends who saw Jayme, maybe at a dance performance or just around her activities? Just My Opinion.

I am not suggesting her peers were the perps, but rather an older person "dating" them, poss. MOOo.

 

[Alexsea]

I tend to agree with you. Until we hear the 911 call or more is released about it, we don't know. For all we know Denise may have been able to crawl to a phone and dial 911 and was trying to shout to see if her husband was alive. We just don't know.

Thank you. This was exactly the point I was trying to make. It may not be a big deal, but we can’t assume.

 

[Andreee]

St. Croix Casino takes video surveillance very seriously; so seriously in fact, that if you work in video surveillance there, once you quit, you are not allowed back on the property for three years. A neighbor of mine and a close relative of mine both worked video surveillance at the Turtle Lake Casino. The neighbor went in 2 years after quitting to do some gambling, and was promptly escorted out of the casino.

JMO, throwing that out there.

At first I thought gambling debt might be a factor, but I have ruled that out due to all of the reasons against that as expressed by posters.

 

[Oller]

At first I thought gambling debt might be a factor, but I have ruled that out due to all of the reasons against that as expressed by posters.

I don’t think gambling debt had anything to do with this, MOO.

Edited for spelling- do, not due.

 

[Vaderman]

How are the FBI so sure Jayme is 100% alive? Only one way I know of.

They have her?

 

[Trino]

Where is the perp(s) keeping Jayme, or is he? I don't feel there has been a legitimate sighting. We're heading into week two, and this isn't good.

 

[Deleted member 278]

How are the FBI so sure Jayme is 100% alive? Only one way I know of.

That was from one media source and we don't know if the "insider" is a bona fide FBI agent. I will believe the statement only if it comes from Fotzgerald.