Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #48

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I cannot understand why he went back.

Only explanation that comes to mind, is after Gabby died he absolutely panicked, did not try to bury body....left the van there. Then after he cleaned up, began to reflect, he realized it would be difficult to hitch hike all the way home, would take days and money he did not have, so went back grabbed the van and raced home.
 
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Greetings, all. I'm new in these parts and apologize if I'm posting this in the wrong way -- or in the wrong place.

Please forgive me for piping up as a newcomer instead of just staying mum and lurking like a normal person, but I created an account expressly to make an impassioned plea for something I've found missing from much of the internet discussion and media coverage that considers Brian Laundrie's options as a fugitive.

Namely, historical precedent.

What do I mean? Pundits say that Laundrie's only option is to hide out in nature; that even there he can't survive for long; that as ‘normal’ people, neither he nor his parents can pull off a long-term-hiding scenario; that the post-9/11 world is too vigilant for Laundrie to leave the country successfully; etc.

Yet, such arguments make me think of:

Precedent #1: With less than 3 days of lead-time, Alex "Preppy Rapist" Kelly's parents managed to help him jump bail and escape from Connecticut to Europe for 7 years – all of them spent living in reasonable comfort with an assumed name and faked ID papers. Although Kelly earned income as a popular worker on the European ski resort circuit throughout the period, his parents also funneled him money -- through a system so well-constructed that neither U.S. LE nor Interpol could crack it.

But expert detective work eventually ended Kelly's 7 years on the lam, right? Nope. As you doubtless recall, LE hadn't a clue where Kelly was. He was caught only after his parents failed to destroy photos they'd recklessly made and retained after a holiday visit to Kelly overseas.

Precedent #2: Although I've sadly suspected since the outset of Brian's odyssey that his parents wittingly sent LE on a snipe hunt in Carlton Reserve -- and I feel much the same way about the De Soto Park 'lead' -- Eric "Abortion Clinic Bomber" Rudolph's 5-year fugitive sojourn in North Carolina's Blue Ridge Mountains gives some credence to the viability of an Appalachian hideout for Brian, per his much-discussed love of the AT.

Indeed, Rudolph's case proves that it is not only possible to survive in the Southern U.S.'s mountain ranges, but to do so indefinitely -- especially if one has help. And that, to me, is the only stumbling block for Brian: while anti-abortion, anti-government sympathizers fed, hid, and otherwise helped Rudolph, folks ticked off about Brian's widely-publicized "stupid Southerners" quip in a Wyoming bar in August are unlikely to roll out the red carpet.

And, as you guys doubtless know better than most, sheer serendipity played an even larger role in LE's apprehension of Rudolph than Kelly. Although LE were uncertain of Rudolph's whereabouts, one of his main protectors died unexpectedly in his 5th year as a fugitive, forcing Rudolph to venture out of the mountains for provisions. He was caught rummaging through a dumpster for food.

Finally, the post-9/11 vigilance thing? When folks say there's no way that Laundrie could make it past screeners to board a plane or cruise ship, I consider that just recently, a group of UK high school girls -- none of them older than 17, IIRC -- managed to get the requisite papers and fly from England to the Middle East to join an extremist group, despite the UK's robust pre-flight screening and the girls’ lack of documented parental consent.

So if historical precedent augurs future possibilities, then Laundrie could be gone for a very, very long time – and just might be found in surprisingly distant surroundings when/if he is found. (Just MOO.)

[ETA: Fixed age reference.]


Welcome, @LilithG. What a well thought out and detailed first post. You certainly have me thinking. Thank you for this.
 
This will be a Federal Case, because the homicide was committed on federal land. jmo
But what does this mean in regards jurisdiction? Where will the case be held. Also, if this a fed case, why was the ME not a fed (or where they)?
 
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BBM, and my observation only pertains to the bolded portion...i've wondered if his statement that they couldn't afford a hotel was made because he thought LE might just allow them to go on their way...maybe he wasn't aware that they were going to provide the room without cost...just something that occurrred to me...MOO
I thought the same too. It’s possible for sure. Someone had the money for gabby to stay in a hotel and for BL to fly home. Although, I guess that could have been with aid from the parents.
HMM. Do you think her body was initially in the van and B moved the body to its final location? B would have been better off locking the van and continuing his journey, but I suppose lack of funds prevented that and thats why he went home.

I think maybe initially as he wasn’t seen driving the van around for a period of a few days and was hitch hiking at that point.
 
Greetings, all. I'm new in these parts and apologize if I'm posting this in the wrong way -- or in the wrong place.

Please forgive me for piping up as a newcomer instead of just staying mum and lurking like a normal person, but I created an account expressly to make an impassioned plea for something I've found missing from much of the internet discussion and media coverage that considers Brian Laundrie's options as a fugitive.

Namely, historical precedent.

What do I mean? Pundits say that Laundrie's only option is to hide out in nature; that even there he can't survive for long; that as ‘normal’ people, neither he nor his parents can pull off a long-term-hiding scenario; that the post-9/11 world is too vigilant for Laundrie to leave the country successfully; etc.

Yet, such arguments make me think of:

Precedent #1: With less than 3 days of lead-time, Alex "Preppy Rapist" Kelly's parents managed to help him jump bail and escape from Connecticut to Europe for 7 years – all of them spent living in reasonable comfort with an assumed name and faked ID papers. Although Kelly earned income as a popular worker on the European ski resort circuit throughout the period, his parents also funneled him money -- through a system so well-constructed that neither U.S. LE nor Interpol could crack it.

But expert detective work eventually ended Kelly's 7 years on the lam, right? Nope. As you doubtless recall, LE hadn't a clue where Kelly was. He was caught only after his parents failed to destroy photos they'd recklessly made and retained after a holiday visit to Kelly overseas.

Precedent #2: Although I've sadly suspected since the outset of Brian's odyssey that his parents wittingly sent LE on a snipe hunt in Carlton Reserve -- and I feel much the same way about the De Soto Park 'lead' -- Eric "Abortion Clinic Bomber" Rudolph's 5-year fugitive sojourn in North Carolina's Blue Ridge Mountains gives some credence to the viability of an Appalachian hideout for Brian, per his much-discussed love of the AT.

Indeed, Rudolph's case proves that it is not only possible to survive in the Southern U.S.'s mountain ranges, but to do so indefinitely -- especially if one has help. And that, to me, is the only stumbling block for Brian: while anti-abortion, anti-government sympathizers fed, hid, and otherwise helped Rudolph, folks ticked off about Brian's widely-publicized "stupid Southerners" quip in a Wyoming bar in August are unlikely to roll out the red carpet.

And, as you guys doubtless know better than most, sheer serendipity played an even larger role in LE's apprehension of Rudolph than Kelly. Although LE were uncertain of Rudolph's whereabouts, one of his main protectors died unexpectedly in his 5th year as a fugitive, forcing Rudolph to venture out of the mountains for provisions. He was caught rummaging through a dumpster for food.

Finally, the post-9/11 vigilance thing? When folks say there's no way that Laundrie could make it past screeners to board a plane or cruise ship, I consider that just recently, a group of UK high school girls -- none of them older than 17, IIRC -- managed to get the requisite papers and fly from England to the Middle East to join an extremist group, despite the UK's robust pre-flight screening and the girls’ lack of documented parental consent.

So if historical precedent augurs future possibilities, then Laundrie could be gone for a very, very long time – and just might be found in surprisingly distant surroundings when/if he is found. (Just MOO.)

[ETA: Fixed age reference.]

@LilithG Welcome! Such a great first post with much food for thought indeed.
 
But what does this mean in regards jurisdiction? Where will the case be held. Also, it is a fed case, why was the ME not a fed (or where they)?
I believe in Federal Court in Cheyenne Wyoming, but we need a lawyer to explain better than I. Alethea???Where are you? jmo
 
Assuming he is a mostly normal and/or functioning person, traveling on with a dead body in the van seems rather beyond the pale.
That was not what I meant - sorry I was not clear. B would have been better travelling on foot/hitch hiking and leaving the body locked in the van.
 
I read here that the only shelter accommodation for female dv's there is a group type situation, while men typically go to hotels. Probably because there are way, way, way more female victims. Maybe they decided it was better for her to stay with all her belongings in her van than to put her into a group situation and leave Brian with the van. No idea if that's what happened, but it seem plausible to me.

I think that's exactly what the LEO's were trying to orchestrate, by carefully documenting 90% of what they could have, in an effort to get these two people, far from home, into a situation that would have been better than jail (they would have had to hang around Moab for quite a while when charged, and even if charges were eventually dropped against either or both, they would still have had a record of being charged (not good, for the most part - easily searchable by landlords, etc)

SO...the Moab police erred on the side of...less hassle for the young traveling couple, who was just having a bad public spat, which probably happens frequently in a tourist town. If one of them had charges, was released on bond (parents would almost surely have to help?), they'd have to hang around for a preliminary hearing, the assignment of a public defender, and then another court appearance - say, a month or more. Of living in Moab. Very hot Moab, in a van, in a place where it's hard to find a safe place to camp without advance registration.
 
He changed his mind about hitchhiking home. Was afraid a camper would find Gabby's dead body. He didn't want to be picked up by the cops on the road with his thumb sticking out.
The van offered him shelter and a speedy trip home.

Or if the police ticketed/towed the van, communications would have sped up between the police and Gabbie's parents. Manhunt probably would have started sooner.

Taking the van bought him time.
 
Hitchhiking with people, and/ or robbing them of their vehicles, money, cellphones, clothes along the way.

I agree. But then what he failed to realize about his self is that he is very lazy, coddled.
It also takes a certain amount of nerve to rob people. He doesn't have that either. He is a coward. All bullies are, bar none, and a man who beats a women is the ultimate coward.
All of this is JMO, nothing more.
 
I believe in Federal Court in Cheyenne Wyoming, but we need a lawyer to explain better than I. Alethea???Where are you? jmo
Thank you. I do not understand the difference between federal cases and state cases. If someone could explain that, I would really appreciate it!
 
Greetings, all. I'm new in these parts and apologize if I'm posting this in the wrong way -- or in the wrong place.

Please forgive me for piping up as a newcomer instead of just staying mum and lurking like a normal person, but I created an account expressly to make an impassioned plea for something I've found missing from much of the internet discussion and media coverage that considers Brian Laundrie's options as a fugitive.

Namely, historical precedent.

What do I mean? Pundits say that Laundrie's only option is to hide out in nature; that even there he can't survive for long; that as ‘normal’ people, neither he nor his parents can pull off a long-term-hiding scenario; that the post-9/11 world is too vigilant for Laundrie to leave the country successfully; etc.

Yet, such arguments make me think of:

Precedent #1: With less than 3 days of lead-time, Alex "Preppy Rapist" Kelly's parents managed to help him jump bail and escape from Connecticut to Europe for 7 years – all of them spent living in reasonable comfort with an assumed name and faked ID papers. Although Kelly earned income as a popular worker on the European ski resort circuit throughout the period, his parents also funneled him money -- through a system so well-constructed that neither U.S. LE nor Interpol could crack it.

But expert detective work eventually ended Kelly's 7 years on the lam, right? Nope. As you doubtless recall, LE hadn't a clue where Kelly was. He was caught only after his parents failed to destroy photos they'd recklessly made and retained after a holiday visit to Kelly overseas.

Precedent #2: Although I've sadly suspected since the outset of Brian's odyssey that his parents wittingly sent LE on a snipe hunt in Carlton Reserve -- and I feel much the same way about the De Soto Park 'lead' -- Eric "Abortion Clinic Bomber" Rudolph's 5-year fugitive sojourn in North Carolina's Blue Ridge Mountains gives some credence to the viability of an Appalachian hideout for Brian, per his much-discussed love of the AT.

Indeed, Rudolph's case proves that it is not only possible to survive in the Southern U.S.'s mountain ranges, but to do so indefinitely -- especially if one has help. And that, to me, is the only stumbling block for Brian: while anti-abortion, anti-government sympathizers fed, hid, and otherwise helped Rudolph, folks ticked off about Brian's widely-publicized "stupid Southerners" quip in a Wyoming bar in August are unlikely to roll out the red carpet.

And, as you guys doubtless know better than most, sheer serendipity played an even larger role in LE's apprehension of Rudolph than Kelly. Although LE were uncertain of Rudolph's whereabouts, one of his main protectors died unexpectedly in his 5th year as a fugitive, forcing Rudolph to venture out of the mountains for provisions. He was caught rummaging through a dumpster for food.

Finally, the post-9/11 vigilance thing? When folks say there's no way that Laundrie could make it past screeners to board a plane or cruise ship, I consider that just recently, a group of UK high school girls -- none of them older than 17, IIRC -- managed to get the requisite papers and fly from England to the Middle East to join an extremist group, despite the UK's robust pre-flight screening and the girls’ lack of documented parental consent.

So if historical precedent augurs future possibilities, then Laundrie could be gone for a very, very long time – and just might be found in surprisingly distant surroundings when/if he is found. (Just MOO.)

[ETA: Fixed age reference.]
This is a great, thought-provoking post. In the past day or so I’ve thought about the series Better Call Saul. The character starts a brand new life in another city working at a Cinn-a-Bon store. Of course, he had help doing it and it wasn’t cheap.
 
I want to edit my previous post to add and correct myself, about autopsies....>>>>despite what may be listed from someone who pronounces the patient -- if there is an autopsy --other findings may reveal, that in my example, having a heart attack was totally incorrect. The medical examiner who does the autopsy has the final word. Sorry if i created confusion.
 
Yes, I get all of this - but why not just come straight out with it and issue an arrest warrant for murder? I get that this maybe some sort of 'strategy' - but either they have the evidence that points to B as the killer, or they don't. And seeing as B is still a POI and the only arrest warrant is for fraud, I am guessing they are missing a piece of the jigsaw.

I am sure some savvy defence attorney would come up with a way to play this manhunt for fraud charges as prejudicial in any forthcoming murder trial. Or is that not a thing in the US?

Federal murder charges must go before a grand jury. This takes time and doesn't happen in an hour.
 
Federal murder charges must go before a grand jury. This takes time and doesn't happen in an hour.
Why and where? Is there some sort of resource you can point me to in order to understand? TIA!
 
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