Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #81

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Apologies if this has come up in the discussion today already.... did you guys watch the interview of the Tiktokker with a Chicago journalist on YouTube? I watched this the other night and found her to be quite credible IMO

I have no idea whether her account is what actually happened so this isn't a comment what she is saying at all.

But I do think that we need to start viewing a lot of what is displayed on YouTube, TikTok and Instagram (etc) as performative -- ie, actors telling a story. Even documentaries have a point of view and narrative to be delivered. Ditto, many social media influencer accounts.
 
For me, it was very riveting. It was very haunting in a sense to see their relationship when they seemed happy when they started out on their, what was to be, fatal trip, and then how the relationship morphed and escalated into violence and murder. She was so fragile- when I see her so seemingly joyous I have a hard time believing she is actually dead. I believe strongly that if not for this van trip they would both be alive today. That van trip would be stressful in healthy relationships, let alone a relationship with an element of domestic violence. Who would not feel trapped, being with someone under those circumstances- nowhere to go---for days- then weeks on end. I can't help but wonder what the trigger was that resulted in his killing her. I believe there usually is a trigger- something that caused him to snap- I don't believe he planned to kill her- I think he snapped---perhaps she told him that when they got back she was going to break up with him, that she didn't want to be with him any more- that is just a guess of course- who really knows what set him off----

Yes, I have wondered what that final trigger was. I imagine it could have been left over anger from what occurred in Moab. We will never know because the only two that could shed light on the topic are now deceased. Strangling someone until death is very final, which makes me believe that the relationship had met its end. BL was about control. Apparently, he lost control. I think he had a fear she would leave him, and he kept her down in order to keep her close. I keep thinking that she was going to leave the relationship, but why stay in SLC for approximately a week waiting for his return?

I was wondering ( and I know I have asked this before) if anyone believes they actually camped in the spot she was found. It does contain a firepit and a clearing for a tent, but it's so far from the van. Plus, walking through creeks to get there? Also, what about bears? I go back and forth whether it was a campsite or dump site. BL would have had to be a bit familiar with the area, which brings me back to "yes" they camped there. Love to hear any thoughts.

Such a mystery.
 
Agree…. It’s basically the same as shoplifting or stealing from a grocery store … they will def. call the cops if they catch you.

I think you're right and this is such an interesting comment. I don't understand why they might have wanted to risk another encounter with law enforcement. Walking out of a restaurant without paying is risky anyway and I don't understand skating so close to the edge after what just (recently) happened in Moab.
 
Her mother received a text from Gabby the 27th and the time and subject of the text she has not divulged. jmo (the one she received on the 30th, she knows is not Gabby texting). We can guess until we are blue in the face, but the texts are important timeline material that we may never know. jmo

I think those timestamps, especially the one on the 30th are more important than we can even imagine. But since we will never see all the evidence because there will never be a trial, we may never know. I can only assume that the FBI has used the text's from Gabby's phone in that small window of time in order to narrow it down enough to eventually charge BL initially with fraud on the debit card.

Between that 30th text and BL's return to Florida on 9/1, small window here. But it narrowed down when Gabby died, hence the fraud charges. FBI knows it was BL using her card in this time span. JMO
 
Yes, I have wondered what that final trigger was. I imagine it could have been left over anger from what occurred in Moab. We will never know because the only two that could shed light on the topic are now deceased. Strangling someone until death is very final, which makes me believe that the relationship had met its end. BL was about control. Apparently, he lost control. I think he had a fear she would leave him, and he kept her down in order to keep her close. I keep thinking that she was going to leave the relationship, but why stay in SLC for approximately a week waiting for his return?

I was wondering ( and I know I have asked this before) if anyone believes they actually camped in the spot she was found. It does contain a firepit and a clearing for a tent, but it's so far from the van. Plus, walking through creeks to get there? Also, what about bears? I go back and forth whether it was a campsite or dump site. BL would have had to be a bit familiar with the area, which brings me back to "yes" they camped there. Love to hear any thoughts.

Such a mystery.
I think that they arrived on the 26th and slept in the van. I do not think that they set up a tent out there, so far away from the van, which was not supposed to be parked there, for any amount of time , to begin with. The van was not parked at a numbered campsite. The hike to a tent out there across 2 streams is really a stretch. jmo
 
A local could explain better, but way back, someone posted that the highway they were on does go to Jackson, but the driver turned off to take the scenic route (south) which is shorter distance to Jackson....but Brian wasn't really going to Jackson and he wanted them to stay on the highway which goes east at that point(where they turned) because eventually he would want to get out at the road to spread creek. Then the second driver scooped him up and she took him (easterly) to the road that leads to the campground. When he said he wanted to go to Jackson, he meant in the direction of Jackson. What the 200bucks was about is beyond me. jmo

I admit I'm not familiar with this area at all but now that we know something different from the Merry Piglet manager and the tiktoker's version, it makes me question these two other stories from the hitchhiking BL was doing.

The first one was MB who said he offered $200.00, so he was somehow flush with money (which may have something to do with the fraud charges, JMO) but she said he was clean, didn't look like someone who had been camping/hiking for days, half full backback, etc.

But then the 2nd woman who picked him up on the same day, same timeframe (?), had a very different impression of him. So now that I'm questioning all these outside sources of information, what is true and what isn't. Have the stories been confirmed and verified by FBI? Or are we just taking more people inserted into this story and timeline on faith or with a grain of salt?
 
I think you're right and this is such an interesting comment. I don't understand why they might have wanted to risk another encounter with law enforcement. Walking out of a restaurant without paying is risky anyway and I don't understand skating so close to the edge after what just (recently) happened in Moab.

Gabby may NOT be ok with Dine or Dash, but ever try to control the actions of another adult (bigger or stronger) than you before?
I'm about Gabby's height and weight and there's no way you can stop an adult man from stomping out with a credit card.
I have had former friends and one bf in the past Dine & Dash, it's extremely embarrassing. The one case of the bf dining and dashing he took me on a date offered to pay for a meal but REFUSED to pat. I ended up stuck with an expensive bill.
There's little you can do to control another person's actions.
I was so embarrassed every time I wanted to die but I refused to allow them to stiff the waitress.
This would be enough to start a HUGE fight, it did with me each time and ended up dumping each friend and bf, and it even got violent. So it could have been the last straw for her.
 
Yes, I have wondered what that final trigger was. I imagine it could have been left over anger from what occurred in Moab. We will never know because the only two that could shed light on the topic are now deceased. Strangling someone until death is very final, which makes me believe that the relationship had met its end. BL was about control. Apparently, he lost control. I think he had a fear she would leave him, and he kept her down in order to keep her close. I keep thinking that she was going to leave the relationship, but why stay in SLC for approximately a week waiting for his return?

I was wondering ( and I know I have asked this before) if anyone believes they actually camped in the spot she was found. It does contain a firepit and a clearing for a tent, but it's so far from the van. Plus, walking through creeks to get there? Also, what about bears? I go back and forth whether it was a campsite or dump site. BL would have had to be a bit familiar with the area, which brings me back to "yes" they camped there. Love to hear any thoughts.

Such a mystery.
I would not get a good nights sleep in a tent period.
 
I’m not seeing ‘millionaire’s’ pricing on MP’s menu. Jmo.

Menus | Merry Piglets in Jackson, WY

Yes to this!! It looks like regular menu pricing and the food on it sounds yummy and inline with vegan or vegatarian foods available. It's so baffling that they dined at the MP and walked out without paying. There is a piece of that story missing, maybe a large piece, or a small piece, but something just doesn't add up. jmo
 
Her mother received a text from Gabby the 27th and the time and subject of the text she has not divulged. jmo (the one she received on the 30th, she knows is not Gabby texting). We can guess until we are blue in the face, but the texts are important timeline material that we may never know. jmo
I wonder if that text from the 27th contained information about BL and the state of their relationship. She may not want to make that information public. Perhaps, the FBI doesn't want the information out either.
 
I think you're right and this is such an interesting comment. I don't understand why they might have wanted to risk another encounter with law enforcement. Walking out of a restaurant without paying is risky anyway and I don't understand skating so close to the edge after what just (recently) happened in Moab.

By that point perhaps Brian was not thinking clearly: he was getting more emotional without controls so he would not be particularly concerned about law enforcement. <modsnip - opinion stated as fact>
 
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I admit I'm not familiar with this area at all but now that we know something different from the Merry Piglet manager and the tiktoker's version, it makes me question these two other stories from the hitchhiking BL was doing.

The first one was MB who said he offered $200.00, so he was somehow flush with money (which may have something to do with the fraud charges, JMO) but she said he was clean, didn't look like someone who had been camping/hiking for days, half full backback, etc.

But then the 2nd woman who picked him up on the same day, same timeframe (?), had a very different impression of him. So now that I'm questioning all these outside sources of information, what is true and what isn't. Have the stories been confirmed and verified by FBI? Or are we just taking more people inserted into this story and timeline on faith or with a grain of salt?

I agree. At the beginning, I took all public sightings with a grain of salt because who knows if eyewitness testimony is correct, and just because it's publicly known doesn't mean it's more likely to be correct. But as the case went on, I kind of just accepted these sightings because they got repeated so much. But truly, we don't really KNOW that the hitchhikers stories are correct. After all, that engineer was "99.9% sure" he talked to BL on the Appalachian Trail...MOO
 
The article says they aren't sure who removed his account. I wonder if Instagram can remove accounts or if someone (like maybe family) would have to log in to deactivate it? IMO.

When my sister died in 2013 I had none of her passwords. I wanted to delete her FB account, I was required to provide her death certificate, thinking this would help me have her account deleted. Instead her account wasn't deleted but became in memoriam which really upset me. It's 8 years later and still available to review and even post comments to. Don't know how other SM accounts work and if they follow the same thing FB did to my family. It could remain there forever despite of family's best efforts, unless you know the password.
 
I think you're right and this is such an interesting comment. I don't understand why they might have wanted to risk another encounter with law enforcement. Walking out of a restaurant without paying is risky anyway and I don't understand skating so close to the edge after what just (recently) happened in Moab.

it is odd
 
BL told the cops they didn't have money for a hotel and he said, paraphrasing, "no we don't have much money". He told the cops that. That is why he got a free hotel room.

If they didn't even sleep in the van when it was raining (per Gabby's video of her holding the tent walls up during a storm) then there isn't much reason to think they ever slept in the van, especially since it didn't have what looked like a full size bed. Maybe the cushion folded out but we don't know that and I never saw it that way.

My understanding of "van life" is that it's a lifestyle and goes on longer than 3-4 months. They were planning on ending their trip, according to reports here on WS, and after that we have no idea, but they were not making a life out of van living, at least not this trip. It was for Instagram and Tik Tok. It was a story they wanted to monetize. They weren't making money off that yet either because Gabby had just barely started her website. I think this trip was their trial run but it had an end date so it wasn't really even van life, it was van trip.

Lot of people speculated they argued at one time or another about money and I think they did too. It might have been the source of their biggest arguments, like it is with a lot of couples. Then BL probably killed her, stole her money and her van and the trip ended so it never was successful "van life". It was a big disaster.

MOO

FTR, the video of her in the tent when it was raining was in the afternoon. I have a tent outside that my son hangs out in the daytime. That doesn't mean he doesn't sleep inside the house. But like I said, it doesn't matter if they sleep in a tent or not, they are doing their version of vanlife.

I don't know why you have such a strong definition of what vanlife is and is not. I have seen the vanlife tag go with people who are barely one step above homeless and never go anywhere except to the next parking space, to people who take weekend and extended trips, but still have a home they live in most of the time, to people who travel extensively for a 1/2 the year and then come back to live/park in a friend/family members driveway for the other half while they work a job to rebuild their bank account, up to people who live in $100,000 vans and live year round traveling.

The intent for them was to buy a van and convert it to match the lifestyle. Which they did. They left sometime in early June and I believe went thru the Appalachians and camped and then traveled to NY for a family event on June 17th and then left NY on July 2nd. I don't know where they stayed while in NY. It keeps being said they planned to end their trip in Portland or someplace up there, but thats not an end. They don't live there. They would need to return home or travel on, and there have been plenty indications they planned to continue. SB gave that as the reason why BL returned home to empty the storage building. Other reports have said they then planned to move down the coast into California. I personally think they hoped for a longterm vanlife and this first leg was a sort of shakedown cruise to work out the kinks before making grander plans.

And I am not convinced that BL saying they don't have money for a motel meant they were broke. I think, for reasons I can't state due to WS policy, is that BL is very literal in his understanding of verbal communications. They may have plenty of money socked away and have it budgeted to last for months, and GP may often remind him that they don't have money for this or that because the budget doesn't allow for it. (we have no idea who paid for the plane flight and the motel room GP stayed in for 5 days. It could have been them or it could have been BL's parents) . So when LE asked about money for a room, he paused and though a moment, maybe going over the budget, and said no. It isn't conclusive either way, so neither one of us know how much money they had.

They were eating in restaurants, which started this chain of posts between us :), so they probably had money for it. They were traveling across country in a van and living outside of a residence full time. Thats good enough to get the vanlife tag if they want it. Their is no government or corporate agency handing out permissions to use it.
 
Yes, I have wondered what that final trigger was. I imagine it could have been left over anger from what occurred in Moab. We will never know because the only two that could shed light on the topic are now deceased. Strangling someone until death is very final, which makes me believe that the relationship had met its end. BL was about control. Apparently, he lost control. I think he had a fear she would leave him, and he kept her down in order to keep her close. I keep thinking that she was going to leave the relationship, but why stay in SLC for approximately a week waiting for his return?

I was wondering ( and I know I have asked this before) if anyone believes they actually camped in the spot she was found. It does contain a firepit and a clearing for a tent, but it's so far from the van. Plus, walking through creeks to get there? Also, what about bears? I go back and forth whether it was a campsite or dump site. BL would have had to be a bit familiar with the area, which brings me back to "yes" they camped there. Love to hear any thoughts.

Such a mystery.
GP facetimed with her mom on Aug. 25th that they were in GTNP, plus there was a likely sighting of them at Jenny Lake at 5pm that same day. I believe they were camping at Spread Creek from the 25th on. IMO, it is not important that they had their van in a spot not designated for parking, nor that the area GP was found was not designated for camping. The campground was full, according the the Bethunes (on the 27th), so I think GP and BL just picked a spot that worked. The creek was drier in August, and walking that distance to set up camp is not unusual, imo, especially if they were camping where they weren't supposed to. I can't believe that they would sleep in the back of the van for multiple nights in a row when it would be so easy to set up a tent, fire, etc. Plus, setting up the tent is what they normally did, as far as we see, so why would those nights be any different? JMO.
 
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