WI - Newborn girl, found shot to death, dad claimed he gave her to someone, Albany, Green Co., 9 Jan 2021 *Arrest*

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That's an interesting- does anybody know for sure? I'm inclined to think that's not the case. When I've been to the ER, they won't do anything without billing info. And I'd think that for a minor, they'd require a guardian to sign off as well.

Info on the Planned Parenthood states that the morning after pill is only available to those under 17 with a doctor's prescription.

And WI requires a family member to sign off on a minor's abortion, among other barriers.

I'd love to know more though. Access to medical services is so important!
You would think they’d require permission for a minor but that’s not the case in NY and many other states. Back in 2006, a friend’s 16 yr old daughter went to the ER for morning after pill. Her dad got the bill a month after and the hospital refused to tell him anything about why his daughter was in the ER. She first said a friend used her name but eventually admitted she went to the ER for the morning after pill and it was what all the kids did when they had unprotected sex.

I believe at present, anyone 17 or older can buy Plan B in a drug store. Under 17 requires a prescription, which can be from ER, clinic or private MD.

HIPPA protects minors as well as adults.
 
I couldn't bring myself to read everything here. The brutality is absolutely overwhelming.

I don't care how old they are, this is one of the most horrific cases I have come across and I only hope and pray that this is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Absolutely beyond words.

MOO
 
Absolutely! I believe, someone please correct me if I’m wrong, any minor can walk into a hospital ER and be given the morning after pill and the parents will not be notified. They can go to a Planned Parenthood center or similar clinic and receive counseling about birth control, options for pregnancy and adequate medical care. Unfortunately, PP centers are running on fumes because of reductions in funding.

The problem is that not all kids know they have these options. People object to sex education in schools and the result is preventable, unwanted pregnancy and young girls who feel they then have to hide the pregnancy. All because they don’t know they have many options at all stages of sexual activity. I know it’s a touchy subject but people need to understand that education is not the same thing as permission or encouragement.

mostly JMO

Agree. And would add that many of the groups that fulminate against sex education and remediation also seem outraged at having to fund (even temporarily) the care of children born who might not have been had high-quality education and/ or contraception been made properly available.

This is a truly awful case. The birth in a bathtub, the pain and terror that child mother likely suffered, and unimaginable brutality of shooting a newborn twice -- twice! -- in the head. And for what?
 
Why didn't the kid drop the baby off at a hospital or fire station, anywhere that was warm or just give the baby up for adoption? What is wrong with these kids?
I’d like to believe/hope that they’re not aware that they have those options. It doesn’t minimize the brutality of this situation but education is the answer to at least part of the problem.
 
I’d like to believe/hope that they’re not aware that they have those options. It doesn’t minimize the brutality of this situation but education is the answer to at least part of the problem.
It takes less brain power to think about dropping a baby off at a hospital than figuring out a way to illegally buy a gun and bullets and shooting an innocent newborn in the head a couple of times.

My first thought would be to wrap the baby up in warm blankets and drop it off at a hospital.

Girls play with dolls when they are young. So, I don't believe that the girl who gave birth didn't have enough brain cells to think of this herself.
 
Seems they knew they had other options. Snipped and BBM from the article at link below:

The complaint says Kruckenberg and the child's mother decided that they could not keep the baby and discussed several options such as dropping the child off at the local fire department or transporting the baby to Madison for adoption”.

Green County teen accused of killing newborn daughter

IMHO
 
They both decided instead to hand the baby to a random Snapchatter (does he even exist?) to take to an adoption agency apparently, hmmm. But it’s not clear to me whether they are both lying about that or whether she naively thought that would happen. Regardless, they considered and decided against taking their baby themselves to a place of safety, and at least one of them preferred the murder option.
 
I am still deeply troubled by his hearing the baby cry within the backpack and jumping up and down to sooth her. I know others commented that not much would be left to be autopsied on an infant who sustained 2 bullet wounds to her head but I still wonder if her death was more violent. If he shook her or abused her in another manner shooting her could have been to cover a real cause of death. Beyond heartbreaking. IMO

I haven't read this bit because I couldn't open the complaint but if he said he tried to sooth her crying maybe it was just so no one heard her and confronted him?. Obviously I might be way off because of not being able to open the link :(
 
It's unclear exactly when the baby's grandfather learned of the pregnancy and birth.

I'm pretty sure if he knew earlier that he wouldn't allow his daughter to give birth in a bathtub so it appears that the baby's mother told him after - maybe after the baby's father left with the infant? Did she have complications from the birth?

It would be enlightening to learn when the girl told her father. Also if the baby's father told the baby's mother what he did.

ETA: Corrected a sentence.

i have no source but it may be that she needed medical attn and had to go to her dad. and he may have questioned her and then reported it.
 
You must be not listening carefully. Yes, usually people like to torture and hurt them more before killing them but some prefer to make it as quick as possible so if they have a gun, they shoot.
And sorry for bringing that but after the fact everyone says how much loved she could be by foster parents. Would she be? There is so many stories about awful, horrific abuse, sexual abuse and denying food to the point that child barely keeps on going for years and years without any reaction from ss, neighbors, extended family, nor anyone else. It happens much often with foster/adoptive children than biological ones.

If i would fell pregnant while not able to take care of the child, I would wish this child dead before being born over fearing for the rest of my life that it's in fear, cold and hunger under the "care" of another pair of monsters found to fit to adopt or foster children.

I don't know if the mother knew or was involved in it but let's be real: there is no loved, accepted and cared for 16 yo, sane boy who would shoot a baby. If he's insane, then shame that it wasn't discovered and stopped earlier. If he wasn't then he's guilty of course but blaming him/them over those who made him or raised him this way should carry the majority of responsibility. Blindly blaming him over everyone around him it is just a way to accept it to happen over and over again.
I'm not suggesting to blame the parents, because it's not just a parents who raise a kid. What is and isn't accepted around him is raising him too.

this was a newborn, and i hate to say it, but white baby. this could have been a private adoption quick like. sorry for saying that.
 
Agree. And would add that many of the groups that fulminate against sex education and remediation also seem outraged at having to fund (even temporarily) the care of children born who might not have been had high-quality education and/ or contraception been made properly available.

I can't bear to think of what actually was done in this case, it's unfathomable.

So instead I will ask, are there many groups against sex education in the States? I'm from the UK and sex education is definitely the norm and never been aware of anyone against it (was at school in the 90s).
 
Dear god almighty. I knew when the thread first started something was not right with the story, but NEVER would I have imagined the horrific details.

This is truly heartbreaking. RIP little one.
 
Seems they knew they had other options. Snipped and BBM from the article at link below:

The complaint says Kruckenberg and the child's mother decided that they could not keep the baby and discussed several options such as dropping the child off at the local fire department or transporting the baby to Madison for adoption”.

Green County teen accused of killing newborn daughter

IMHO

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Krukenberg is the only person who has been arrested and charged with murder. Every article that I have seen has made it very clear that the allegation that the 14 year old girl discussed or consented in any way to the murder of her baby is coming solely from the statement of Krukenberg, the confessed murderer.

This young girl has just gone through the horror of being afraid to reveal her pregnancy and giving birth at home, alone in a bathtub. She is a minor child. A girl doesn't need to be savvy or calculating to conceal a pregnancy, she only has to be very afraid that she, not the 16 year old who had sex with her, will be blamed.

We don't know if she feared violence, shaming, being kicked out or forced to have an abortion. For all we know, she may have cared very much about her baby, enough to know that she could not provide a safe and healthy home or raise the baby herself. Even the murderer says that she discussed adoption with him.

I think that it is more likely that she, being young and naive, truly believed that he was going to take the baby to a safe haven or adoption agency. This girl, and her baby, are both victims. MOO
 
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I really don’t think the mother had anything to do with the murder. She may have have truly believed he was going to drop the baby off at a hospital or fire station and I am truly heartbroken for her. Whether she was forced or not, either way, he’s the one who took the baby and shot her. Twice.

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Agree. And would add that many of the groups that fulminate against sex education and remediation also seem outraged at having to fund (even temporarily) the care of children born who might not have been had high-quality education and/ or contraception been made properly available.

This is a truly awful case. The birth in a bathtub, the pain and terror that child mother likely suffered, and unimaginable brutality of shooting a newborn twice -- twice! -- in the head. And for what?

No contraception method is foolproof. Condoms fail, etc. It's the choices that were made afterwards that break my heart.
 

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