WV - NEAL FALLS, suspected SK - LE seeking link to murders in IL, NV and OR

[trexian]

Neal did work for a national security guard company after the Hoover Dam. The companies name was Wackenhut Security at the time, but I believe they operate under a different name now.

G4S Secure Solutions.

By the way, their site lists a job opening as a Security Flex Officer/Security Guard in... Charleston, WV.

Similar posting for Ft. Worth (Benbrook is near there) is set to expire Aug. 10.

Probably a total coincidence.

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[waltzingmatilda]

I'll ask about his height and weight.

He apparently had dentures for both his top and bottom set of teeth, but was only known to wear his top set of dentures.

Ah, that explains the indentation under his bottom lip then. I used to work for a dentist and the top teeth have a suction to the roof of the mouth where as the bottom ones do not, therefore thay aren't really stable, even with the denture glue. NMF seems awfully young for dentures during the 2000-2008 time frame. He would have been 30-38 years old. I wonder how he lost his teeth?

 

[1doctor]

G4S Secure Solutions.

By the way, their site lists a job opening as a Security Flex Officer/Security Guard in... Charleston, WV.

Similar posting for Ft. Worth (Benbrook is near there) is set to expire Aug. 10.

Probably a total coincidence.

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Well as they say, "There are no coincidences in law enforcement"

This may be a very good reason why NF was in these areas at the time...

 

[trexian]

Ah, that explains the indentation under his bottom lip then. I used to work for a dentist and the top teeth have a suction to the roof of the mouth where as the bottom ones do not, therefore thay aren't really stable, even with the denture glue. NMF seems awfully young for dentures during the 2000-2008 time frame. He would have been 30-38 years old. I wonder how he lost his teeth?

Playing the profiler, how f'd up would it be if abusive dad beat the stuffing out of him and knocked his teeth out, or just some of them, when he was young. Kids can be cruel, so he lashes out as he can.

Develops into full blown sociopathy/psychopathy.

Or just bad hygiene.

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[Ghostl8y]

BREAKING

I currently have a 2 sources that worked with Neal Falls who reports he told them stories about leaving to go to the Philippines on a "sex trip." He bragged about this frequently at his work at the Hoover Dam. He was also allegedly dismissed from his Hoover Dam position because he was involved in an incident with another female coworker. There are other allegations by these same individuals that he was sexually harassed and was very misogynistic towards females all the time. Apparently he didn't have very many friends in Henderson, either, because these individuals state that everyone disliked him and were all suspicious of him. One individual also claims he carried unregistered weapons in his trunk, and she reported him to a supervisor but nothing came of it.


I'll have more details later, but I have confirmed these individuals worked at the Hoover Dam at the same time NF did.


This is huge, if all true.

The weapons were reported to a supervisor at Hoover Dam? Or another place he'd worked? Because that's a pretty serious deal......weapons at the Hoover Dam? Hello hundreds/thousands of tourists? That in and of itself should warrant an investigation at the Dam!!

 

[waltzingmatilda]

The weapons were reported to a supervisor at Hoover Dam? Or another place he'd worked? Because that's a pretty serious deal......weapons at the Hoover Dam? Hello hundreds/thousands of tourists? That in and of itself should warrant an investigation at the Dam!!

Agreed! And the company providing security for the dam.

 

[trexian]

After 9/11, Hoover Dam was commonly recognized as a potential terrorist target. There was probably a wink and nod arrangement that the unarmed guards could discretely keep weapons in their car or otherwise out of sight.

That is total speculation on my part.

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[1doctor]

The weapons were reported to a supervisor at Hoover Dam? Or another place he'd worked? Because that's a pretty serious deal......weapons at the Hoover Dam? Hello hundreds/thousands of tourists? That in and of itself should warrant an investigation at the Dam!!

I'm not sure whether it was to a supervisor or not, but the individual worked with NF and told other coworkers about his carrying of unregistered firearms. I could not ascertain whether this was a supervisor the person told or not, but I just asked them the question and hopefully can get a good followup.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

After 9/11, Hoover Dam was commonly recognized as a potential terrorist target. There was probably a wink and nod arrangement that the unarmed guards could discretely keep weapons in their car or otherwise out of sight.

That is total speculation on my part.

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Yeah, the don't ask don't tell policy. haha! We drove from the east coast to Vegas in 2008 and there were flashing roadside signs saying to expect delays and vehicle searches at Hoover Dam. Our car was packed with our stuff and daughter's wedding dress and other wedding goodies so we passed it by due to time constraints. It would have been cool to see it though.

 

[Sutton]

[EDIT] ...Here is another story that 2 individuals who worked with NF both corroborate on. They said Neal openly bragged and was proud about this story:

"So the story goes he spent a long time earning the trust of this deer, trying to get it to eat from his hand. Eventually it started to trust him. And would eat right from his hand. And one day Neal just stabbed it in it's neck and killed it."

RSBM. After serial killers are caught (I'm thinking Dennis Radar, Gary Ridgway, Ted Bundy), people always say how "normal" they seemed.

If I ever heard a story like the one detailed by 1doctor--whether it was true or not--I'd get the frick away from the person involved as fast as I could. I would never work with or be in proximity to that individual. That is sick and creepy (and sad).

I guess there are other types of serial killers though. You don't hear people saying how nice and normal Richard Ramirez or Ed Gein were, do you? So maybe NF would have been in the later category...?

 

[Marie A]

No problem, of course. I hope the death of NMF will result in closure for families who have suffered terrible tragedies.

But, I feel compelled to point out that the desired result may not come to fruition. DNA, for instance, seems like a remote possibility of a match. Think of it this way - let's assume DNA is available in most of these missing person cases. If they already had DNA that matched across cases, even if the donor were unknown, they could still say that the cases were linked. That way, finding a single donor could connect several cases.

Yet, that does not appear to be the case. So, either the cases do not have donor DNA, or there is donor DNA, but not from a single donor. Even if NMF's DNA matches 1 or 2 cases, it seems unlikely that it would match very many. Otherwise, they'd already be saying those cases are all linked.

(I feel like I'm not expressing that thought as clearly as I'm thinking it. Apologies if that's confusing.)

If that's the situation, it may be a matter of linking cases by an MO that is ubiquitous. If that's the case, then some cases will be attributed to NMF that probably shouldn't, or families never get closure and just have another cause to wonder. Either way, that sucks.

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer.

(Apologies to any Debbies in the crowd.)

I think that there is most likely DNA from NF crimes that has not been tested yet.
Because of the high cost of DNA testing (and limited $ budget of many police departments) crime samples may be kept untested (like all the thousands of rape kits) until there is a possible link or a detective has specifically chosen to test particular evidence.
I think that this is being done now to some extent by the FBI which has a bigger budget and more resources.
It will take a while to test, reconfirm and put all the puzzle pieces together but I am EXTREMELY OPTIMISTIC that they will find many of NF's victims. I would urge anyone who personally knew one of the victims to call detectives and ask about specific evidence and ask for DNA testing. I'm speculating based on what a cold case/ crime detective told me once. Praying that one day soon it will be a lot cheaper and more routine to test all crime DNA/ rape kits and etc.

 

[Marie A]

Anyone who knew one of NF's POSSIBLE victims* should communicate with case detectives and/or FBI agents and encourage testing of any possible evidence that may not have been tested yet but may be sitting in "evidence."

 

[Sutton]

As requested, here's side-by-side pictures NF and the MN suspect composite...

...I also feel it's a stretch to match NF photo with the composite.

RSBM. I have not heard anything placing NF in or near upper MI. Has anyone else? At first, I agreed that the composite of the Jessica Heeringa suspect and the pic of NF were not similar. The composite doesn't even look like a real person. But as poster marble noted, composites often look like caricatures. The more I look at the individual features of each picture, the more similarities I see--in the jaw line, the chin and under the mouth, the throat, eyes, nose, maybe in the brows (those are just so odd in the drawing), and the lips.

Odd that NF wore full dentures. The only younger people I've known who wore dentures had very serious past or present cocaine, crack cocaine, or prescription pill (hydrocodone, oxycodone or carisoprodol (muscle relaxer)) problems. We all know about meth mouth, but I haven't been around many meth addicts. I wonder if NF used drugs.

Maybe he just had poor genetics or hygiene or past oral trauma.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...eason they are holding that timeline hostage?

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Here's a quote from an individual who worked with NF at the Hoover Dam:

"When he worked at the hoover dam he worked on the AZ checkpoint (he was banned from working nevada because of his teeth and demeanor with the public) he used to show up hours early for work and drive out towards kingman/dolen springs then show up ready for work, sometimes he'd go into az on his days off also ... He also took a trip to the philippines I heard, I know he was talking to women there online"

I wonder if there is anything hidden out in Dolen Springs.

Picking up on what nerosleuth has noted previously as to a pattern of casinos, Laughlin, NV is not too far off the beaten path from Kingman. That is a casino town.

Also, per maps, Dolen Springs is surrounded by a wilderness area and is on the path straight up 93 towards the dam. It would not surprise me AT ALL if he has a hidden camp up there. But again, a timeline would help. If he hasn't been in that area since 2008 (which we don't know for sure), an older camp would be harder to find.

I am also wondering if LE should be looking for storage units across the country rather than camps. Not that I think there will be a lot of them, but there may be at least one. I would think that it would either be located centrally or in a place where he feels comfortable. Question is, what would be "central". That depends on the timeline and the map. Knowing nothing else, IMO central could be geographical, like Kansas or Texas, or it could be the center of a radias where he has most recently been and that depends heavily on the facts that LE has not shared with us. Need to go back to neurosleuth's radias map if we just go by recent activity and assume that he is tied to the recent Niagara Falls activity. I wish I was better with maps. I can't even open the map that you all have been using!

I am also not convinced the dog is in WVA if he was doing the dirty deed there, I'd think he'd put some geographical distance between that site and home base, probably toward the center of the radius, and yes I think dog may be in or near the storage unit if there is one. And it's probably a remote storage unit if he actually had the dog in one.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Well as they say, "There are no coincidences in law enforcement"

This may be a very good reason why NF was in these areas at the time...

My radius may have just shifted to between Texas and West Virginia.

Also wondering if he had another car where he kept the dog, could have flown and got other car? I wonder if LE has run his name through the airlines. Israel Keyes would fly sometimes and rent vehicles if I recall correctly.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Looking at maps, right now my center point ranges from Memphis to the hills of Kentucky. Center depending on whether you are going from Benbrook TX to Niagara Falls, NY or from Benbrook, TX to Charleston, WVA.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

These directions from Benbrook, TX to charleston , WVA bother me because they require him to take the Bardstown exit onto the Bluegrass Parkway. There is currently a woman missing from Bardstown off the Bluegrass Parkway. I have to go back and check dates. The missing woman has a thread here at WS. I KIND OF HAVE TO WONDER IF THIS GUY PULLED WOMEN OVER ON THE HIGHWAY WITH A SECURITY BADGE AND PORTABLE LIGHT. YA KNOW, THE DEER AND THE WHOLE TRUST FACTOR, ALA TED BUNDY.

http://www.mapquest.com/#e39732b8d561b6efd9bcca19

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Crystal Rogers of Bardstown went missing the evening of July 3rd, they believe. Timeline is sketchy due to suspicions re the boyfriend. She had showed a rental unit to someone earlier in the evening but was supposedly seen after that point and went back out again. IIRC.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Storage units map Kentucky

https://www.google.com/maps/search/Storage+Units+kentucky/@38.1233992,-83.9209467,10z?hl=en