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Yes, I did see your IMO .. but when you make a statement and then use an IMO, it doesn't work.
Do we have to state IMO when we're talking hypothetically?
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Yes, I did see your IMO .. but when you make a statement and then use an IMO, it doesn't work.
Do we have to state IMO when we're talking hypothetically?
Yes, I did see your IMO .. but when you make a statement and then use an IMO, it doesn't work.
There were over 300 suicides in San Diego County last year and how many made the news. Only ones they usually make the news are suicide-murder or if a person first goes missing, then later found to be a suicide, or as in this case, unusual.
Here's an odd one where the family did not believe it was a suicide.
http://articles.sfgate.com/2008-03-28/bay-area/17167985_1_zhou-s-family-trunk-sleeping
Henry said police investigators found receipts indicating that Zhou bought four bottles of Unisom sleeping pills at stores in the days before she was last seen on the Stanford campus the morning of Jan. 20, 2007.
Police also recovered a security videotape from a Target store in Mountain View that shows Zhou purchasing Unisom, he said. She was alone and did not appear to be stressed, police said.
She started her sentence with "I'll bet." That immediately tells me it's an opinion.
We were discussing the investigation. There was no "I'll bet" there. Sorry to disagree with you, but it was a statement. Not an opinion.
Here's what CSD22 said:
I'll bet he paid for RZ's funeral and has paid lots of money to RZ and her family over the years, whether in cash, trips, or presents.
Originally Posted by CDS22 View Post
Why should he have to back her family if he has his own investigation going? Why should he back a lawyer who essentially blamed him for RZ's death while it can be proven he was by his dying son's bedside? The man is grieving the loss of his youngest son. He should be entitled to do that without people making up stories about him.
I'll bet he paid for RZ's funeral and has paid lots of money to RZ and her family over the years, whether in cash, trips, or presents.
How do we know what he was quick to accept? If you read RZ's sister's statement, she contradicts herself. First she says he told her husband it was suicide, then she says he told her he didn't know what happened.
For all we know, JS has his own private investigation going, and he's keeping it secret because it's more effective that way. Or perhaps he had his own investigation going from day one and is satisfied with what his private team has found.
People kill themselves all the time and often family members are totally unprepared for it.
I have no doubt Rebeccas family will not rest until this case is re-opened. After 20 years as a trial attorney and former domestic violence prosecutor, I suspect this case will be re-opened, at the very least, to address the many questions raised by Rebeccas family. Until than, I doubt the public and media scrutiny will subside.
The state AG typically steps in to defend convictions on appeal, handle prosecutions when the district attorneys (DA) office has a conflict, and as authorized by section 13 to see that the laws are uniformly and adequately enforced have direct supervision over every DA, sheriff and law enforcement officer and when required by the public interest the AG shall assist any district attorney in the discharge of the duties of that office. But, this inquiry isnt about whether a law was not enforced to trigger section 13. Its about whether an investigative finding of suicide was proper.
From your link:
She purchased the Unisom herself and they have video evidence of it, along with a note etc. Unless you can produce a video of Rebecca buying that tow rope I fail to see how you can compare these two cases.....other than the fact that the family couldn't accept the outcome. In my humble opinion.
If we are comparing odd cases, here is one:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-shot-wife-Diane-dead-pretended-suicide.html
There were over 300 suicides in San Diego County last year and how many made the news. Only ones they usually make the news are suicide-murder or if a person first goes missing, then later found to be a suicide, or as in this case, unusual.
Here's an odd one where the family did not believe it was a suicide.
http://articles.sfgate.com/2008-03-28/bay-area/17167985_1_zhou-s-family-trunk-sleeping
From your link:
She purchased the Unisom herself and they have video evidence of it, along with a note etc. Unless you can produce a video of Rebecca buying that tow rope I fail to see how you can compare these two cases.....other than the fact that the family couldn't accept the outcome. In my humble opinion.
If we are comparing odd cases, here is one:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-shot-wife-Diane-dead-pretended-suicide.html
January 19, 2004—the Fort Bend County Sheriff’s office received a tragic call: a mother, Renee Coulter, had discovered her 19-year-old daughter, Ashley Wilson, dead in her apartment. A pillow case was over her head, and the cord from her high school graduation gown was wrapped around her neck. It looked as though she’d hanged herself. But why?
Sheriff Milton Wright comes from a long line of Texas Rangers—the tough, legendary lawmen who helped tame the West. Wright had been in JFK’s motorcade the day he was assassinated in Dallas, protecting then-governor John Connally. To say he’s been around the block is an understatement. He’s pretty much seen it all.
We received a call to investigate a death. This one looked very cut and dry because of the way the whole situation played out The evidence in the apartment suggested that there had been a suicide—the way the body was positioned, the door being locked from the inside, and a note suggesting suicide.
Sheriff Wright
With this evidence and other autopsy results, the medical examiner ruled the death as a suicide.
Despite the note suggesting suicide, Renee Coulter and her husband, Dan Wilson, had difficulty agreeing with the sheriff department’s assessment. To them, the evidence just didn’t add up to the person they knew as her daughter.
As reported in the Houston Chronicle, the fact that their daughter’s television, lights, and ceiling fan were off disturbed the parents. “My daughter lived in an apartment by herself” Coulter said. “She always had the TV on, always had the ceiling fan on, and always had lights on.” Moreover, Ashley’s apartment key was missing from her key ring. “To me, that meant that somebody was there and had taken the key,” Coulter added.
To the police, the response of the parents was perfectly understandable. A family in shock and grief. Suicide is hard to accept given someone so young and with all her life ahead of her. But after getting the report from the Harris County medical examiner that it was definitely a suicide, Sheriff Wright’s office closed the case on Ashley Wilson.
Dan Leach is a 21-year-old young man who had been in a relationship with Ashley. That relationship had soured shortly before the time of her death, and some felt it was the motive for her depression and the sad letter she’d left behind.
Leach was depressed as well. He was a guy who went to a local church in the area, but he was a troubled and conflicted man.
He was also a murderer.
March 2004—Less than six weeks after Ashley’s death, The Passion of the Christ came to Richmond, a small town outside of Houston. Like most other locations around the country, the theaters were packed as a result of all the buzz about the film. A young man bought a ticket and went into the theater for an experience that would change his life forever.
Shortly thereafter, that man walked into the Fort Bend County sheriff’s office and turned himself in for the murder of Ashley Wilson.
Sheriff Wright
When a murder is planned like this, almost all the time the perpetrator overlooks one minor detail, and like a thread on a piece of cloth, the crime starts to unravel from that point.
This one looked very cut and dry because of the way the whole situation played out. Had he not come forward and confessed, this one would never have cleared.
“He was very, very meticulous,” Kubricht said. “It was very well-planned and well executed.”
On the tape, Leach said his confession was motivated in part by seeing the movie The Passion of the Christ, and he also described in exacting detail how he carried out his plan.
'I had an agenda'
Leach told police he considered Wilson, 19, to be immature and said he would be embarrassed if anyone learned he had a relationship with her. After weighing his options, he decided to kill her and stage the death to look like a suicide.
"I thought I could get away with it," he said.
He told police how he arrived at her apartment late on the night of Jan. 15 with a pair of gloves. Leach and Wilson talked for a while, and then he launched the first part of his plot, a ploy to get her to write something that could be construed as a suicide note.
"I had an agenda to try and get her to put something on paper for evidence of a suicide," he said.
Leach convinced her to write down things that were troubling her.
"She was highly uncomfortable with it," Leach said, referring to the paper that would subsequently help lead police to the suicide ruling.
Later in the confession, Leach told how he got the young woman to put a pillowcase over her head as part of a "trust exercise," in which she had to rely on senses other than sight.
'She never fought me'
In cold detail, Leach described how he was sitting behind Wilson on the bed with his legs wrapped around her upper body. After the pillowcase was over her head, he grabbed the cord from her graduation gown and wrapped it around her neck. Using his legs to keep her from fighting, he strangled her.
"I didn't want her to suffer, I wanted to asphyxiate her as quickly as possible," he told police. "She never fought me."
In testimony Thursday, jurors learned that four months before murdering Wilson, Leach was court martialed and discharged from the U.S. Air Force, after a bad break up with then-girlfriend April Watson.
Prosecutors called Watson to testify about Leach's bizarre behavior. Five months into the relationship, Watson tried to break up with Leach and told jurors, "He was very controlling -- what I ate, who I talked to. I tried to break up with him, but it was effortless. He was very persistent."
and another one:
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http://www.cbn.com/entertainment/screen/Passion_eldred_texaspassion.aspx
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4607592...er-after-viewing-passion-christ/#.ToyKpt7pdz8
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Killer-s-Passion-confession-I-was-like-a-1957898.php
http://www.click2houston.com/news/3646986/detail.html
Someone may have forced Rebecca to do some of those things. Maybe had her tied up on that chair that was turned over. Maybe carried her out to that balcony and touched her feet on the ground and then tossed her over. We will never know because the police did not investigate any other possibilities. Never considered that maybe someone wore gloves. Never considered that maybe they painted something on the door or forced her to write that odd stuff. We just will never know because LE has no interest in this case or any of the oddities of it. They just want to shut it down.
Someone may have forced Rebecca to do some of those things. Maybe had her tied up on that chair that was turned over. Maybe carried her out to that balcony and touched her feet on the ground and then tossed her over. We will never know because the police did not investigate any other possibilities. Never considered that maybe someone wore gloves. Never considered that maybe they painted something on the door or forced her to write that odd stuff. We just will never know because LE has no interest in this case or any of the oddities of it. They just want to shut it down.