Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #57

[NCWatcher]

There's been much discussion about whom LE determined was the aggressor in the reported Moab altercation between Gabby and BL.

I don't recall consideration of the severity of the alleged aggression by either of them towards the other, nor what that may indicate.

BL grabbed Gabby's face, reportedly leaving a scratch from his nail. Gabby demonstrated this to LE.

IMO, this action by BL is a far more vicious than any slap.

Animals slap away their young when bothered by them, but to dig their claws into the face is an actual attack, an attempt to control the body of the creature, and to cause harm.

Grab your own jaw, with thump and middle finger just anterior to the bony parts, where the soft tissue of the cheek pads begin. Push not very hard at all, directing pressure towards the joints.

You'll likely experience significant pain which is sustained over some time – even causing a subsequent headache.

There is a very skinny opening in my thoughts to allow for BL to be innocent of causing Gabby's death, in spite of his behaviour.

However, IMO, face-grabbing is a savage act, indicative of a sadistic mind.

I'm not sure I agree. For example, not that I recommend a parent do either, but compare grabbing a child's face by the lower jaw (as some parents do) and saying "Look at me" to slapping that child's face (as some parents also do)...No, the first is not more vicious. (And yes, I realize BL isn't GP's parent but you talked about how parents treat their young. And no, I'm not saying what BL reportedly did was ok.)

I don't think we fully know the DV pattern, if one existed, between GP and BL. GP's family and CL have said they didn't see anything alarming. But Rose did speak. She reported BL once took GP's ID so she couldn't go to a bar with Rose to go dancing. Rose said GP was very upset.

According to this source Gabby Petito's best friend claims Brian Laundrie was jealous and controlling | Daily Mail Online

"Gabby returned home and confronted her boyfriend, who Rose said admitted he took her license."

'Brian didn't want her to go out with me, so he took it,' she recalled. 'She was so hysterical. She told me she slapped him and said something about him pushing her."

So I think the historical pattern of hostile physical interactions is unclear. Statistics tell us what is common but they can't be used to predict individual behavior.

JMO

 

[ThoughtFox]

Except for the Appalachian Trail guy who was looking for the road to California, there is nothing about BL that makes me think he would head back out west to get lost. He could have easily driven on to California when he was near Yellowstone, ditched the van, and gone into hiding. But Florida is his comfort zone and there are many large cities where he could hide. However, Atlanta strikes me as a better option. Halfway between Florida and North Carolina, nice climate, public transportation other southern cities don't have, cheap restaurants, soup kitchens, college campuses where he might crash a party for food or a place to sleep, lots of surrounding countryside to hide in. He can be homeless there instead of wasting money driving all the way to the west coast. JMOO

 

[Jurisprudence]

In a random sample of all the people in my office, I'd say less than 10% are vaguely aware of the case, and the rest wouldn't even know what I was talking about. Most people are too busy in their regular lives to follow cases this closely and/or have no interest in doing so. jmo

Wow I thought just about everyone knew about this case. We have a guy on the run whose identity we know; parents not speaking. All the Hallmarks of a true mystery. MOO

 

[Bekind89]

If you are saying the manner of Gabby's death was not a murder then, perhaps you are unaware her death has been ruled a Homicide by the Coroner. A homicide is the unlawful killing of one person by another. Otherwise, if your post was misunderstood, I extend my apologies.

Gabby Petito's remains confirmed, and manner of death was homicide, coroner determines

• Gabby Petito's remains confirmed, and manner of death was homicide, coroner determines

Sept. 22, 2021

Petito's remains were found Sunday at a campground in Bridger-Teton National Forest, near Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming.

Investigators are committed to making sure anyone involved in Petito's death "is held accountable for their actions," Michael Schneider, special agent in charge of the FBI's Denver office, said Tuesday.

"Mr. Brian Laundrie has been named a person of interest," Schneider said.


@Lillymac This link has one photo that shows the trees and the cross with the creek in the background that I had not seen before for I, too, have spent hours searching for photos of the WY Crime Scene.
Harrowing Gabby crime scene pics from camp where body found are revealed

Google Earth link of Spread Creek- area Gabby was found at.
Google Earth

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I can't believe they haven't found him yet. I really thought this was going to be resolved within days.

It may have been if LE had actually done what they initially led us to believe they were doing.

 

[avalonisland]

I know they had to search it but they went so above and beyond that I can't shake the feeling they had something. Whether it was off a trail cam or something to do with the location of his old phone. It just seemed that they were looking for something specific after it seemed clear that they were no longer looking for "him" there. MOO

Did Brian’s parents have a key to Brian’s mustang! I don’t believe Brian hiked or camped out at Reserve mid-September, but simply abandoned his car there to make it seem like he’s there.

 

[TheGardener]

It may have been if LE had actually done what they initially led us to believe they were doing.

Absolutely.

 

[Bekind89]

Did Brian’s parents have a key to Brian’s mustang! I don’t believe Brian hiked or camped out at Reserve mid-September, but simply abandoned his car there to make it seem like he’s there.

They must have because they are the ones who drive it back home. Jmo

 

[Recidivist]

If you are saying the manner of Gabby's death was not a murder then, perhaps you are unaware her death has been ruled a Homicide by the Coroner. A homicide is the unlawful killing of one person by another. Otherwise, if your post was misunderstood, I extend my apologies.

Gabby Petito's remains confirmed, and manner of death was homicide, coroner determines

• Gabby Petito's remains confirmed, and manner of death was homicide, coroner determines

Sept. 22, 2021

Petito's remains were found Sunday at a campground in Bridger-Teton National Forest, near Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming.

Investigators are committed to making sure anyone involved in Petito's death "is held accountable for their actions," Michael Schneider, special agent in charge of the FBI's Denver office, said Tuesday.

"Mr. Brian Laundrie has been named a person of interest," Schneider said.


@Lillymac This link has one photo that shows the trees and the cross with the creek in the background that I had not seen before for I, too, have spent hours searching for photos of the WY Crime Scene.
Harrowing Gabby crime scene pics from camp where body found are revealed

I know this has been said dozens of times, but no, homicide is not the unlawful killing of another. Homicide simply means death at the hands of another. Homicide can include justified killings, such as police shooting an armed suspect, or it can mean a killing in self defense. Murder can also be included, however a homicide is not the same as murder.

 

[cady]

They must have because they are the ones who drive it back home. Jmo

The Mustang was registered to his Dad. Not his car. jmo

 

[avalonisland]

I’ve always thought if I were BL, I would go to LA for all the reasons you said.
MOO

I agree with you. I also don’t believe he would abandon his Mustang unless he had a replacement vehicle to use. I think when Brian went camping with family that he arrived with his family but departed in a newly bought vehicle or with someone who is helping him flee police. I think he’s in Florida or New York hiding out in someone’s basement. I think his parents know where he is.

 

[Jurisprudence]

I thought the coroner returned the next day but I cannot find that detail, if it happened. However, I did find this interview:

Jennifer Shen, retired San Diego Police Department Crime Laboratory Director, has given her opinion on why her full autopsy results are yet to be released.

In an exclusive interview with The Sun, she said: "The death was referred to as a homicide very quickly after her body was found.

"This generally indicates the cause of death was pretty apparent to those that found her.

"I would assume there was visible trauma consistent with some kind of attack (i.e. gunshot wounds, knife wounds, obvious signs of strangulation etc.).

"The official cause of death and the autopsy report will likely take weeks to release.

"There are many in-depth toxicological tests that are completed to be thorough and to provide any and all information her body has to offer."

Gabby Petito's autopsy 'to reveal visible signs of trauma from attack'

I had received permission to post a video of an interview with the Chief Medical Examiner in Wisconsin I think (not sure). Oviedo put it on the media thread. It is very interesting. He spoke of 2 autopsies. Preliminary with the coroner then GP being transferred to either a local university, a military base, or possibly even Quantico for a second autopsy by forensic specialists. It was very interesting IMO. Worth watching. MOO

 

[LAhiker]

Does anyone happen to know when and where was the last time he was seen by anyone other than his parents? (I can’t seem to find this info, everything seems to take as fact the date when his parents claim they last saw him.)

What day was he seen in the phone store with an older woman (who I'm guessing was his mother)?

 

[TheGardener]

It reminds me of the yogi who stands on one leg in the Ganges until quitting time, then stalks the dark streets of Calcutta looking for girls to throttle. Some guys just can't live up to the role they've assigned themselves or have had assigned to them by those around them. Something has gone terribly wrong in this young man's mind. The conscienceless behavior at the hub of all of this is confounding and appalling.
MOO

 

[Shellinaya]

And, according to Cassie she and her family lived there. It was with them who BL and GP first lived if you recall from her interview with the protestors. MOO

Where were Gabby and BL going to live when they eventually returned from this trip? Could potentially moving into their own apartment have anything to do with moving her things out of storage? Maybe it was all in anticipation of getting their first place by themselves, together.
Maybe that place is where BL ran to initially. But only if they told very few people where that place was.

Maybe BL went out and got a new apartment during that week he had flown back to FL and moved her things out of storage and if so, he maybe only told his parents where this new apartment was. And maybe he had already moved Gabby's things into it, and that's why that trip took several days instead of just one or two. And no one told the Petitos about this. Maybe Gabby wanted to surprise her parents with news of her new place, or maybe BL didn't want them to know about it at all, or both.

In fact, if he did set up a new apartment during that week, he could have told his parents that was where Gabby was after he returned to FL on the 1st of September.

Pure speculation, but it makes some kind of sense.

 

[EvieIvyOver]

I'm probably in the minority but I think he's dead. The amount of land alone in that area is insane. Add in the flooding, etc...

I'm still waiting for the poll of if people think he's dead or alive

After hearing about the 911 calls coming from the Laundrie house on 09/10 and 09/11, I wonder if those calls involved Brian being suicidal. Would the police have actually spoken to him if that were the case? I'm beginning to believe he left and committed suicide.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Here's that video referenced in Post 755.

Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 8/25/21, MEDIA, MAPS *NO DISCUSSION*

Past a 1 min clip of GP the interview starts.

 

[Trooper]

Another day, no Brian.. . this hunt is now longer than the Siege of Dubrovnik......

No sighting of Brian, ....no buzzards circling, no bits and pieces washing up in the rain, no local dogs dragging back a shin bone.... all these horrible things happen.

When the impossible , and the improbable, turn out to be all that's left to consider.....

Why no sighting of Brian?... experienced trackers are out looking for him ( I remove the NPPD from this category for obvious reasons ) .. If he hasn't been seen, or heard from.. then ... it's because he is in no condition to be seen, or heard.

What is he using for money, if he's on the run?.. no doubt the FBI are tracking his parents and friends bank accounts, with beady eyed concentration... is he sashaying around with a backpack full of dollar bills?.. hard to imagine.

How attention bringing is it these days in southern USA to be using cash??..

He is only 24, and not intellectually developed to a high degree, .. he could maybe cope as long as things were going smoothly, but he does have a tendency to completely lose the plot if thwarted, as has been seen, or denied, or made to wait.. I have no evidence of Brian's intrinsic patience, which a life on the edge would require....

 

[LAhiker]

Just my speculation based on personal experience: I'm a joint account holder on each of my kids' checking and savings accounts. (My name doesn't appear on checks.) These accounts were started when my kids were minors so an adult had to be included.

Once my kids reached 18, their accounts were converted to regular ol' adult accounts. Each had the option of removing me from the account, but none did. It was easy for me to transfer money from my account into my 19 year old's account for school expenses, or transfer money from one kid's account to another to reimburse for a purchase (they use Venmo for this now, but for larger amounts they rather an account to account transfer, which I can easily do).

When I log into my bank app, I see the last four digits of all 11 accounts on which I'm a party. As my kids change banks, marry, etc. I'm sure I'll be dropped from their accounts (as I should be).

I know Gabby's mom lives in NY, but I think her dad lives in FL. It's possible either of them are joint account holders on Gabby's account(s). Just my speculation -- keep in mind I may have missed new facts suggeting otherwise.

I think this is a good suggestion. If the credit or debit card that BL used was shared by GP with one of her parents, might that be why the indictment didn't mention the name on it? If the card is still in use, might they avoid giving both the name and the last four digits of the card? Or would the card have become useless after BL used it?

JMO

 

[LMDlong]

Today while WS was closed in was reading prior posts and thinking. What if … BL had someone help him plan, make arrangements, leave the area and is in hiding. The cause of GP’s homicide has not yet been released, he knows the condition her remains are not in good of shape , so he’s hiding until a cause of death can’t be determined and he can’t be charged with her homicide.