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I’m so sorryCoyotes got ahold of my brother. They even chewed his shoes off.
I’m so sorryCoyotes got ahold of my brother. They even chewed his shoes off.
There was a YouTube true crime creator who laughed off the idea of the van door closing, but became a believer once he saw that footage.Have you not seen the slowed down vid of the door closing? It is very obvious.
I’m so sorryCoyotes got ahold of my brother. They even chewed his shoes off.
New Yorker describes experience of BL look-alike:
“...Next thing I see is a bunch of guys with riot shields with ‘U.S. Marshals’ written on them,” Beckwith said. “Handguns pointed at my face.”
Bounty Hunting for Brian Laundrie in a Land of Look-Alikes
I agree with most of your reasoning almost all the time! But does anyone have any idea where they were and stayed after they checked out in SLC and before they wound up at Spread Creek? Could they have been at SP CR earlier than the 27th? jmoI don't know the FL case, but the OJ case did in fact turn around a single action by. the defendant (the glove). In this case, I think that the defense will definitely have to construct a narrative based on BL doing something different than what he is absolutely known to have done. They can throw spaghetti on the wall, but it won't stick. IMO. Also, the choice of court venue and jury selection helped - Los Angeles is a very populated place, with a lot of diversity in attitudes, so the police malfeasance defense struck a huge chord with many jurors.
I do not think that's going to happen in Wyoming.
Whereas, if BL has anything he can say that will substantiate any form of alibi, he is going to need to do that. Sure, putting the people who picked him up on the stand can be done - but I do believe all three of them will say they didn't believe him at the time, he was acting strangely and impulsively, etc.
I am aware that juries sometimes find reasonable doubt without the defendant being on the stand - but it's rare. We don't even know where this is going to be tried (my understanding right now is that it is likely to be in a state court in Wyoming, in any case with a Wyoming jury). He's going to need a lot to get to reasonable doubt, IMO. An awful lot. What we already know and what can clearly be shown will need a great deal to give even one juror "reasonable doubt."
Of course, I believe that there's more camera footage available. BL leaves the campsite (they arrive on August 27) and walks for two days, during which he goes to the ATM, perhaps maxxing out the cash limit on two days. Wow. That looks really bad for him. And he's charged with a crime for doing it. Then he goes back to the campsite and takes off (with the autopsy indicating it's very possible she was killed before that), doesn't seem to look for her, doesn't raise an alarm about her being missing, takes all her stuff...runs away and becomes a fugitive.
I wouldn't be surprised if phone records show the two phones together - for a while, including when the supposed texts from Gabby to Mom occur past the 27th. He may even have called his parents a few times. While they may not be called to the stand in Florida, this trial won't happen in Florida. If Mom and Dad both take the 5th, I think that's the final nail in the coffin for most reasonable jurors.
I believe the circumstantial evidence and the forensic evidence from Gabby's body will be plenty strong enough - along with the evidence of mens rea.
The parents through SB reported that Monday 9/13 was last day they saw BL. Didn’t say when on that Monday. Sorry, I confused the days too. They went in Tuesday to look for him MOO, he left either late Monday or early Tuesday and his parents did not see him leave as they could not describe what he was wearing. Just that his hiking pack was missing, walket and phone left.No, 9/13 is a Monday and the most recent reported day the parents say BL left. They reported him leaving with a hiking pack with waist strap. And they claim they searched for him that same day.
I've just watched it again but I cannot see the moment you're referring to. I see no change in his demeanour. Maybe I'm watching the wrong part. If you wouldn't mind would you be able to provide a timestamp for me please.Aggressive men in these situations will be very well mannered. If you watch the second video where the officer is on Brian's side of the van you will see a flash of who Brian really is. The officer asks him what happened and Brian snaps back at the officer. Then he hears Gabby taking the blame and calms down.
Did Bethunes say they saw the door shutting? If so, ok. Otherwise, I think that's a matter of perspective. Although, it doesn't really matter. Gabby could have already been strangled by 6:30. jmo
The parents through SB reported that Monday 9/13 was last day they saw BL. Didn’t say when on that Monday. Sorry, I confused the days too. They went in Tuesday to look for him MOO, he left either late Monday or early Tuesday and his parents did not see him leave as they could not describe what he was wearing. Just that his hiking pack was missing, walket and phone left.No, 9/13 is a Monday and the most recent reported day the parents say BL left. They reported him leaving with a hiking pack with waist strap. And they claim they searched for him that same day.
I thought the Bethunes said they wanted to stop and talk to fellow Florida travelers, but didn't because they thought the van looked abandoned...I could be misremembering though. JMO
This is what I've been wondering all along. We have a supposed Jenny Lake sighting on the 25th, but I don't know where they spent that night. Then we have the supposed sighting in SC on the 26th. Were they camped there that whole time?I agree with most of your reasoning almost all the time! But does anyone have any idea where they were and stayed after they checked out in SLC and before they wound up at Spread Creek? Could they have been at SP CR earlier than the 27th? jmo
How horrible. I’m so sorry to hear this.Coyotes got ahold of my brother. They even chewed his shoes off.
If from Spread Creek, it looks like 46 miles. I have always found this MP visit strange, now especially strange if they were walking. MOO.
I don't know the FL case, but the OJ case did in fact turn around a single action by. the defendant (the glove). In this case, I think that the defense will definitely have to construct a narrative based on BL doing something different than what he is absolutely known to have done. They can throw spaghetti on the wall, but it won't stick. IMO. Also, the choice of court venue and jury selection helped - Los Angeles is a very populated place, with a lot of diversity in attitudes, so the police malfeasance defense struck a huge chord with many jurors.
I do not think that's going to happen in Wyoming.
Whereas, if BL has anything he can say that will substantiate any form of alibi, he is going to need to do that. Sure, putting the people who picked him up on the stand can be done - but I do believe all three of them will say they didn't believe him at the time, he was acting strangely and impulsively, etc.
I am aware that juries sometimes find reasonable doubt without the defendant being on the stand - but it's rare. We don't even know where this is going to be tried (my understanding right now is that it is likely to be in a state court in Wyoming, in any case with a Wyoming jury). He's going to need a lot to get to reasonable doubt, IMO. An awful lot. What we already know and what can clearly be shown will need a great deal to give even one juror "reasonable doubt."
Of course, I believe that there's more camera footage available. BL leaves the campsite (they arrive on August 27) and walks for two days, during which he goes to the ATM, perhaps maxxing out the cash limit on two days. Wow. That looks really bad for him. And he's charged with a crime for doing it. Then he goes back to the campsite and takes off (with the autopsy indicating it's very possible she was killed before that), doesn't seem to look for her, doesn't raise an alarm about her being missing, takes all her stuff...runs away and becomes a fugitive.
I wouldn't be surprised if phone records show the two phones together - for a while, including when the supposed texts from Gabby to Mom occur past the 27th. He may even have called his parents a few times. While they may not be called to the stand in Florida, this trial won't happen in Florida. If Mom and Dad both take the 5th, I think that's the final nail in the coffin for most reasonable jurors.
I believe the circumstantial evidence and the forensic evidence from Gabby's body will be plenty strong enough - along with the evidence of mens rea.
Yes.
They saw the van door slightly ajar and then shut, not when they drove by but when they checked out there footage later and enhanced, zoomed in and slowed it down. It’s pretty clearI thought the Bethunes said they wanted to stop and talk to fellow Florida travelers, but didn't because they thought the van looked abandoned...I could be misremembering though. JMO
well I’m in good company then cause I’ve not found where Gabby slept that night. I know she had the van but where did she park the van? Part of me thinks she might have went back to the hotel to talk to him during the night. When and how did they meet back up the next day?
It is in the second body cam that they held back for a month and then released it. When presented with the info that a 911 call reported that a male who drove off in the van was seen slapping a female on the sidewalk, he snapped that he did not have time to be defending himself about that.I've just watched it again but I cannot see the moment you're referring to. I see no change in his demeanour. Maybe I'm watching the wrong part. If you wouldn't mind would you be able to provide a timestamp for me please.
Interesting. Like dry drowning that occurs hours after a drowning incident.
Gabby did not have the luxury of being next to an ER to be examined. And we do not have the luxury of knowing the exact mechanism of death because the coroner declined to tell us. We do not know the hyoid was broken and we do not know the trachea was ruptured.
All we know is there was some kind of evidence of injury to the neck structures that would lead to a conclusion of manual strangulation. We don't know what that injury was. Fracture of the thyroid cartilage? Survivable. Bleeding into the deep soft tissue of the neck? Survivable. Over a period of hours, in the absence of medical examination and treatment, it is entirely possible that slow accumulation of edema or hematoma in the epiglottic region could lead to the death of an unassisted person. It is not, IMO, impossible that Gabby was injured but still alive when BL left.
I think the restaurant incident is very important. It's the last known place Gabby was seen alive. Later on the same day is when the B,W&Bethune campers passed the van and it appeared that no one was at the van.
Each time there was a sighting, BL was always alone. IMO Gabby died on the 27th and the next two days BL was hiking and hitchhiked until he returned to the van and left for good, leaving his dead girlfriend behind. jmo
Me neither - he seems to be talking to the LEO on the other side of the van?Thanks for sharing the video so I could watch it.
I've watched the section where the LEO approaches the van and Brian is sat in the drivers seat and I genuinely can't see him snap at the officer at all.
Maybe I'm not watching the correct bit?
JMO