Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #70

[Jurisprudence]

I don't think the lawyer knows where BL is, myself.

Wouldn't the lawyer have to recuse himself from one set of clients if he couldn't properly represent all of them? Of course, who knows what this actual lawyer might or will do.

Several threads back, there was a truly robust discussion about ATM cards and banking regulations.

Apparently, it's not legal to use someone else's ATM card, period, full stop. Even with permission. So all of us who have occasionally given our card to a kid or a spouse are...breaking the federal law? Several lawyers weighed in and that's what I concluded.

Don't know about credit cards, but if BL used one on, say August 31, pretty sure it'll be hard to argue that Gabby gave him permission to do so. The best defense won't be timing, it will be proof of permission given (for the CC).

If BL used her iPhone and its wallet to use the ATM, that would require entering the debit card numbers into the phone (which many of us have already done) but then, it would not be okay for BL to use that phone to access an ATM. It will be hard for him to argue that any. purchases he made away from Spread Creek had Gabby's permission, especially if he had her phone - she couldn't give permission for use of the phone OR for use of her debit or credit cards.

I think LE knows a lot about those phones, btw.

IMO, this was not the case a month ago. MOO And, now, all of his clients face significant exposure. MOO

 

[cady]

They take this VERY seriously, that I can tell you from experience. I was my mother's only caretaker for two years after her stroke and dementia dx. I paid her bills, nursed her 24/7, ect. I am very blessed that I was able to do that and am very thankful for that time with her. However, it is beyond draining and heartbreaking. I also have MS and was exhausted. So exhausted that I accidentally used her debit card to pay her medical bill after her death. I had power of attorney as well. They. Did. Not. Care. Lol. They did not charge me, but I could have been in a good deal of trouble. Jmo

Same here except mom was in a nursing home. Luckily, I pre-paid her cremation expenses before she died. That didn't stop my older sister from suspecting me of misusing POA (or anything else in that long sad time in my life, for that matter). jmo

 

[sleuth4justice]

"Brian Laundrie’s former co-worker remembers him as ‘chameleon’ and ‘weirdo’ who sometimes lost temper
Brian Laundrie is person of interest in strangling of his fiancée, Gabby Petito

Brian Laundrie had the personality of a "chameleon" who sometimes lost his temper and always had clean hands despite working with plants and soil, according to a former co-worker from his native New York.

"He never came across as the kind of person that would be the killing type," Michael Livingston, who said he worked with Laundrie, 23, in parts of 2017 and 2018, told Fox News Digital. "But he did have that tendency to be — I don’t wanna say the wrong thing and make him sound worse than he already is — he was kind of a guy who would get p---ed off pretty quick."

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Brian Laundrie’s former co-worker remembers him as ‘chameleon’ and ‘weirdo’ who sometimes lost temper

 

[Bekind89]

I always thought ted bundy had that smirk on documentaries I’ve watched.

He did, especially in court when he was acting as his own attorney and was allowed to cross examine the witnesses against him. He made them repeat the bloody violence inflected on his victims . It was vomit inducing. Jmo

 

[cady]

I can't watch it either. I did watch the very first of the video, but I can not watch it beyond 5 minutes. Jmo

I hate it too but it's hard to avoid. I can't stand Gabby's anguished response. jmo

 

[Claire182]

I can't watch it either. I did watch the very first of the video, but I can not watch it beyond 5 minutes. Jmo

I’ve tried 3 times, once with my husband I got up to 13 mins and then stopped as I got upset. I think hindsight can be a wonderful thing but an awful thing too, I just wanted to pull her out of the screen and tell her to leave at that moment. Really want there to be justice for her.

 

[Bekind89]

I’ve tried 3 times, once with my husband I got up to 13 mins and then stopped as I got upset. I think hindsight can be a wonderful thing but an awful thing too, I just wanted to pull her out of the screen and tell her to leave at that moment. Really want there to be justice for her.

Yes, and it makes me too angry what he is getting away with because the police can not see what he is and what he is doing. Jmo

 

[kath4557]

Thank you so much for this. We should be taught this stuff in grade school!

Agree with learning this stuff in school!
I’ve never heard about Duping, but going to be looking for it on everyone’s face now lol.

 

[Which_pancake]

"Brian Laundrie’s former co-worker remembers him as ‘chameleon’ and ‘weirdo’ who sometimes lost temper
Brian Laundrie is person of interest in strangling of his fiancée, Gabby Petito

Brian Laundrie had the personality of a "chameleon" who sometimes lost his temper and always had clean hands despite working with plants and soil, according to a former co-worker from his native New York.

"He never came across as the kind of person that would be the killing type," Michael Livingston, who said he worked with Laundrie, 23, in parts of 2017 and 2018, told Fox News Digital. "But he did have that tendency to be — I don’t wanna say the wrong thing and make him sound worse than he already is — he was kind of a guy who would get p---ed off pretty quick."

Livingston, 31, was a landscaper for a Long Island garden center, where Laundrie worked the sales counter and did other odd jobs, he said.

"I remember from back then he was a big yoga nut, always telling me, ‘I gotta worry about my zen,’" Livingston said. "And I thought he was this weirdo."

At a fundraiser for the newly established Gabby Petito Foundation, Livingston told Fox News he’d known Petito briefly from her regular visits to his job to see Laundrie. So he showed up at 89 North in Patchogue, New York, on Sunday to pay his respects and support the cause, which Petito’s family set up in order to alleviate some of the difficulties they faced for other families.

He said he never witnessed Laundrie being mean or abusive to his now-deceased former fiancée, 22-year-old Gabby Petito, but he did appear to be jealous if he spotted her talking to other guys.

"He would come over and do the boyfriend thing, put his arm around her, give her a kiss, very possessive," he said.

"He was a good employee who knew how to talk to people," Livingston said. "He knew how to make people like him, he knew how to make people happy, and he knew how to make people buy the product that we had, honest. He had the same kind of air you would be taught if you worked at a dealership."

A person who answered the phone at the facility confirmed Laundrie used to work there.

Petito would visit two or three times a week, Livingston said, and she would ask the staff how they were doing and talk about the road trips she wanted to go on or her plans to travel.

"Gabby, she was always a sweetheart, very peaceful," Livingston said. "She was always really nice to me, and she was really outgoing."

"Once I realize that the person who was missing was somebody I actually knew, it hit me like a tidal wave," Livingston said.

He also said Laundrie made money on the side by selling drawings and that he spoke about wanting to tour the country’s national parks.

"I think the only reason why she settled for him is he wanted to travel," Livingston said."

Brian Laundrie’s former co-worker remembers him as ‘chameleon’ and ‘weirdo’ who sometimes lost temper

Were B & G dating in 2017-18 when he worked with this person? Isn't that when she lived in NC? MOO

 

[Barbie619]

Yes - and that's the Coroner's job (to use information not available in the actual autopsy). Context of the findings, times and dates of known appearances, even phone records.

I think if there is ever a trial (BL would definitely do better to do a plea bargain, IMO), if the defense tries to quibble over actual dates, that's not going to influence many or any jurors, due to the ease of establishing an overall narrative that is so much like many other successful murder cases. Keep it simple (for the prosecution). If all the defense has is their own medical person saying some later date is possible, that's not going to help much.

I think, due to the nationwide publicity, this case is something of a slam-dunk and BL will do well to argue it down to second degree murder or whatever the jurisdictional charge is that corresponds to Crime of Passion (third degree in CO and CA, but I don't know about federal charges or WY).

I think the United States thought the Casey Anthony case was also called a slam dunk, until it wasn't. If this goes to trial with a jury, I will hold my breath until the jury gives the verdict. jmo

 

[kittythehare]

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/misc/hb_me.pdf
Coroner's Handbook CDC

 

[sleuth4justice]

"Brian Laundrie's parents go on lengthy errand run in Florida, longest since saga began

Chris and Roberta Laundrie spent about an hour at their local Walmart store just after it opened Tuesday morning, exiting with a shopping cart full of bottled water and other items.

They drove by an AT&T store – but it had not yet opened. Then went to a bank, standing outside the door until its business day began at 9 a.m.

After about 25 minutes inside, they hit the road again, dropping off a box at a nearby FedEx Office storefront.

Then they hopped on Interstate 75 and drove north before reaching another AT&T store in Sarasota."

Brian Laundrie manhunt: Parents go on lengthy errand run in Florida: LIVE UPDATES

 

[MyBelle]

it's possible that the area of the property directly adjacent to the street is in a public right-of-way...this is the case in many residential areas...moo

It is likely a utility easement but it still is Laundrie's private property. The Laundrie property doesn't have a sidewalk. The photo shows the signs are in his yard. The small claims court claim is a form of weaponizing the court process in order to harass the man. He should get an order of protection against the fool who filed it. jmo

 

[Jurisprudence]

That just may be it….

Agree. It's arguably at a point where a hypothetical attorney would have to hope that the one POI client is never caught or found alive for the benefit and welfare of his or her other clients (and possibly his or her own self as the attorney). Hypothetically speaking, of course. MOO

 

[Claire182]

"Brian Laundrie's parents go on lengthy errand run in Florida, longest since saga began

Chris and Roberta Laundrie spent about an hour at their local Walmart store just after it opened Tuesday morning, exiting with a shopping cart full of bottled water and other items.

They drove by an AT&T store – but it had not yet opened. Then went to a bank, standing outside the door until its business day began at 9 a.m.

After about 25 minutes inside, they hit the road again, dropping off a box at a nearby FedEx Office storefront.

Then they hopped on Interstate 75 and drove north before reaching another AT&T store in Sarasota."

Brian Laundrie manhunt: Parents go on lengthy errand run in Florida: LIVE UPDATES

Bank then FedEx. My Suspicions are heightened. MOO

 

[Skigirl]

it's possible that the area of the property directly adjacent to the street is in a public right-of-way...this is the case in many residential areas...moo

Finally, something I know something about.

Yes, it is almost always the case that the public right-of-way extends from the center of the street out 20-30 feet, which means a big chunk of most front yards are part of the public right of way, even though they are owned by the homeowner. Some municipalities prohibit the placement of sinage on a public ROW, but in municipalities that don't, you can put signs anywhere you want on the ROW, including in peoples' front yards.

My city (and I know this from being involved in local politics), does not allow sinage on the public right of way EXCEPT for political campaign sinage. It is still not smart to put your favorite city council candidate's sign in someone's front yard without permission, because the owner will make it disappear, but it's technically illegal to remove the signs -- even though homeowners (and business owners) do it all the time.

 

[Jurisprudence]

"Brian Laundrie’s former co-worker remembers him as ‘chameleon’ and ‘weirdo’ who sometimes lost temper
Brian Laundrie is person of interest in strangling of his fiancée, Gabby Petito

Brian Laundrie had the personality of a "chameleon" who sometimes lost his temper and always had clean hands despite working with plants and soil, according to a former co-worker from his native New York.

"He never came across as the kind of person that would be the killing type," Michael Livingston, who said he worked with Laundrie, 23, in parts of 2017 and 2018, told Fox News Digital. "But he did have that tendency to be — I don’t wanna say the wrong thing and make him sound worse than he already is — he was kind of a guy who would get p---ed off pretty quick."

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Brian Laundrie’s former co-worker remembers him as ‘chameleon’ and ‘weirdo’ who sometimes lost temper

Well, that seems to jive with what we have heard so far. MOO

 

[Coquette]

My post got deleted so here i will repost with links and same explanation:
Pictures taken from MLS of 5100 Linksman match with Brian’s Instagram pics. The floor windows 100% match. The kitchen cabinet doors and above it 100% match.
Lived with Cassie and family for a while.
Before April 2020 Moved out to linksman
Oct 2020 Cassie moved to their new house
Oct 2020 laundrie parents move to wabasso
March 2021 linksman gets sold
Gabby Brian move back to wabasso so only with parents for couple months at wabasso.

Links : 5100 Linksman Place, North Port, FL 34287 | Compass
MSM Link: Inside Brian Laundrie's bedroom as Gabby Petito's homicide confirmed
Instagram : gabspetito , bizarre_design_
Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nomadicstat...73637?lang=en&is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1

Hi, your MSM link does not include the property you've linked. It only mentions the Venice condo that has been made public via MSM and the main Laundrie family home. We aren't allowed to sleuth the parents and I believe that includes their properties. Hopefully a Mod will clarify.

Cheers.

 

[MyBelle]

Need lawyers to weigh in on this please. Aren't homicides occurring in the commission of other crime or attempted crimes such as rape arson robbery....considered 1st degree murder? Could the importance of the warrant for use of Gabby's cards after her death get tied to the commission of robbery of said cards?

I'm not an attorney but Gabby's murder was in the commission of the crime of domestic violence of which there is documented history via the Moab video and the injuries BL inflicted that she showed LE. The fact that he is a deadbeat and needed to steal her credit cards is yet another reflection of his lack of character.

I have no doubt the FBI is spending millions of dollars in resources searching for BL because he will be facing the death penalty...and he knows he's guilty which is why he has fled.

jmo

 

[Which_pancake]

Well I guess we can all hope they are dumb enough to have wired him some money and fed exed him some supplies, because then this will all be over soon!

MOO