Yeah…I don’t remember mention of any of that ab the imprint either. Just speculation that he thought it would have been a good place for a camping tent.It was a clearing no mention of an imprint.
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Yeah…I don’t remember mention of any of that ab the imprint either. Just speculation that he thought it would have been a good place for a camping tent.It was a clearing no mention of an imprint.
Yes! I watched it, too! I love watching their specials! I am a frequent flyer on their YouTube channel haha! They do great work!I watched their last Gabby special on their YouTube channel here
https://www.youtube.com/c/60Minutes9/videos
He didn't say he had taken the medication. He said the doctor had prescribed it for anxiety. Then he went on to list the possible side effects. IIRC.Yes. We know from Brian's own words on the Moab police body cam footage that he had been taking medication but stopped, iirc. It is my opinion that their problems stem from his mental health issues, not hers. I believe he projected his issues on to her.
Nice write up. But, if they didn't work backwards, why did Dr. Blue even mention DV?So much is known about what bodies do in different tempss, on different kinds of surfaces, in varying humidity, etc., that I would say it is as exact a science as figuring out whether a person needs a certain dose of medicine, depending on their size. There are thousands of studies, two major body farms,. and 5 decades of carefully collected data.
First, the body begins to break down all of the cells in the soft tissue. This is accompanied by the production of various enzymes, whose rates are correlated closely with temperature and humidity (especially temperature). The ME and Coroner know more about the temps at Spread Creek than we do, I'm sure.
The reason that they have a week long window (which is pretty narrow) is that there was probably not a lot of mold or mildew in the area - some, enough to get a window on that stage of decomp. It's really unlikely that all insects, birds and rodents would have avoided the body, so I doubt there's much evidence of what a last meal would have been. It's possible - but that takes sending samples to specialists. There's been no word whether they hired an (expensive) forensic entomologist or not - but they must have preserved the evidence needed for that analysis to take place. I think they could still hire one - if they find BL. Why bother and use up a precious expert resource if he's not found?
I'm not sure why some think 7 days is a wide window. I do not think the pathologists and the ME used alleged facts about restaurant visits or texts to determine cause of death - that's not how it works. The Coroner will include that information in the final report, if it is verified but the autopsy itself focuses on what is known about the body.
Since most of us believe the Merry Piglets visit occurred, that does narrow the window. I wrote a fairly lengthy post about it last night.
IMO, there's no way that the medical examiner worked backwards from any outside facts, as that would be assuming way too much about BL's movements and GP's as well. A ME's job is to do an autopsy, not to go out into the field and ask people at restaurants questions - that's a different aspect to the investigation. Nor would the ME be watching the Bethune's video in order to make a determination of ToD.
Wyoming ME's are well versed in WY conditions. I trust the ME implicitly and believe they found the best expert (from Sheridan) that they could.
Being kept just above freezing for some of the time that Gabby was out there would have slowed decomp a little, so it is possible that they could find evidence of last meals...maybe. A lot depends on whether she was face up or face down. It does not appear that any large scavengers discovered her or by the time they did, there wasn't enough for them to bother. It is usually ravens who get there first (and stand/fly around the various campsites in the area, at the ready).
I should add that even a non-entomologist is going to know how to use the various (often generational) evidence from insects to help determine time of death, and there may not be a lot of exotic insects at Spread Creek. The creek itself had very little water in it and from photos I've seen, I'm pretty sure I could cross it easily and would be unlikely to get much of my boots wet.
A Coroner's full report is different than an autopsy report...once all the verified data are combined, the window of Gabby's death will be August 27 to August 29...(using Merry Piglets). During that entire time, I believe it will be easily established that the van was parked within a few hundred feet of where she was found.
BBMHe did offer $200 to the couple that picked him hitchhiking. When they picked him, iirc, he asked where they were going and they said Jackson. I think he took that mean Jackson Hole and once he realized they were going Jackson he wanted OUT. I don't think he wanted to go anywhere near Jackson out of fear of being recognized from the Merry Piglets incident.
My speculation is that maybe he thought he could go to Jackson Hole and possibly catch a bus or another ride to where he could.
Once they let him out I think he realized his options were limited and he then returned to the van and drove home to Florida.
Thank you! Couldn't remember where I'd heard this.He was prescribed medication, but I don't believe he ever took it.
He said: "I feel like if I took the medication, I’d put myself off balance, and then I’d be more anxious — that’s probably just part of my anxiety."
Sounds like he never even tried it.
Brian Laundrie admitted he refused to take anxiety medication after police-involved fight with Gabby Petito (the-sun.com)
Exactly! SAY while she was alive they informally shared an account (we don’t even know that)… are we now saying since that she’s dead he’s allowed to empty her accounts?! That’s her estate. They’re not married & he has no claim & that money should have gone to her parents. I don’t think I’ll ever get the argument that because he might have used her account when he was alive he’s allowed to raid it when she’s dead.If it breaks no laws, how is it he has been indicted on a charge of unauthorized use?
I think that not having her found for a long time was a central part of his strategy. I think he assumed that it would take much longer and that her remains would be scattered or too far gone to determine a cause of death, because she was left pretty far from a walking trail, which lessens the possibility that someone would have just happened to walk by by chance.If he left her body out in the open (unburied) he could have been hoping her remains would be scattered by animals., making it more difficult to find her.
As to the theft over 1,000 and unauthorized use charges - hard for him and a future defense to say she had given him permission to use the card/funds when she was deceased and unable to to do so.
And I have no doubt the staff and other witnesses have given their statements about his bad behavior.The problem I see is that the female witness's story isn't entirely consistent across accounts. That's obvious from the links you provided. For example, in one of the linked stories, she said (in a quote) BL & GP got kicked out of the restaurant. In another account she said she thought they were going to get kicked out. Could be bad reporting, could be a shifting story, we just don't know.
I don't see how that blames GP. And if it turns out the restaurant event wasn't the "trigger" that's not blaming her either. I do think the event helps pin down where they were that day at lunchtime between 1-2pm per the witness. And I'm sure staff can confirm the time they were there one way or they other (memory, card receipts)
JMO
Jackson is in Jackson Hole technically though. And typically Jackson Hole is what tourists call the town of Jackson even though JH includes the valley in general. It really doesn't make sense that this is what spooked him. He would be in Jackson Hole before the town of Jackson on the route out of the park so... He likely wanted to go the other direction at the fork as there is a split even though both roads can get you back to JH. One way takes you right by Spread Creek Camp, the way he eventually went with the second ride he hitched.He did offer $200 to the couple that picked him hitchhiking. When they picked him, iirc, he asked where they were going and they said Jackson. I think he took that mean Jackson Hole and once he realized they were going Jackson he wanted OUT. I don't think he wanted to go anywhere near Jackson out of fear of being recognized from the Merry Piglets incident.
My speculation is that maybe he thought he could go to Jackson Hole and possibly catch a bus or another ride to where he could.
Once they let him out I think he realized his options were limited and he then returned to the van and drove home to Florida.
Too late…Wouldn't want to put himself "off balance" would he.
I believe he killed her the night of the Merry Piglets incident. It is my belief that he was enraged when left there because Gabby apologized to the staff for HIS behavior.
I think they returned to their campsite and it escalated until he strangled her. I would not be surprised that when the full autopsy is released to find out that she had defensive wounds. Also would not be surprised to find out that his DNA was found under her fingernails.
I think after he killed her he took off on foot, trying to reach some sort of civilization. My belief is that once the couple that picked him hitchhiking (the ones he offered $200 to) clarified they were going to Jackson, not Jackson Hole as he presumed, is when he demanded to be let out of the vehicle. I don't think he wanted to back to Jackson out of fear being recognized by anyone who may have witnessed his behavior at the Merry Piglets.
He then probably realized his best chance of getting away was to return to the van and drive home to Florida. I surmise that he disposed of both his and Gabby's phones somewhere between Wyoming and Florida.
I must be missing something. It could have been any one of any almost infinite number of things.Speculation: See, I didn’t read her comment like that in my mind. I was thinking more like: Gabby wanted to order something off the Menu and they said they were out or something like that. Then Brian started yelling at the waitress, cause that little something set him off. Gabby is so embarrassed (maybe he’s done this type of thing before) and tries to get him to stop. She can’t take another public humiliation…imo
Welcome, and great first post. Well said!I have been holding of on participating in this thread. I am from Ireland and have been following this case since Gabby was reported missing, it made the news here in Ireland when it was confirmed BL returned to FL with her van and without her.
I am just utterly heartbroken for Gabby's family. I have seen the body cam footage, both of them, and once I seen that and heard that BL and family would not cooperate with LE, I knew in my heart she was gone.
I don't even know what to say or how to add to this thread other than to say that Gabby HAS touched so many lives all across the world. And as her Dad said on Dr. Phil, her death will not be in vain.
I'm not sure in the USA, but in Ireland it has opened must needed discussions in MSM about DV, and especially in younger people, and how to spot signs etc.
I am sorry this is one of my first posts here on WS, even though I have been a LONG time sleuth, so MODS I am sorry if I have broken any rules, and please feel free to remove/delete.
Dr Blue mentioned a forensic anthropologist was involved in the case. That would be the likely person who established TOD.I was under the impression he wrote the overall report. If it was someone else who said TOD was 3-4 weeks before, I don't know who that is.
It seems the entire world is sick of domestic violence. There have been some horrific instances of it in the last few years and women and men are saying, enough is enough.I have been holding of on participating in this thread. I am from Ireland and have been following this case since Gabby was reported missing, it made the news here in Ireland when it was confirmed BL returned to FL with her van and without her.
I am just utterly heartbroken for Gabby's family. I have seen the body cam footage, both of them, and once I seen that and heard that BL and family would not cooperate with LE, I knew in my heart she was gone.
I don't even know what to say or how to add to this thread other than to say that Gabby HAS touched so many lives all across the world. And as her Dad said on Dr. Phil, her death will not be in vain.
I'm not sure in the USA, but in Ireland it has opened must needed discussions in MSM about DV, and especially in younger people, and how to spot signs etc.
I am sorry this is one of my first posts here on WS, even though I have been a LONG time sleuth, so MODS I am sorry if I have broken any rules, and please feel free to remove/delete.
Ah didn't realise she had a following on instagram...I see the restaurant situation being discussed & I wanted to add this interview with the witness that posted about it on Instagram stories. I thought it was a pretty good interview. Idk if it’s been posted before, but I thought I’d just share bc folks were discussing that.
Yes & a forensic entomologist was also involved, & based on insect activity & lifecycles they can determine a window to the TOD within a matter of days.Dr Blue mentioned a forensic anthropologist was involved in the case. That would be the likely person who established TOD.
"When human remains or a suspected burial are found, forensic anthropologists are called upon to gather information from the bones and their recovery context to determine who died, how they died, and how long ago they died"
Forensic Anthropology