Would you lie in court to save your child? CLOSED FOR REVIEW

[1tasha]

Linda and Jayla in all seriousness this is one of the best debates I've read on here. You're like WS's Cross Fire. Lots of food for thought.

 

[Mish]

I'm "shlepping" offfftobed: to bed, but I wanted to thank everyone for all the fabulous thoughts and opinions y'all have shared thus far!

Let us hope tomorrow brings truth and clarity in court as we seek justice for little Caylee!

Goodnight ALL!

-Mish:candle:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Oh Thank Goodness I'm not alone - thank you thank you thank you! Thanks for sharing your story, and yes, I can definitely see that happening! my teen doesn't have the text feature on his phone for that very reason. When he does get to use his phone, he's not allowed to delete numbers, etc. I said "try it buddy" and showed him how I can pull it up on line. I like to see who he calls and who calls him (I'm bad).

But you're right - if I'm not happy, he's certainly not gonna be!

Oh, it's gonna be a long summer

Mel

Shame too. He had a cell phone since the age of 8. One week after his 13th birthday I found a trashy innapropriate poll someone had forwarded him. he forwarded it on. I warned him when he first got texting ability ...never to text anything he wouldn't want his grandma to read. So I made him read it to her the next day, face to face. He cried and begged, I thought he may die of embarrassment.

I swear 13 is like age 2 all over again! I've decided he isn't getting that phone back. He had an iphone. I told him he could have a "jitterbug" in a year...MAYBE:floorlaugh: He said never mind It's simply more technology than a 13 year old boy can handle. imo

 

[Linda7NJ]

Just like everyone lies, everyone also judges others. Is that kid someone I want hanging around my kid? Is that someone I want to be friends with? Is that someone I'd loan money to? And on and on.

As an atheist, I get to reserve the right to judge

 

[Jack]

BBM - how often do accidents get charged as murder, with DP as a possible sentence? Isn't that the main difference between murder and manslaughter? If you believed your child was involved in a horrible accident, why not tell the God's honest truth and believe in our legal system?

IMO when someone lies it is to hide the truth, they lie to spare themselves the embarrassment of their acts or to shrug off responsibility. Not to cover up an accident. Just like they don't sit in jail for three years when a child accidentally drowns. Cindy taking the stand for ICA today hurt my heart, she should take off that picture she was wearing and give it to Jeff.

BTW I voted "No." I could not lie for any of my children. No matter what the consequences. I don't believe a parent testifying honestly will put a needle in their child's arm - the penalty is a direct cause and effect of the purp brutally murdering their grandchild. No matter happens, CA and GA are not responsible for where or how ICA ends up.

Of course you have to know I didn't mean like 'she fell into the pool and drowned so lets hide the body' type of accident. I'm talking about the 'I did something really stupid and negligent and got scared and tried to cover it up' type of accident. Exactly the type of accident that I think took Caylee Anthony's life. I think ICA did some really negligent, careless and wreckless things that resulted in the baby's death. I don't think ICA set out intending to commit murder, but did commit negligent homicide and/or aggravated child abuse. And in that case I completely understand her mother not wanted to participate in sending her to the DP. Obviously no matter what happens CA and GA wouldn't be responsible for ICA receiving the DP if she does, but their testimony could very well play a part in her not receiving the DP.

Somebody earlier put it perfectly. Your choice may not be mine and mine not yours, but we all have the freedom to own our own choice. If my child did something negligent and as a result accidently and unintentionally caused the death of someone else I would not participate in sending him to the DP, even if it meant I had to lie. Our justice system isn't perfect, and it certainly isn't always right. I believe in the DP, for those who intentionally commit violent crime. I get incredibly angry at people like Casey who play with the posibility of death so they can satisfy their own selfish wants. I just don't know that someone deserves death for anything but intentional actions. Its a fine line. Maybe I'd feel differently if someone I loved was a victim. I know I have often said that if one of my loved ones was ever killed by someone who couldn't stop texting long enough to drive I would move heaven and earth to see that justice was done...

 

[Sabrina2011]

I don't like the feeling one gets when you even have to withhold information. I am always careful when I post. The other day I was in the car (back seat) being driven by certain family members who shall remain nameless And I was telling them all about this forum and my chatroom for trial watching and that I had mentioned a couple of my family members in law enforcement and before I could spit it out it was met with "OMG YOU Did not post our names did you!!!" I said of course not! I can't even go by my real name! And even that makes me feel like I am lying!

But it is necessary for things like that. I would venture to guess there are several here that have to go by various nic names.. we can't always say who we are

 

[kelian36]

What riles me is the fact that cindy lied for 3 years. She took the stand weeks ago and had this seemingly huge honest breakdown.....and She -I thought- told the truth. bam! Today she takes the stand and lies. cindy had no remorse for lying. Again, she has no love for Caylee.

It was the most awful thing I never imagined would happen in this trial.

 

[Just Jayla]

Linda and Jayla in all seriousness this is one of the best debates I've read on here. You're like WS's Cross Fire. Lots of food for thought.

Oh no, I dont have to be Chris Matthews, do I?

 

[LinasK]

As an atheist, I get to reserve the right to judge

I'm glad, because I'm not Christian either, and I also reserve the right to judge. Just as I was going to respond to your other post about it, it disappeared! Religion does not belong on this thread.

 

[donnam]

Well, I just looked at the results of the poll and it says only 49.55% of those who voted would not lie.

Why then is everyone so incensed at Cindy's lies today? (I didn't vote but I'm definitely disgusted with her.) But it's an interesting question, isn't it?

BBM
I am probably in the minority here, but, I am not overly bothered by her alleged lies.
Listen I have 6 kids and soon to be 5 grandchildren. My one grand-daughter is the same age as Caylee. I am totally in LOVE with my grandchildren, sometimes I think I love them more then my kids! Probably is just in a different way. Anyway, I have thought about this a lot over the past 3 yrs. I KNOW I would have handled the 31 day part a lot different, as it would never have made 31 days. In fact, I probably would have beat the answer out of my daughter. I would have been in denial as to my child ever killing her own child also. Now, I stand behind my original answer here. I WOULD lie if it meant my child being put to death. I would rather see them with LWOP for purely selfish reasons, and I am not afraid to say that.

As far as God goes, I was taught that God forgives ALL our sins if we just ask and mean it. There is only one sin that is unpardonable and that is blaspheming the Holy Spirit.


Stepping off my soap box now. :truce:

As always JMO

 

[sappysoul]

As a Catholic, I reserve the right to be judged by others! LOL

:floorlaugh:

 

[Chiquita71]

A lie (also called prevarication, falsehood) is a type of deception in the form of an untruthful statement, especially with the intention to deceive others.

To lie is to state something with disregard to the truth with the intention that people will accept the statement as truth.

A liar is a person who is lying, who has previously lied, or who tends by nature to lie repeatedly - even when not necessary.

Serious lies (such as perjury, fraud, and defamation) are punishable by law.
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If everyone lies, that explains a lot about the terrible things that happen in our world. I do not lie. I can, of course, only speak for myself. And, religion has nothing to do with this, you either think lying is wrong or you do not.

:cow:

 

[Linda7NJ]

As a Catholic, I reserve the right to be judged by others! LOL

:great:I just love a good respectful debate I'm off to bed. Thank you!

I just LOVE WEBSLEUTHS and all these great people here...even when I don't agree, I still respect every one of you here.

It really is all about Justice for Caylee and I don't beleive Cindy's laughable lies are gonna do Casey a darn bit of good.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

This poll would have been a lot easier to answer if the question had been, "Would you lie in court to save your granddaughter's killer?" wouldn't it?

Thinking from this perspective, it seems like it makes Cindy's lies even more disgraceful, doesn't it?

 

[Wescott]

When it comes to whether your child might get the death penalty; anyone who says they wouldn't lie to save their child from the possibility of such a fate is lying - or doesn't have a child.

There are many of us who have children that are incarcerated and/or are on death row. We learn to accept it, deal with it and continue on with our lives. The women that I know who have children on the row, did not and/or would not lie to save their children from the death penalty.

 

[Jack]

If everyone lies, that explains a lot about the terrible things that happen in our world. I do not lie. I can, of course, only speak for myself. And, religion has nothing to do with this, you either think lying is wrong or you do not.

:cow:

Nobody ever said if they lied for their child it would be right, or even the right thing to do. BTW, I'm with LindaNJ, I think everyone lies in some way, for a miriad of reasons. Lying by omission is still a lie.

 

[PeteyGirl]

Under similar circumstances, if my daughter was found to be guilty of first degree murder of my grandchild, with such circumstances that the death penalty was on the table, with the kind of circumstantial evidence that the state has on Casey Anthony, NO, I would not lie to save her life.

As much as I loved that baby at my breast, if she grew up into a monster, I would consider it better she be dead than alive as she is.

This is a personal opinion, but I believe the inner life of a sociopath is a living nightmare. They may not have the emotional brain doohickeys to even feel the Hell, but it is still Hell, and worse than living in a shattered quadriplegic body or in a vegetative state.

My love for my child might mean cooperating in extinguishing her life, but that's just how I personally respond. I completely understand the point of view of the Anthony's and anyone who shares the choice they appear to be making.

I think I could see the truth through my love. I pray to God or the Universe or Whatever that no one has to make this choice.

I still voted "I don't know", just to be completely honest, because I haven't even had to come close to such a thought.

 

[Just Jayla]

Oh my, Linda...if a boy Anthony Weiner'ed my 13 year old daughter and she lied about it, the boy would have splainin to do to the police and she would be wearing a chastity belt until she was 30.
As it is, I have to monitor her Facebook through my e-mail 'cause these kids can get buckwild. If my daughter ever wrote something vulgar, not only would the computer be sold so I could buy a new pair of pumps, but she would be over at the recipients house repeating to his parents what she wrote and apologizig.
And there you have it, the difference between me and you, and Cindy-a woman who might as well have thought KC was pregnant via emaculate conception-we actually discipline our children.

 

[donnam]

A lot of people seem to want to excuse mothers who lie to save their child from the DP. So when that lie results in a person being freed and they go on to harm someone you care about would you be so quick to forgive?

they wouldn't ever be free since the other option is LWOP.

 

[Kimster]

Ye all shall not discuss religion on this thread hitherto.

(That's the King James version of "no more religious talk")