Found Deceased WI - Kathleen Ryan, adult, teacher, car found burned with body inside, St. Francis, 2 Feb 2019

[beatrixpotter]

The point of bunkers is not to be seen. Stockpiles of weapons are not laid out in the open. These people exist all around the country. There are cults that exist in rural areas.

There is just as much credence to this theory as the one of carjacking but leaving the car behind and crazy mad max gangs running people off the highways

What about spontaneous combustion?

 

[Curiousobserver]

Right, but any person in their right mind would exit the car, like the woman you saw. Nobody, unless unconscious or incapacitated, is going to just sit there & deliberately become engulfed by flames.

I am certainly not implying that, only that if your car shorts or is leaking gas it can be engulfed very quickly. If you had trouble getting out you could be overtaken in a minute or so.

I am not endorsing that this happened, just that it is possible.

The timeline doesn't make sense- she was supposed to be at the game much earlier than the fire at 9:30-10PM. Obviously something interrupted her plans.

 

[YaYa_521]

The point of bunkers is not to be seen. Stockpiles of weapons are not laid out in the open. These people exist all around the country. There are cults that exist in rural areas.

There is just as much credence to this theory as the one of carjacking but leaving the car behind and crazy mad max gangs running people off the highways

BBM

You're exactly right and so was I when I replied saying just as much above.

I know who or should I say what are preppers. I've seen documentaries, etc., but again, I'm just saying in my exprience I've never heard of Baptist (or Mormons for that matter) attempting to indoctrinate into the doomsday movement any of their believers. That's all.

In terms of Ms. Ryan's case, you disagree with most of our theories and most of us disagree with yours. That's the true beauty of diversity of thought based on experiences and beliefs. It's absolutely okay to disagree. It's not a contest; it's using critical thinking skills and wisdom (meaning life experiences) to draw conclusions and compare thoughts. Personally I use others' thoughts or suspicions to check my own. It's about me winning against me, I guess. Haha

MOO of course.

Now we all must just sit and wait to see if anythjng in the investigation shows what really happened to Ms. Ryan.

Feel free to PM me or start a thread on the appropriate board regarding "preppers" if you'd like, but I'm going back on topic. I don't plan to reply on this thread about it.
Nice chatting about it, though.

 

[YaYa_521]

What about spontaneous combustion?

Yes, it's possible. There are a few documented cases of that happening. But, umm, less bet on likelihood rather than possibility.

I'll bet a kidney it was a violent crime of some sort. What you got?

 

[bwt42]

So that means all crimes including this one are not personal? Sorry I am trying to follow the logic.

What happened in that case has absolutely no connection to this.

If its ok to throw factless theories out, what if she was confronted by a doomsday prepper or a crazy cult? There isnt proof but there is tons of aggressive people out in rural areas with stockloads of weapons looking to fight off others. Maybe she went down the wrong road and they thought she was invading

Heres a link to murders done by preppers
Doomsday Desperation


But I think its personal, otherwisew I feel it be just her body burned not the car too. Why leave the car if you are jacking it? Makes no sense

If the car was jacked & the perps were done with it, they could just torch it to destroy it. Some perps are ruthless. I recently watched a first 48 episode about 4 guys who jacked a car & when they ran out of gas shot & killed an older woman & took her car.

 

[LarkBunting]

I don’t think Gurnee is a rural area full of Doomsday Preppers. It’s a pretty populated town with one of the biggest/busiest malls in the US (Gurnee Mills).

 

[TGIRecovered]

I’m leaning toward the theory that a crime occurred before she left for go see her son. The person who did this would be someone who knew that she was expected at the game. The perp either killed her or restrained her then drove toward where she was supposed to go, ( sorry, forgot name of the town). The perp knew to avoid the tollway to avoid detection. Picked a random secluded drive, set her and the car on fire.

Was there an accomplice to follow and give the perp a ride home? Perhaps the perp stowed a bicycle or scooter in the trunk. All MOO.

 

[LarkBunting]

“Dr. Cooper said just like other similar cases, they’re treating this as a homicide, and it will take some time before they release any findings.”

St. Augustine Prep mourns the loss of teacher Kathleen Ryan

 

[lex8396]

After reading many online articles, it appears Milwaukee area has a big problem with car jacking and robberies using victims car as a way to initiate contact with potential victims. Here is one where The VICTIM pulled a legally concealed gun on the alleged carjacker.
Concealed-carry permit holder flips the script, shoots and kills alleged carjacker

 

[PayrollNerd]

If she took any toll road, the fee would hit her credit card within hours, if not minutes. I have an electronic pass for tolls in multiple states. By the time I stop for the night, those toll charges are on my bill. One can quickly determine where the vehicle was or wasn’t, then focus on the cameras in those locations. To this day, the toll fees for my kids cars go to my credit card. That’s intentional.

 

[Skylark6]

I don’t think Gurnee is a rural area full of Doomsday Preppers. It’s a pretty populated town with one of the biggest/busiest malls in the US (Gurnee Mills).

Yes, it's pretty solidly suburban. That particular area is a little more "rural" but not in the boonies by any means. Lot of traffic, too.

Using Google walking maps I zoomed in on one of the driveways it may have been, and they run a furniture restoration business and list their phone number, so I don't see then being startled at someone pulling into their driveway (nor would I expect that of much of that area). Obviously we don't know the address but just something I noticed on a possibility.

Gurnee does see a lot of "out-of-towners" due to the mall, Six Flags (not open in winter though) and indoor water park a like Great Wolf Lodge. Just something of note. Interesting too that a truck stop is nearby.

The area she was found in is bordered by a forest preserve, areas set aside and protected from development, often with trails, etc. Sadly, people do go to such places to commit suicide - if that was the case, or even a crime, you'd think it'd be more tempting to "hide" in the preserve? The driveway indicates a wanting to o be found to me. Just something else of note.

 

[Eleanor Rigby]

What about spontaneous combustion?

Yes, it's possible. There are a few documented cases of that happening. But, umm, less bet on likelihood rather than possibility.
I'll bet a kidney it was a violent crime of some sort. What you got?

While spontaneous human combustion is rare, apparently spontaneous combustion of other things, especially vehicles and buildings, is not. After noticing many media reports of car fires in my state, often with the death of an occupant, I was surprised and curious, so naturally I started Googling for more information. At the bottom of the internet "rabbit hole," I came upon a "very interesting" blog called "Jumping Jack Flash Hypothesis." While the hypothesis sounds very wild, and I have no inkling about the science of hydrogen sulfide, what I found interesting was the author's very thorough documentation of unexplained fires from all over the world. He has archived day-by-day lists of fires and explosions going back years that don't seem to have easy explanations. Each fire is documented with several MSM reports. The numerous lists of fires are amazing. I had no idea there were so many occurring everywhere; I had thought there was just something odd going on in the Midwestern state in which I currently reside. One of my friends had a sudden, unexplained car fire while driving on a freeway in San Francisco, which at the time I thought was rare, but it's not. Luckily, she escaped in time and wasn't hurt, but her car was engulfed. Anyway, because of that blog, Kathleen's car fire caught my attention. However, after reading the reports and that the ME believes her death was a homicide, I'm betting (but not a kidney) he's right, and also that it was personal. MOO.

 

[GraceG]

Doomsday Desperation

Since the 1950s, Preppers, also known as “survivalists,” have spread their ideology and tradecraft through preparedness expositions, gun shows, literature, and religious institutions — such as Mormons, Baptists, and cults.

SPLC? AND where exactly are their references to go along with that article of fact?


I am Baptist and I have never seen or heard anything from anything, anyone, or any where associated with the Baptist religion that attempted to "indoctrinate" me or anyone else. As a matter of fact, I've never heard any talk of this movement in a religious context ever, until now (except for cults). I'd love to find out more from the author's sources though.

And can you explain how all these "preppers" get away with murdering women traveling along on intertates and highways and we don't hear about it? I mean even assuming Ms. Ryan used their driveway to turn around, do "preppers" just randomly and instantly kill her and burn her vehicle on their property then avoid making it known that's why they killed her? What's the point if their actions don't further their cause? Moreover, where are all the warning signs "preppers" would have at the edge of the drive warning people to stay away, off, out, etc.?

Whatever their motivation for believing these conspiracy theories, I am having a hard time believing they are that cold hearted to kill someone for using their drive. Just MO of course. But to your question, yes, there are just as many facts pointing to your theory as their are pointing to any of our theories, given the little facts we know at this point, assuming we're all average citizens rather than investigators or family, etc.

The question to me isn't always "is something possible?" rather it is, "if this is possible, how probable is it?" IMO it's more probable that this is a rape/robbery gone bad than it is a personal connection or "doomsday prepper" or "alien from Mars" or any number of other possible scenarios.

I'm a prepper and know a lot of them and without exception all are hardworking and kind. But trust me, the last place they want to live is expensive and corrupt Illinois. I am only here because I dearly love my husband he he got his dream job here. On his retirement, we are immediately moving back to rural Indiana. Gangs are the huge danger here especially those involved with MS 13 here illegally, and incredibly vicious in their initiations and crimes.

 

[Joe Friday]

While spontaneous human combustion is rare, apparently spontaneous combustion of other things, especially vehicles and buildings, is not. After noticing many media reports of car fires in my state, often with the death of an occupant, I was surprised and curious, so naturally I started Googling for more information. At the bottom of the internet "rabbit hole," I came upon a "very interesting" blog called "Jumping Jack Flash Hypothesis." While the hypothesis sounds very wild, and I have no inkling about the science of hydrogen sulfide, what I found interesting was the author's very thorough documentation of unexplained fires from all over the world. He has archived day-by-day lists of fires and explosions going back years that don't seem to have easy explanations. Each fire is documented with several MSM reports. The numerous lists of fires are amazing. I had no idea there were so many occurring everywhere; I had thought there was just something odd going on in the Midwestern state in which I currently reside. One of my friends had a sudden, unexplained car fire while driving on a freeway in San Francisco, which at the time I thought was rare, but it's not. Luckily, she escaped in time and wasn't hurt, but her car was engulfed. Anyway, because of that blog, Kathleen's car fire caught my attention. However, after reading the reports and that the ME believes her death was a homicide, I'm betting (but not a kidney) he's right, and also that it was personal. MOO.

If Kathleen was the victim of spontaneous human combustion or her car suddenly caught on fire while driving down the highway, don't you find it a little odd that she would be parked in a private drive on a road that was said to be off the route she normally would have taken, seven hours after she should have arrived at her destination, which was only 13 miles or 25 minutes away from where she and her car were found?

If a car starts on fire most people are not going to look for a place to pull off the road and park. They will pull over to the side of the road and save themselves from the burning fire.

JMO

 

[TTF14]

I'm a prepper and know a lot of them and without exception all are hardworking and kind. But trust me, the last place they want to live is expensive and corrupt Illinois. I am only here because I dearly love my husband he he got his dream job here. On his retirement, we are immediately moving back to rural Indiana. Gangs are the huge danger here especially those involved with MS 13 here illegally, and incredibly vicious in their initiations and crimes.

I'm not very familiar with preppers. What are most preppers prepping for?

 

[Joe Friday]

I'm not very familiar with preppers. What are most preppers prepping for?

Doomsday

Atomic Bomb

War

I'm sure you get the idea

 

[sewnosy]

I'm a prepper and know a lot of them and without exception all are hardworking and kind. But trust me, the last place they want to live is expensive and corrupt Illinois. I am only here because I dearly love my husband he he got his dream job here. On his retirement, we are immediately moving back to rural Indiana. Gangs are the huge danger here especially those involved with MS 13 here illegally, and incredibly vicious in their initiations and crimes.

 

[sewnosy]

You aren't kidding. Lake County Illinois has some of the highest real estate taxes in the nation. Can't imagine a worse place to try to save for the end of the world.

 

[kay74]

I'm a prepper and know a lot of them and without exception all are hardworking and kind. But trust me, the last place they want to live is expensive and corrupt Illinois. I am only here because I dearly love my husband he he got his dream job here. On his retirement, we are immediately moving back to rural Indiana. Gangs are the huge danger here especially those involved with MS 13 here illegally, and incredibly vicious in their initiations and crimes.

Boy have you got this right.

 

[Wagtales10]

Has there been any report of LE even mentioning gangs in this case?

I’d love to see that link