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The simplest explanation is that they died in the fire. As everyone else does, I find the lack of remains a big obstacle. I do believe it's unlikely for there to be no remains. Does anyone have any thoughts about alternatives to what could have happened to the remains? Could they have been there and just missed? Could they have been removed?

I've been trying to rack my brain about a scenario in which, given the apparent corruption/incompetence of the authorities, a bunch of remains were removed from the scene without George knowing.

Is there potentially a medical school market for human skeletons? It's a reach out of nowhere, but a scenario in which the children die in the fire, but their remains are removed, is the cleanest explanation of the whole thing. If the fire chief stole the skeletons, sold them on the black market, he would then also have extreme reason to impede the investigation at all points, to help hid his crime.

But I really have no idea whether there was even a black market for such things for medical schools in the 1940s. 100 years earlier, sure. But in 1945? That seems out there.
 
I think there might have been enough of a combination of factors at play to result in the non-discovery of remains. The fire was unusually long -- it burned itself out and simmered for hours and hours. It may well have been unusually hot -- there was apparently a coal supply in the basement, as was common at houses of the day. As Mr. Sodder delivered coal for a living, so it's only reasonable to assume that his family's coal pile was probably healthy (if not very large). This would provide a sustained source of high temperature fuel for the fire to keep going, underneath the rubble. The officials who finally did mosey over and do an inspection were of questionable competence -- it's not unlikely that they would miss remains that had been cremated way more than other victims of house fires.
 
I think there might have been enough of a combination of factors at play to result in the non-discovery of remains. The fire was unusually long -- it burned itself out and simmered for hours and hours. It may well have been unusually hot -- there was apparently a coal supply in the basement, as was common at houses of the day. As Mr. Sodder delivered coal for a living, so it's only reasonable to assume that his family's coal pile was probably healthy (if not very large). This would provide a sustained source of high temperature fuel for the fire to keep going, underneath the rubble. The officials who finally did mosey over and do an inspection were of questionable competence -- it's not unlikely that they would miss remains that had been cremated way more than other victims of house fires.

Good point. The whole "investigation" was pretty much a non-investigation anyway, right? Could they have been cremated? Could them have just been missed? I mean, after the initial "investigation" all other quests to find the remains were instigated by George...and let's face it, he didn't WANT to find remains...that's just human nature.

And I'm not saying this happened...but you have to consider the possibility of a hoax. It's happened countless times when people claim to have had something happen to them, whether for money, for publicity, or just to give themselves a feeling of meaning. Maybe the bones were found by George, and hidden. Maybe even his wife didn't know, and it was to protect her. It's a very traumatic event...and people react in odd ways.
 
The simplest explanation is that they died in the fire. As everyone else does, I find the lack of remains a big obstacle. I do believe it's unlikely for there to be no remains. Does anyone have any thoughts about alternatives to what could have happened to the remains? Could they have been there and just missed? Could they have been removed?
I completely agree with your previous post. Earlier in this thread I posted that the entire Mussolini angle was just something that sounded good to some people but made no logical sense. I also agree that it is possible that the fire was deliberately set by mafia or other organized crime. But there is absolutely nothing to indicate that the kids were taken away from the fire alive.

Check out this blog: http://www.echonyc.com/~horn/stacy/?p=80

It is by a writer who researched this and also interviewed professional fire fighters. One thing sheshe mentioned is that the fire burned for the entire night. That means there was time not only for the bodies to burn but for the second floor to collapse into the basement and lots of debris fall on top of any remains. The investigator commented: "When the fire department did finally appear it was still hot and they had to water the site down before conducting their search. Further, two hours is not even close to a thorough search. Today the search would take days and possibly weeks."
 
I completely agree with your previous post. Earlier in this thread I posted that the entire Mussolini angle was just something that sounded good to some people but made no logical sense. I also agree that it is possible that the fire was deliberately set by mafia or other organized crime. But there is absolutely nothing to indicate that the kids were taken away from the fire alive.

Check out this blog: http://www.echonyc.com/~horn/stacy/?p=80

It is by a writer who researched this and also interviewed professional fire fighters. One thing sheshe mentioned is that the fire burned for the entire night. That means there was time not only for the bodies to burn but for the second floor to collapse into the basement and lots of debris fall on top of any remains. The investigator commented: "When the fire department did finally appear it was still hot and they had to water the site down before conducting their search. Further, two hours is not even close to a thorough search. Today the search would take days and possibly weeks."

Thanks for the link. While we'll never know the exact answer, that's the only one that remotely fits into a realistic, "these things actually happen" scenario.

Kids died in the fire. Negligent investigation by the authorities because of incompetence, and "hey, we know what happened so no reason to miss lunch on top of it." Family that doesn't want to accept the pain of the truth. A bunch of people insinuating themselves into the story by having "information".

Let's face it, the only thing truly extraordinary about this is that George Sodder put up a billboard, otherwise nobody would know about it. It's an incredibly tragic story, but I'm satisfied that this is a reasonable explanation of what happened.
 
Thanks for the link. While we'll never know the exact answer, that's the only one that remotely fits into a realistic, "these things actually happen" scenario.

Kids died in the fire. Negligent investigation by the authorities because of incompetence, and "hey, we know what happened so no reason to miss lunch on top of it." Family that doesn't want to accept the pain of the truth. A bunch of people insinuating themselves into the story by having "information".

Let's face it, the only thing truly extraordinary about this is that George Sodder put up a billboard, otherwise nobody would know about it. It's an incredibly tragic story, but I'm satisfied that this is a reasonable explanation of what happened.


i agree with you and we could prove it by having a thorough excavation of the site. either there are human remains at the site or there aren't. it's pointless to debate who did what fifty years ago as far as excavations and investigations but the whole thing could be resolved by having a competent team forensically analyze the site of the fire and publish the results of their findings.
 
In actuality, regardless of what others have said, the fire did not burn all night. It may have smoldered but the fuel was gone within 40 minutes. also, even if it did burn all night, it matters as to what was burning, wood, paper, coal, etc. that is what determines the heat of the fire, not how long it burns. and it matters as to where the bodies were in connection to where the combustibles were, if any were present. Also, in terms of the heat of the fire and relating this to a cremation, as many have tried to do, a cremation takes place in an enclosed container so that all the heat from the source, coal, gas, etc is held in the container. In the case of the Sodder fire, the heat from the fire was directed straight up into the cold night air, and the temperature that night was said to be near zero degrees. the first law of thermodynamics states that heat transfer is from a hot source to a cold one. that is what happened that night. the heat rose from the basement, trying to heat the night air, not what remained in the pit. that is why nearly everyone believes the fire was not hot enough to turn the bones of five children to ashes.

As to the Mafia link, there was a STRONG mafia presence in Fayetteville, and in this part of Fayette County. Not as much today. but it was a different kind that what one may be used to hearing about. one item of interest that I recently uncovered was that sometime before the fire, George Sodder received in the mail, a "Black Hand". if that is not indicative of the mafia, please tell me what is.
 
Also, in terms of an excavation of the site, I was recently at the sight and the owner of the property had built a blacktop road OVER where the house once stood. I've attached a picture
 

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Also, in terms of an excavation of the site, I was recently at the sight and the owner of the property had built a blacktop road OVER where the house once stood. I've attached a picture

just finished reading everything. ^^ that is kind of odd to me since jonathan had permission to dig several years ago(but i think sylvie thought it wasnt necessary due to the previous searches) i have no idea what my opinion is on this. i think its crazy 5 kids didnt make it out, or were kidnapped. in either case thats a lot. all the incidences before and after are odd too. But ill admit that after something tragic happens you seem to look into events more. stuff you would(and did) gloss over before are now out of place. i dont think the 5 ever made it upstairs to bed. 1) 5 kids going upstairs(wooden stairs) is loud. heck, 2 are loud. we have carpet and ONE is loud if im trying to sleep. So whether the girls bedroom is in the front or back either the 5 had to go through the room the other 2 were asleep in to get to bed(and i doubt it that all kids would walk by their brothers, especially one just back from the war, and not say something, hug them/him, etc. Mine like to wake eachother up to say 'goodnight' and 3 are in that age range) OR the 2 brothers had to walk right by the other 5 to get downstairs....and since John recanted his statement that he tried to wake them I dont think that was the case. And as close as siblings were back then i cant imagine if mom was downstairs screaming for them that they wouldnt have the thought to wake or grab the others IF they were there. If they assumed they were still downstairs though they wouldnt have looked for them. Why would John say he tried to wake them if he didnt? Beacuse he was the OLDEST. The protector. It was his job to take care of the younger kids. Can you imagine the weight on him? His parents ask if they were up there and he immediately says of course they were and he tried to wake them, because anything less he failed. (im not saying thats my opinion but thats how siblings work lol) Either he failed to wake/save them. Or he failed to keep them safe(as in in the house and out of harms way). Which would make sense that he didnt want to look for them. Maybe he felt they would blame him. He comes back from the war after however long and THEN something happens, not to one of them but to FIVE. My mom lost two brothers, one as a child one as an adult. The oldest brother blamed himself both times. And this was in the 70's and on. Not earlier when family ties were possibly stronger. He still blames himself. (And both died of medical reasons, one had leukemia and the other caught an infection in the hospital that went undetected and got out of control) There was NOTHING he could have done. Maybe John felt he could have/should have saved them from either fate?
The fire marshal was weird. Extremely. Now the war was just over so there was still a shortage of able bodied young men. Maybe thats why someone clearly inept was in that position?? Ethics and possible mafia ties aside, he seemed to lack the ability to communicate with others. His choices were not normal. He just appeared to not be a people person, maybe like a touch of aspergers, no social graces. There are conflicting stories on the reason the father dumped dirt on the location of the fire. The fire marshall says he told him to leave the area alone, but i swear i read somewhere that the father said the FM told him to cover it up and make a memorial for the children there? (which is what he did with the flowers). And i would think this action would preserve the site somehow. The soot and charred whatever wouldnt be washed away or carried off by animals, right?
News traveled slower back then. Evidenced by the fact that the inkeeper in wherever reported seeing the children years later(6 right) she saw the picture SIX years later and reported it. In the meantime i bet she mentioned it to close friends, someone. Why make up something like that six years after the fact? It doesnt really help anyone. Its not like now where a kid is missing and an amber alert issued and everyone within a 3 state radius gets a cell phone alert. (or does that just happen here?) I totally get then hearing false leads, everyone is looking out for a certain car of kid. LE can react, but 6 years later theres not really the urgency(except for the family). The sheer number of sightings reported make me think that the children survived. At least the fire.
Children are risilient (spelling). They adapt, they recover quickly. I can totally see the younger ones being able to adjust to new lives and families, and being happy and loved. I do think if they were taken that it was unplanned. I would like to believe that they were taken to keep the arsonist from being ID'd, not because that was part of the plan or someone planned to harm them. The mental hospital thing is creepy but plausible(but i pray was not the case. Ive heard horror stories about that place). I think most at least survived. Lived happily. I believe the parents were right and those pictures were Louis and Betty. I know my children when i see them in pictures. Now they've never been missing so i do watch them grow up, but a mom knows.
FIL's family lived(a lot still do) nearby. Not super close but within an hours drive. We arent close to them but i would be super interested to know if they have ever heard of this. They are all coal miners so i bet they have. I wonder what their opinions are?
....heads off to put smoke detectors, fire escape ladders and fire extinguishers in EVERY room
I have more thoughts, but ive temporarily misplaced them.
 
I've read the previous 3 threads of this case and skimmed this one, and I still have no idea what could have happened to the 5 children...so very sad.
IMO though, the kids didn't die in the fire. I believe they were kidnapped and were given new identities. The reason these children never made any attempts to contact their parents is because the kidnapper(s) told the kids their parents had died in the fire. If they believed they had died, they would have had no reason to contact them.

In my searches that I have done, I believe I have found FB's of two of the Sodders' grandchildren. Not that it will help us solve this decades long mystery...
 
I've read the previous 3 threads of this case and skimmed this one, and I still have no idea what could have happened to the 5 children...so very sad.
IMO though, the kids didn't die in the fire. I believe they were kidnapped and were given new identities. The reason these children never made any attempts to contact their parents is because the kidnapper(s) told the kids their parents had died in the fire. If they believed they had died, they would have had no reason to contact them.

In my searches that I have done, I believe I have found FB's of two of the Sodders' grandchildren. Not that it will help us solve this decades long mystery...

Hi IlovePierre,
What may I ask makes you feel you have found Sodder grandchildren?
I too believe they were taken... A huge coverup

Thanks!
 
Hi IlovePierre,
What may I ask makes you feel you have found Sodder grandchildren?
I too believe they were taken... A huge coverup

Thanks!

Two of them used to post here and I searched them up on FB.
Both of them have posted pictures of their relatives on the Sodder side. One posted a picture of Joe Sodder and the other posted a picture of their mother (Sylvia). By comparing those images to images and news articles posted about the Sodders, I came to the conclusion that both of the FB's I found belong to two Sodder grandchildren.
 
Hi! I'm new here. A friend of mine told me about a "freaky story about a fire where five of the kids were never found" a few weeks ago, and for the last week I have been rather obsessively reading all I can find about them. I think I've read every thread relating to them on here, plus Stacy's article and the Smithsonian article (which was what I found first, after googling "house burns down children disappear"). I am shaken and very moved by the whole thing. I do not have any concrete theories about what really happened (aside from being pretty sure the kids were not in the house when the fire took place) but whatever happened is deeply moving. I'm tremendously interested to continue following this discussion even though I will probably not have much to contribute, since I don't live in the area or know anyone who might know anything. Granddaughter, Sylvia, Jonathan - I pray that you will find the answers!
 
...one item of interest that I recently uncovered was that sometime before the fire, George Sodder received in the mail, a "Black Hand". if that is not indicative of the mafia, please tell me what is.
RSBM. What, pray tell, is a Black Hand??
 
Sutton asked
What, pray tell, is a Black Hand??
Just someone’s attempt at making as many Italian stereotype as possible. See here for more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hand_(extortion)

Problem with the organized crime theory is that
- The “kidnapping” as described here does not match the usual MO of organized crime
- Had they been actually kidnapped, several of the kids were old enough that they could have eventually found their way back home or contacted family
I highly doubt that that any international organized crime figures were involved in a kidnapping. There is the possibility of local organized crime being involved in the fire, but I don’ believe the kids survived the fire.
 
In actuality, regardless of what others have said, the fire did not burn all night. It may have smoldered but the fuel was gone within 40 minutes. also, even if it did burn all night, it matters as to what was burning, wood, paper, coal, etc. that is what determines the heat of the fire, not how long it burns. and it matters as to where the bodies were in connection to where the combustibles were, if any were present. Also, in terms of the heat of the fire and relating this to a cremation, as many have tried to do, a cremation takes place in an enclosed container so that all the heat from the source, coal, gas, etc is held in the container. In the case of the Sodder fire, the heat from the fire was directed straight up into the cold night air, and the temperature that night was said to be near zero degrees. the first law of thermodynamics states that heat transfer is from a hot source to a cold one. that is what happened that night. the heat rose from the basement, trying to heat the night air, not what remained in the pit. that is why nearly everyone believes the fire was not hot enough to turn the bones of five children to ashes. .
I am not sure how long the building burned since I was not there, but from the sister’s account mentioned in the media thread, the fire department was called at 2 am but didn’t arrive until 8 am. That’s 6 hours – much longer than most single-house fires are allowed to burn today. I also have read that the building collapsed on itself. The most logical explanation for all this is that the kids’ remains were underneath all the rubble. Using your logic, the rubble from the house would then trap the heat and allow the fire to burn.

As to the Mafia link, there was a STRONG mafia presence in Fayetteville, and in this part of Fayette County. Not as much today. but it was a different kind that what one may be used to hearing about. one item of interest that I recently uncovered was that sometime before the fire, George Sodder received in the mail, a "Black Hand". if that is not indicative of the mafia, please tell me what is
If this really happened, why would it need to be “uncovered”? Sodder was posting billboards about his kids. I am sure he would have mentioned it.

What strikes me most about this fire is that immediately after, no one was accusing the Mafia or any organized crime of anything. And the father bulldozed the scene a week after the fire. Had he not, a thorough excavation of the site might have been done and they may have found the remains of the family. Maybe they didn't burn completely but were just trapped under the rubble.
 
Does anyone know if the Sodder children's photos can be age enhanced or have they been? If the dad saw a pic in a newpaper in NY and thought it was his child perhaps it is. I live in NY and who knows if one can be found maybe the others can too.
 
Forensic science back then was nowhere near what it is today. If the fire was hot enough to cremate bodies, as stated in the Smithsonian article, it is just possible the remains were never found.
 
Forensic science back then was nowhere near what it is today. If the fire was hot enough to cremate bodies, as stated in the Smithsonian article, it is just possible the remains were never found.
I agree with you. I've read quite a bit about this case online. It is fairly clear that the children all died in the fire. It may not even be accurate that no remains were found. Several witnesses reported seeing some remains the next morning. The idea that the children survived the fire can be chalked up to the parents' being in denial.
 
Hi all. Okay, where do I start? First post.

I have been reading into the Sodder family tragedy for a little while now, trying to take in all the information, evidence and lack thereof, witness testimonies, conspiracies, etc.

PLEASE READ THIS ENTIRE POST IN FULL. I would love to know your thoughts on my theories. I think they are definitely worth thinking about.

Firstly, I must admit that I am not an expert in this matter and am far from educated in all the pieces so far of the Sodder family tragedy. What I have composed below is simply a theory based on the information I am aware of, the theories already put forth, and my formal education in security, terrorism, and counter-terrorism.

Secondly, my theory may not be pleasing to everyone and I would probably advise that the family members who are members of this forum do not read my post below as I strongly do not want to offend you. Please note I have no intention of offending anyone. This particular case has me ever so intrigued and pieces of this puzzle make sense to me, again, based on the information already in existence. I, personally, have no evidence myself. This, again, is nothing more than my theory.

I do not know how to compose my theory, so I have opted for bullet points. I apologise in advance if any of it is not clear, and I apologise if I have got anything wrong.

I will firstly list the information that I am aware of, that has relevance to my theory. If my knowledge of the information is incorrect, I apologise.
• I am of the understanding that one of the Sodder son’s was active in the military?
• I believe that the Sodder parents were Italian immigrants?
• I understand that Papa Sodder was an outspoken critic of Mussolini in the American Italian community?
• I understand that a woman claims to have seen 4 of the 5 Sodder children in the company of Italian-speaking men supposedly some time after the fire events? Was this in Florida?
• I understand that a private detective was sent to look for the children, but disappeared?
• I understand that Papa Sodder received a Black Hand letter?
• I understand that a shifty insurance salesman threatened the family, and had ties with the coroner?
• I understand there were delays with the fire department attending and the credibility of their findings and reports afterwards?
• There were little to no human remains found?
• Phone wires were cut, a ladder was stolen and the thief arrested, a prank phone call was made, and a man in a car was watching the children prior to the events of that night?
• A photo supposedly of the 9 year old son was sent some 20 years late with information on the back? From Kentucky?
• A letter revealing that the oldest missing daughter was in a covenant?
• The youngest missing daughter was supposedly seen in a ballet dance photo?

I am not sure if I have missed anything else that is important to my theory, but here goes. Please note that it may be all over the place, not in chronological order.

I believe that the children were the victims of a kidnapping ploy from the Italian mafia, and I will explain as best as I can as to why I believe this. My knowledge of the mafia and associated groups is acquired from my professional studies in security and terrorism, and my own research.
• The children were ‘taken’ in 1945. During this era, we are all well aware that the Italian mafia had a significant foothold and powerful influence in the American community. By 1945, even prior, the Italian mafia had spread to all parts of America, especially Florida, not just in NY, NJ, Chicago and the like. West Virginia, the home of the Sodder family, had a mafia crime gang operating.
• The majority of American-Italian mobsters were supporters, and even financiers, of the American war efforts against the Axis powers, however, there were a number of key underworld folk who openly supported their Italian brothers.
• There were, obviously, numerous American Italian underworld individuals and families who had ties to the old countrymen, the Sicilian Mafia.
• The Black Hand representation can mean two things. One, is a sign within the Italian underworld and the community to mean extortion. Two, it is a name given to the N’drangheta or Calabrese mafia; a crime empire that is often seen as more vile, vicious and daring, yet more unorganised than the Sicilian mafia. The two differing mafia heritages have been in competition with each other, although I am not sure if they were during the 40’s.
• There is reason to believe that the mafia clan operating in West Virginia were either called the Black Hand, or used the symbol against local Italian communities to extort money.
• In Italy, Mussolini had attempted to erase the Sicilian mafia and the Camorra – a mafia-like underworld crime structure seen in mainland Italy. However, from my research, Mussolini did not directly target the N’drangheta and may even had financial support from them, or financially supported them, or had them support his troops as Calabria was an Italian military stronghold and subsequently a main target of the Allied invasion of Italy.
• The photo sent to the Sodder family had a letter and number on it A90132 or A90135. Your investigations have led me to believe this is a postcode in Palermo, Sicily – a mafia stronghold.
• The prime Sicilian mafia kingpin in the 1940’s, I think was Michele Navarra, who had ties to the American Italian mafia, although I am not sure which crime family.

So, my theory spans in three directions…
• Papa Sodder was in the coal business right? What was his positon? What was his financial position during this time?
• Prior to the events of the fire, it is said that an insurance broker threatened Papa Sodder saying his house would burn because he wouldn’t sign an insurance policy with them. Is there reason to believe that maybe Papa Sodder was threatened with extortion from the Black Hand, and lied about the intimidator being an insurance broker to cover any involvement with the mafia community?

• Direction 1 – Papa Sodder was an outspoken critic of Mussolini in the Italian community of America. Perhaps word got back to Mussolini supporters that Sodder’s son was in the American military and Papa Sodder hated Mussolini. A Calabrese mafia figure may have lost family in the war at the hands of American troops and sought revenge on the Sodder family. This may explain why the female who said she saw 4 of the 5 children with some Italian men, say that the men were speaking Italian and abused her verbally in Italian. Did they not speak English? Were they sent directly from Calabria in Italy? After the war ended in September, Italians were given more accessibility to come to America and visit their families there, and vice versa. These travels to and fro would have been in abundance as families rush to see if their loved ones survived.

• A phone call at night may have been to confirm whether or the not the family was home, and/or still awake.
• The phone cord was then cut in what is said a mistake and meant to cut power lines.
• The ladder was stolen and tossed nearby to hinder a recovery attempt of the upstairs area. The man who stole this was arrested but not suspected of involvement. Could he be part of the ploy? And let off by corrupt lawmen? See point below.
• The mafia have a reputation for having officials and lawmen on their side. Could they have bribed the coroners and firemen to obstruct their duties as much as possible?
• Perhaps the oldest missing son put up a fight and was in turn slain?
• The rest of the children were separated and disbursed. The son was sent to Italy, perhaps Palermo. The daughter was sent to a nun’s covenant in St Louis as suggested in that letter that the Sodder’s received, the other daughter was given or sold to a family and appeared in that ballet picture.
• Christmas eve could have been the chosen date as it would be likely that all the family would be present in the home.
• The fire starter, described as a rubber pineapple looking device, does sound like it resembles a smaller WWII napalm incendiary device. Those devices were tear-shaped shells with a set of fins on their rear. Google search “Napalm bomb WW2” to see a picture. Some of these bombs were encased in plastic like material. The chances of the mafia getting these are quite easy as they would have had contacts in the army, especially with the left over surplus since the war had ended.
• Direction 2 – Similar to direction 1, except the mafia was the local Black Hand society and tried to extort the Sodder family but were turned away. Again, the children’s fates were as described as above.
• Direction 3 – Similar again, but the mafia was an out of town group, hence why they were supposedly spotted in Florida.
• The detective who went looking, was either murdered or bribed when he got to close.
• The photo may have been sent by someone who knew what happened. Perhaps, Louis Sodder didn’t remember being kidnapped, or were told his family had died, and grew up unaware of the Sodder story, so he never thought to go home or contact anyone.
• The rest of the children were young enough to be lead to believe that their family had died, or whoever they are now with is their real family.
• The kids could have been smuggled to Italy quite easily with the abundance of American-Italian travel in the months after the war. See points above.
• The photo of Louis was apparently sent from Kentucky. If you recall, the letter claiming the daughter was in a nun’s covenant said she was in St Louis, right next to Kentucky.
• AND I HATE TO SAY THIS…but could “ilil boys” be a spelling error for “Illinois”. I mean, again, the photo was sent from Kentucky, the state next to Illinois, and again, there was a letter claiming the daughter was in a covenant in St Louis, Illinois. The photo message reads I love brother Frankie ilil boys… the grammar is not that great…could it be someone who thinks the name of the state is Illiboys instead of Illinois? Or can't spell Illinois?
• Illinois had a substantial mafia outfit in the 40’s. Capone, anyone?
• I think, regardless, Papa Sodder pissed someone off to a point where they felt it necessary to punish him by taking away his children forever. I think it rings more personal, than strictly financial. I don’t think whoever did it intended to kill them, as there were no further attempts on the Sodder family’s lives OR it is as I described in Direction 1, and those responsible were directly from Italy, and returned there quickly, failing to kill the Sodder’s in the fire.

As I said, these are just my theories based off my knowledge thus far, and my knowledge of mafia operations in Italy and abroad. The theory works and is logical if it were true.
I apologise for any mistakes and if I have offended anyone.
 

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