Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #14

[raffielle]

okay, just throwing this out there. I blew up the van picture to see if the door was infact open. Maybe? I realize it is really blurry, sorry not super great with graphics. If it was a tree the dark black patch would extend to the ground, it doesn't you can clearly see the bottom white part of the fan. It looks too wide to be the ladder, it wouldn't show up a thick black patch more thinner with white in between the black parts.

Also, just throwing this out there as it hasn't been brought up (maybe b/c it is pretty far fetched) but who is to say that if things went bad and she died that it happened outside of the van or far away from the van (where he would have to carry a body). If this is the case he could've drove with her body inside the van and dumped it anywhere along the way back to Florida. Probably not likely but this case is so bizarre anything is possible.

 

[LAhiker]

Why was there frames cut out of the video just before they got to the van?

Maybe because of the transition to slow motion?

JMO

 

[Nah]

Why was there frames cut out of the video just before they got to the van?

Could be they were having a personal discussion or something.

 

[NuttMegg]

Hi all, I have a question regarding the mustang, and I apologize if this has been asked before. I know the mustang itself has been discussed. Anyway, here is my understanding:

Tuesday: BL took a set of the Mustang's keys and told his parents he was going hiking. He took the mustang to a nature reserve.
?: Parent's hadn't heard from BL so went to the reserve to look for him. They just happened to have enough people to drive another vehicle back, happened to find the mustang fairly easily, and happened to have the keys with them
Friday: BL's parent's report him missing

I've seen a lot of debate/conversation about why BL's parents didn't report him missing until Friday, but that is something we unfortunately probably won't know until we know what happened to GP. I guess my question is do we have any idea how they spun this to the police to make sense? I mean, at the very least, lying to the police is a crime, no? I can't come up with any single reasonable explanation for how they just knew to go looking for the mustang (except that they knew he abandoned it there). Does anyone have any more information on that? Also, has it been absolutely confirmed that he took the Mustang to the reserve? I know that the public only get a small fraction of the information but this is something I've been having a lot of trouble wrapping my head around.

ETA: I'm sure at least one other person was at the reserve in the day(s) the mustang was there. Have there been any witnesses to validate it was there? I would also imagine there were cameras between his house and the reserve that they could check to see if the Mustang was actually driven there.

Good analysis. Also, IIRC one of the reporters said that there was no mustang in the driveway when he left on Tuesday night (not sure of the hour), but the mustang was in the driveway when he got there early Wednesday. So if they went to pick it up, it had to be before Wednesday morning. After that, they couldn't say he drove off with it, to keep their story straight. Let me know if I am remembering this wrong!

 

[bammab]

I completely agree with Gabby's mother regarding the timeline of the Tiktok video. It does not fit with everything else we know about the couple's timeline. It's interesting, but it doesn't fit.

"Gabby’s mother told MailOnline that she is 'not entertaining' a TikTok video that’s been widely circulated in which a young woman describes picking up a man she believed to be Brian on the 29th.

'The timeline seems way off. Maybe she thought it was him, but I just know the timeline is off. The van left there the night of the 27th or early on the 28th. The van was in Florida on the first. It’s not possible for it to have been there on the 29th.'
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Mother Gabby Petito confirms sighting of Gabby's van in Grand Teton days after she was last seen | Daily Mail Online

A 35 hour drive is almost possible twice in 72 hours time. August 30, 31, Sept 01... Plus a few hours late night August 29th if he left that night.

 

[MadMcGoo]

Could Gabby have made it back to Florida with Brian?

Then why didn't she call her parents?
Or BL's parents would have told that they are back. Something is fishy but we have no clue what.

Maybe his parent’s house (and their own) wasn’t their first stop? IDK…just something that crossed my mind.

 

[Deleted member 121463]

I agree that's odd and perhaps it's evidence police have asked them to not show?

Does seem that way. imo

 

[Jurisprudence]

This cannot be direct quoted because it is on the previous thread that is now locked. But, I believe it is important enough to address so there is no confusion.
"Alethea -I can only speak for myself but I have never lost a client. I am actually concerned about the competence of his lawyer since his lawyer is not admitted to practice law in Florida and he practices REAL ESTATE in New York. So I don't know why he feels competent to advise a client in a jurisdiction in which he is not admitted in such a serious case involving a missing person. In much less serious matters I have recommended and facilitated a client hiring a local attorney who can help on the day-to-day issues in jurisdictions where I wasn't admitted or in cases outside of my core practice areas. Being investigated for a potential homicide is not the time to cheap out and call a family friend. And it's borderline unethical for the attorney IMO."

I respectfully disagree with this. While it is true that the attorney who made the statement appears to be from NY, his website clearly indicates that he is a general practitioner who yes, does criminal work. To the magnitude of what BL got himself into? Does not appear so. But he still does have experience in some criminal matters. In a crisis (for them) they called a trusted advisor (not cheap out), and I don't see anything particularly bizarre about this. Their atty friend would be in a position best suited through his contacts to find them local counsel. With respect to not being admitted in Florida, this appears to be correct. But, we're actually dealing with Federal law here too - law I know he needed to know or he wouldn’t have passed the bar.

As far as multiple admissions go, some attys are licensed to practice in multiple jurisdictions while others are not. The Florida/New York relationship presents a unique obstacle that is not widely known, unless you are an attorney seeking to be admitted in both states at the same time over a 3-day testing span. Because of the transient nature between the states, Florida and NY each make it much more (procedurally) complicated for someone to take both bars within the same time period. 1. The exams are intentionally given on the same day (or at least they were 30 years ago) forcing attys to choose which bar to sit for. If you choose NY, you have to wait for the next Fla exam date to go back and sit for it - a pain not worth it unless you actually plan to live there. 2. There is no reciprocity between the states as there is with some others, that allows for an attorney to waive-in after 5, 10, etc. years of practice in good standing. Additionally, people should know that attorneys appear in court out of state all the time through a process known as pro hac vice admission. So, the beat down on this guy isn't exactly accurate and it kind of loses the focus of the thread, imo.

oviedo - "Could not agree with you more - our lawyers never advise outside of their practice area. Maybe the first statement was ok but as soon as he saw this case turn - and most definitely by Friday when parents called LE- he should have told them to hire a FL bar certified attorney. JMO"

This last part I certainly agree with. I fully expected him to have someone else onboard if not completely taking over by the middle of last week.

Lastly, it had always been feeling/opinion/whatever you want to call it, that his attorney’s direction to him to keep his mouth shut was strategic more than it was self-preservation. His attorney was told what happened and realized his client’s best bet was to wait for LE to go for days with no solid leads hoping they’d then come to him with a deal for her location (MOO). For as unappealing as this sounds, I still think this is where his head was. He has a duty to zealously defend his client.

That said, he still should have handed this off by mid-week because logic dictates that leaving BL sitting for days stewing with the “I’m going to prison. It doesn’t matter how short or long. I’m going and my life is over.” certainly feeds into the decision to flee.

 

[Shane00]

I think @cady had a good theory on a previous thread. I don't know how to quote from a previous thread properly, but here's a link to the post:
ACTIVE SEARCH - WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #13

• Like others, I think the TikTok poster Miranda Baker sounds credible and conscientious and disagree with Gabby's parents that the timeline is off. While of course it could've been someone else that Miranda and her boyfriend picked up, I think it was Brian and that he still would've had time to drive back to Florida. (Assuming that it was he who drove the van back to Florida).

Scenario 1: -- as @cady suggests, BL and GP and their van are at or near the Spread Creek Dispersed campsite. They argue, he kills or injures her. He then hikes (yes, hiking 10 miles is doable for many, though I don't know if it's doable for him) or hitches north to Colton Bay, showers, and then hitches south toward Jackson, wanting to pick up the van and get out of there. Some questions/comments:

• If he initially said he wanted to go to "Jackson," why did he panic and get out of the car when was it mentioned? Someone suggested that there are two roads going south, one of which is closer to the Spread Creek campground, and he realized they were on the one further west. So he didn't get out to hitch, as he said, but instead to hoof it to the campground and get out of there.
• If he wanted to build an alibi that someone else killed her, shouldn't he have reported her missing when he got back to the campground and acted distraught? Maybe he realized that wouldn't hold up?
• Like others, I wonder if the tent was found in the van. It sounds like he didn't have it on him.... Could he have mentioned camping with a tarp not only to claim to have been gone for several days but to draw attention away from the tent? Could he & GP have fought in the tent -- could he have killed her there and then disposed of the tent and her?
• This scenario or something like it may be why LE is searching at Spread Creek campsite.

Scenario 2 -- maybe BL and GP went north, to the Snake River area, with the van (or possibly without it, but hard do see why they'd do that). He then killed her and hitched south to Colton Bay, where he showered and cleaned up. Questions/comments:

• Why would he then have wanted to hitch to Jackson -- why not hitch back north? For an alibi? But if he needed an alibi, why freak out when he's actually being taken to Jackson, where he asked to go? Confusion about geography -- did he think Jackson was north of Colton Bay? (Maybe GP was the navigator to his driver, though in that case, it's odd that he made it all the way back to FL on his own.) Maybe he wanted to go south for an alibi, but then changed his mind wanted to back to the van pronto to drive back to FL?
• This scenario, or something like it, may be why an area of Yellowstone is being searched. (At least, that's what I've heard.)

Another question:

• Are there cameras at Colton Bay? Did anyone see him there? What direction did he come from? What did he look like when he got there -- what was he carrying, and did he indeed take a shower?

JMO.

Maybe he freaked out, because the crime scene is so close? Just a thought maybe IMO.

 

[dms]

Please if you are about to post “ I’m sorry but I can’t keep up ...”. You are part of the problem, for the love of God people consult the media thread and use the search function. Or just assume it’s already been posted, nothing is being missed. JMHO

Or Google.

 

[LaineyJ]

I’ve really been wondering if maybe he’d grabbed GP by the chin, arm, anything, and then pushed her. Not off a cliff, but something where a fall could seriously injure her. He could’ve pushed her just trying to push her away or on purpose, I have no idea. I was just thinking back to a newlywed case where I believe the wife pushed her new husband off a cliff (or some elevated space) and I think I heard a story about someone being pushed off a cruise ship..

I can’t even begin to guess about anything else. I have to wonder how important BL’s trip to Florida in august is. The L family are not acting normal if they have nothing to worry about

eta to fix spelling

 

[Tutter]

This is a working theory - a bit of a stretch but honestly, all information provided to date doesn’t make much sense to me when added all together in any working theory right now. Mods - please delete if not appropriate.

1) BL returned to Florida to move items out of storage to parents house
2) returned back to gabby to continue trip
3) parents decide they don’t want their stuff at house (it is a small house from what I have seen) and force GP and BL quickly back to Florida to move.
4) both GP and BL return on the 1st with the van
5) disagreement/fight with parents. (?) and something happens to both BL and GP.

Again, just a theory but this would make sense to me because:

- no one else has directly heard or seen from BL since he had allegedly returned to Florida.
- all statements have been coming from the family and not BL himself.
- the parents waiting until now to report BL missing also makes sense, as I am sure that they realized it’s only a matter or time until LE will come knocking to speak with BL and then they would get in more trouble for not reporting him missing even earlier. Right now, all the focus on “who did it” is on BL.
-it would also explain the return of the mustang, which maybe never left the house at all? (The parents do have a pick up truck from the videos I have seen)

Again, just a theory. However, no matter what scenario you are looking at, the parents most definitely know something that they are not sharing.

I actually have thought something along these lines, that the parents could have done something, maybe even to both. It would explain some things that don’t make any sense. IMO

 

[SovereignSnake]

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If he doesn’t have the phone he had on the trip with him (as seen in the bodycam vid,) I imagine he could well have got a burner phone to keep up on news of the search for him.

I would even bet Brian took Gabby's phone for part of the return trip to Florida then tossed it off a bridge in some fairly isolated location as well as his own phone. He didn't seem too attached to it, much less even owning a phone period. Especially when he initially told the officers in the body cam video that he didn't have a phone. I have suspected that Brian drove all the way back to Florida and didn't communicate with anyone and perhaps even completely surprised his parents when he walked through the door and then proceeded to tell them this big melodramatic story about Gabby leaving him, he lost his phone, other items, he had a complete meltdown and drove home. What was this I was hearing yesterday, someone saying Brian's sister saying something about this not being the first time Brian has been a flight risk in that interview she did? I can't find anything on it so I'm curious if anyone has a link or an excerpt?

 

[GussiedCanoodler]

Good analysis. Also, IIRC one of the reporters said that there was no mustang in the driveway when he left on Tuesday night (not sure of the hour), but the mustang was in the driveway when he got there early Wednesday. So if they went to pick it up, it had to be before Wednesday morning. After that, they couldn't say he drove off with it, to keep their story straight. Let me know if I am remembering this wrong!

Yes, that sounds right! I do remember that it was a reporter who stated that it was missing Tuesday night, but couldn't exactly remember when it was confirmed to be back. So, if this is the correct timeline, I can't imagine the parents could possibly pretend they made an attempt to search for him.

 

[Dawookie]

You can have a case that’s larger then what’s in it.
My partner keeps his shaving supplies in a case like this (he’s a straight razor buff).
They aren’t exclusive for any specific use

What tells me it was probably used for a gun was LEs interest in it. They didn’t go through the whole car. They went in the trunk found the case and determined it was empty. It seemed like they were specifically confirming that.
And they are wearing bullet proof vests looking for him.
1+1=2

And I've said that in my previous posts that those style cases can be used for anything. Could it be used to store a gun? Sure but it's definitely not a gun case and if your storing one pistol, there's much cheaper options than something that size. That case is wider/longer than the cases I use to transport multiple pistols when going to the range.

Them wearing vests doesnt mean that to me. Pretty much every cop I've run into wears one regardless, especially uniformed officers.

 

[MassGuy]

#BREAKING: @NorthPortPolice just told @NBC2’s @MeganMyersNews that #BrianLaundrie’s family picked up his Mustang from the Carlton Preserve on Tuesday, the same day his family says they last saw him.

ALSO, there’s a possibility Brian hurt himself in the preserve.
https://twitter.com/gagegoulding/status/1439663578949226498?s=21

 

[bellyup]

okay, just throwing this out there. I blew up the van picture to see if the door was infact open. Maybe? I realize it is really blurry, sorry not super great with graphics. If it was a tree the dark black patch would extend to the ground, it doesn't you can clearly see the bottom white part of the fan. It looks too wide to be the ladder, it wouldn't show up a thick black patch more thinner with white in between the black parts.

Also, just throwing this out there as it hasn't been brought up (maybe b/c it is pretty far fetched) but who is to say that if things went bad and she died that it happened outside of the van or far away from the van (where he would have to carry a body). If this is the case he could've drove with her body inside the van and dumped it anywhere along the way back to Florida. Probably not likely but this case is so bizarre anything is possible.

I think the common hive mind is that there was not a body in the van or evidence that there was otherwise Brian would have been charged.

 

[Satchie]

Does seem that way. imo

Actually I edited my post, and suspect they stopped to talk about the florida plates, etc.

 

[Woodberry]

It’s in the original timeline in the media thread - today I am focusing on this snippet of the timeline
Here you go

JUL 30: The couple stopped at Canyonlands National Park Mesa Arch
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AUG 10: JF met Gabby and BL near Moab, Utah where they chatted about 40 min. JF and his gf then set off on a hike to the Delicate Arch. When they got back to the parking lot, Gabby and Laundrie were gone.

snipped for focus

@oviedo Great work! You rock! I know this has been a labor of love.

I notice there is a gap in the timeline in between July 30 and August 10, do we have any idea what might have been going on during this time? I noticed there was a lot of music added to their Spotify account playlists on August 6. It would have taken a lot of time to add. Some of it was inserted into specific spots in the lists, not just added to the end.

 

[ExitMusic]

I posted Myakkahatchee Enviornmental Park was the only local place I could think of to “hike” before news of them searching there happened, so I’m going to go on a whim and make another guess that they find him deceased there, which is so very unfortunate for Gabby’s family. MOO