Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #51

[NCWatcher]

A couple of unrelated points that came to mind after reading over the posts I missed last night.

First, if there are any negative implications to the idea that BL apparently did not attend college, they would also apply to GP, as there is no indication she attended college either as far as I know. Personally I don't think anything useful to this case can be gleaned from their college plans.

Second, when we say that "nobody has come forward" to confirm something, that means nobody has come forward to the public. There may well be witnesses who have come forward to police. We can't assume that because there is no public confirmation of, say, BL moving stuff out of a storage locker or GP spending a full week in a hotel, doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen.

MOO

I agree that focusing on the fact neither GP nor BL went to college isn't likely to be productive. The assumption that every high school graduate should go to college doesn't make sense to me anyway. Far too many students end up with some college credits but no degree and a pile of student loan debt. Apparently GP thought about it though as she applied to Cape Fear Community College when she lived in Wilmington. But reportedly she never enrolled.

Gabby Petito once lived in Wilmington; friends share memories - WWAY TV

CFCC, like all community colleges in NC is open admissions so she would have been accepted. I guess she changed her mind.
JMO

 

[JuliaGoolia]

Or maybe there’s evidence degrading & decomposing under the petunias or tomatoes. First thing that jumped into my mind when I saw the pic. Conjecture!

Ohhh intriguing thought

 

[sjinnj]

I hadn’t realized the AT was so accommodating with cabins free to hikers or fugitives.

They usually are referred to as a lean-to.

 

[CharlestonGal]

I think those who are dubious are not dubious about him meeting someone who resembled BL. They are just wondering if it was actually BL, or someone else who was jerking their chain (as we would say in Australia).

I don't doubt the veracity of Dennis Davis' statement of his encounter with this strange man. I just don't think it was actually BL. I don't think BL would have purposely flagged down a stranger to ask for directions. BL never wore bandanas. BL insisted on referring to Gabby as his fiancee, not his girlfriend.

It's possible local LE did not jump on this hot tip because they already know who he is. "Well, looks like Jim Bob is driving around town again all tweaked out and bothering folk." Local LE are usually pretty familiar with the interesting characters living in the area. DD calls the FBI. FBI notifies local LE to check it out. Local LE says, "White F-150, you say? Bandana? Rambling nonsense? Yeah, that's Jim Bob being Jim Bob."

You'd be surprised how often it happens that small local LE already know who you're talking about when you call in a tip.

JMO

 

[JudgeJoe]

They usually are referred to as a lean-to.

On the trail, they’re called shelters & they are no palace, no “cabin” for sure. Some are 2 stories, all open. Most have resident mice. Some are off-trail by ¼ mile or more, some right on trail. They are disbursed at irregular intervals all along the trail. I’d never think BL would stay in one of those (too risky) but maybe hidden deep behind one that is further “off trail” because then he could pilfer someone’s supplies in the middle of the night. Easily, because most would hang their packs off the bear cables provided many feet away from the shelter. Easy peasy.

Of course not relevant if he’s in a vacant cottage, F-150, or foreign country. No clue where that lil f’er is at this stage of the game. Jmo

 

[GRT]

A cold case is any criminal investigation by a law enforcement agency that has not been solved for (generally) at least one year and, as a result, has been closed from further regular investigations.

A cold case may be closed for various reasons such as: previously available technology was not able to adequately analyze the evidence in order to form a conclusion; witnesses were hostile and uncooperative; various time constraints hindered the investigation; the originally assigned detectives had a heavy workload; a lack of worthwhile leads stalled the case.

Cold Case | Encyclopedia.com

I was wondering about that myself. I also wonder if there's a time limit after which they typically reduce the amount of manpower.

They had a lot of manpower and equipment in the reserve, and now that's scaled back.

I would think they would consider not just the severity of the crime, but the suspect's potential to commit more crimes of a serious nature when deciding to scale back.

Then again, maybe it depends on whether (good) leads are still coming in.

I'm already starting to see a bit less coverage in mainstream media, so maybe they think the public interest is starting to wane?

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

@Bluebythec
Gabbys friend lived in Florida but they were planning on meeting in Yellowstone to celebrate her birthday.

“early August, when they discussed meeting up in Yellowstone National Park in Wyoming for Davis’ birthday on Aug. 29.”

Brian Laundrie was controlling, had 'episodes': Gabby Petito pal

 

[squareandrabbet]

oh okay… thanks, I’m new…

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[SouthAussie]

I was wondering about that myself. I also wonder if there's a time limit after which they typically reduce the amount of manpower.

They had a lot of manpower and equipment in the reserve, and now that's scaled back.

I would think they would consider not just the severity of the crime, but the suspect's potential to commit more crimes of a serious nature when deciding to scale back.

Then again, maybe it depends on whether (good) leads are still coming in.

I'm already starting to see a bit less coverage in mainstream media, so maybe they think the public interest is starting to wane?

Sooner or later, other cases take precedence. Murders and manslaughters never stop happening.
Detectives often end up juggling at least several important cases each, and are not able to concentrate on just one case - after a while. imo

 

[Cryptic]

This is no where even close to being a cold case. Fear not, there will be a capture soon. Very soon.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Though I agree with you about the strong possibility of a capture, it may not be soon.

"L" is on the run with no car, money or support system in conjunction with his name, face and circumstances of the crime he is suspected of all over the news.

For most people, this would lead to relatively rapid captures. "L", however, has a previous lifestyle that facilitates an ability to "submerge" into the homeless or semi homeless world more easily.

This is a world where the news is not watched regularly, questions about background may not be asked, a good number of people could be escaping from something, and aversions to ID, use of multiple names or nicknames etc. fairly common.

But..... I think it is important to also factor in that this world is also a tough world and "L" is going to be facing a temptation to "re-surface" into the regular world sooner or later. The more he re-surfaces, the better chance of him getting identified.

I just hope that he does not "re-surface" with an identity stolen from somebody in the homeless world.

 

[squareandrabbet]

I was wondering about that myself. I also wonder if there's a time limit after which they typically reduce the amount of manpower.

They had a lot of manpower and equipment in the reserve, and now that's scaled back.

I would think they would consider not just the severity of the crime, but the suspect's potential to commit more crimes of a serious nature when deciding to scale back.

Then again, maybe it depends on whether (good) leads are still coming in.

I'm already starting to see a bit less coverage in mainstream media, so maybe they think the public interest is starting to wane?

I think it’s possible that people are developing more grimly realistic points of view, vis-a-vis how quickly they can expect to see justice. It’s tough to keep the fever pitch up every day.

 

[Jurisprudence]

I know there are still leads coming in, however I was just wondering when does this become a cold case? When the leads stop?

Mornin' all. I don't think this will ever become a cold case because I believe this case is already solved. MOO. It's just a matter of bringing the offender into custody. JMO.

I briefly looked at Thread 50 and saw there was a lot of discussion last night on BL's proposed return trip to Florida to clear out a storage locker. I hadn't posted on that much because it was never confirmed. I realize that back on September 15th, the Daily Mail stated that GP's mom herself mentioned it, and that they also republished a hand-written time line that her Uncle prepared and had posted on social media, but the fact that no other outlet ever picked this up always bothered me. MSM outlets typically only print information when it can be verified or if not verified, at least independently corroborated. Maybe by the time they tried to verify this her parents were asked by LE to stop talking. MOO. Additionally, while it is easy to jump to the conclusion that GP informed her mother of this herself as she sat in the hotel, it is equally plausible that GP never said anything to her parents about this. We just don't know.
Boyfriend of missing Gabby Petito returned to Florida alone 10 DAYS before she was reported missing | Daily Mail Online

But, in light of the revelations by his lawyer that BL's sister saw him after he returned on 9/1, I now believe this deserves some scrutiny. If this occurred it can potentially be a very important piece of information. IMO this trip never made sense. And, I am now wondering if the parents pulled him home because they learned of the Moab incident. MOO. Somewhere in Thread 48 or 49 a member posted a transcript of his sister's brief interview with ABC News. I think something in that interview may tie into this, so I am going to see if I can find that post. MOO.

 

[Hyway]

They usually are referred to as a lean-to.

Yes. Most AT shelters are like that, but a few are pretty dang nice enclosed structures.

 

[cady]

I don't doubt the veracity of Dennis Davis' statement of his encounter with this strange man. I just don't think it was actually BL. I don't think BL would have purposely flagged down a stranger to ask for directions. BL never wore bandanas. BL insisted on referring to Gabby as his fiancee, not his girlfriend.

It's possible local LE did not jump on this hot tip because they already know who he is. "Well, looks like Jim Bob is driving around town again all tweaked out and bothering folk." Local LE are usually pretty familiar with the interesting characters living in the area. DD calls the FBI. FBI notifies local LE to check it out. Local LE says, "White F-150, you say? Bandana? Rambling nonsense? Yeah, that's Jim Bob being Jim Bob."

You'd be surprised how often it happens that small local LE already know who you're talking about when you call in a tip.

JMO

Still snickering, lol. Sounds like an Andy Griffith adventure. jmo Not to make fun of DD I think he saw what he saw, just not BL.

 

[putnam6]

Good Morning, WSers. Wow, I just watched the Dennis Davis interview. Sounds totally legit. Don't see how this could be a make believe sighting, IMO. Hopefully today is the day. Woke up with a weird feeling about today. Fingers crossed.

Well, where it was on the map fits, semi-familiar with that area. If it was Brian and his conversation wasn't subterfuge ie acting like he was dazed and out of it.

but yea hoping they find him really really soon.

 

[SMK777]

I don't doubt the veracity of Dennis Davis' statement of his encounter with this strange man. I just don't think it was actually BL. I don't think BL would have purposely flagged down a stranger to ask for directions. BL never wore bandanas. BL insisted on referring to Gabby as his fiancee, not his girlfriend.

It's possible local LE did not jump on this hot tip because they already know who he is. "Well, looks like Jim Bob is driving around town again all tweaked out and bothering folk." Local LE are usually pretty familiar with the interesting characters living in the area. DD calls the FBI. FBI notifies local LE to check it out. Local LE says, "White F-150, you say? Bandana? Rambling nonsense? Yeah, that's Jim Bob being Jim Bob."

You'd be surprised how often it happens that small local LE already know who you're talking about when you call in a tip.

JMO

I just wish they could issue a statement to the effect of, We have reason to believe that Mr. Davis likely encountered a local known to the area and to police so that people could stop thinking it was BL and that LE are doing nothing…

 

[makayla]

Last night the thread closed before I had a chance to respond to South Aussie’s post … here is a copy of it:




Here was my post responding to someone asking about flights BL may have taken in August…….

(Makayla) My answer about the flights was referring to BL’s possible trip back to FL in August when they were still on their trip. I doubt he would have flown since his return to FL on September 1st. I’m sure LE has checked with the airlines for any flights he made in August. I’m still uncertain of that story especially since we haven’t seen any proof of such a trip.

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(South Aussie) I wonder why the FBI would have reason to check about the August flights? Gabby was not murdered until later in August. And she was seen alive, by others, after those flights.

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My reply to South Aussie this morning …

(Makayla) I was referring to the possibility of BL flying home to Florida in August, of which we have no proof, and I agree I don’t think it is that important unless it tells us more about WHY he would have flown hone. Did he move GP’s belongings into storage, indicating he didn’t want her things in the Laundrie home anymore, did he move all their belongings from a storage unit into the Laundrie home to save money, had they broken up their relationship and if so, why did he return to continue the van journey with GP, or were there other reasons for him to leave GP in a SLC hotel in the middle of their van journey? It just seemed strange to me that he would have done this, and it’s not something that has been proven. If he didn’t fly back to FL in August, was he at the hotel in SLC with GP the whole time? All we know about that time period is both of them were seen leaving the hotel on August 24th. In the overall scheme of things, and given that GP was still alive at that time, it’s not critical, but I am curious whether he did fly home for awhile and why.

 

[jamicat]

Mornin' all. I don't think this will ever become a cold case because I believe this case is already solved. MOO. It's just a matter of bringing the offender into custody. JMO.

I briefly looked at Thread 50 and saw there was a lot of discussion last night on BL's proposed return trip to Florida to clear out a storage locker. I hadn't posted on that much because it was never confirmed. I realize that back on September 15th, the Daily Mail stated that GP's mom herself mentioned it, and that they also republished a hand-written time line that her Uncle prepared and had posted on social media, but the fact that no other outlet ever picked this up always bothered me. MSM outlets typically only print information when it can be verified or if not verified, at least independently corroborated. Maybe by the time they tried to verify this her parents were asked by LE to stop talking. MOO. Additionally, while it is easy to jump to the conclusion that GP informed her mother of this herself as she sat in the hotel, it is equally plausible that GP never said anything to her parents about this. We just don't know.
Boyfriend of missing Gabby Petito returned to Florida alone 10 DAYS before she was reported missing | Daily Mail Online

But, in light of the revelations by his lawyer that BL's sister saw him after he returned on 9/1, I now believe this deserves some scrutiny. If this occurred it can potentially be a very important piece of information. IMO this trip never made sense. And, I am now wondering if the parents pulled him home because they learned of the Moab incident. MOO. Somewhere in Thread 48 or 49 a member posted a transcript of his sister's brief interview with ABC News. I think something in that interview may tie into this, so I am going to see if I can find that post. MOO.

Trip could make perfect sense to me. Few people can take off on extended cross country trips like BL and GP did. without some brief return to take care of some business. This may have been preplanned with the end of a storage locker lease.
LE has to know about this and can verify certain things. If they questioned parents upon missing persons report, they surely asked about any storage lockers. Flight manifests easily checked. The trip was no secret.

 

[SMK777]

I agree that focusing on the fact neither GP nor BL went to college isn't likely to be productive. The assumption that every high school graduate should go to college doesn't make sense to me anyway. Far too many students end up with some college credits but no degree and a pile of student loan debt. Apparently GP thought about it though as she applied to Cape Fear Community College when she lived in Wilmington. But reportedly she never enrolled.

Gabby Petito once lived in Wilmington; friends share memories - WWAY TV

CFCC, like all community colleges in NC is open admissions so she would have been accepted. I guess she changed her mind.
JMO

I agree that their not attending college is not all that important, except for the fact that it may have kept them busy and led to meeting other people. The VanLife project more or less kept them glued together, with disastrous results.

 

[catch_22]

I think those who are dubious are not dubious about him meeting someone who resembled BL. They are just wondering if it was actually BL, or someone else who was jerking his chain (as we would say in Australia).

I agree with most of what you said. The witness is most likely being truthful, but the odds of it actually being BL are very small, imo.

As big as this case has gotten, I still think the vast majority of the public has no idea about it. It seems most people don't watch the news, or pay attention to stuff like this. I can't imagine that F-150 guy (assuming he actually exists) is out there in the middle of night trying to trick random people into thinking he is a fugitive that 95% of the population has never heard of, and 99.97% of the population would never "recognize".

If there was a guy out there doing this, I think he would be much less cryptic. I don't think he would ask for directions to california. I think he would say, "hi I'm BL, I murdered my fiancee GP in wyoming. I'm a wanted fugitive." And then he'd drive off. Or something to that affect.

I think F150 guy was either some drunk lost dude, or some creep out doing some creepy stuff. When he saw it was a man in the car that he had flagged down, he just tried to make some smalltalk and then he was on his way.

MOO