Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #58

[FindingJoLee]

You're welcome!
Indeed, I'm not sure I've ever seen someone reported missing by their lawyer instead of a loved one before. It adds another layer of strangeness to this case.

Do you have to attest to anything when you report a missing person? Can I just call up your local PD and say "Hey, ThoughtFox is missing, or so I've heard..."?

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I did n

Different airlines have different policies regarding the quantity of ammunition allowed, but every time I've flown with a firearm (ranging from handguns to shotguns to rifles) I have taken my own ammunition with me.

Edit: Looks like CharlestonGal and I are on the same page wrt this topic.

Maybe it is the airline. I do know that they have never been allowed to travel with ammo, they always purchase it when they get there and even the small amounts that are left over at the end of the shoot they give that away to locals or people not flying.

 

[acutename]

^— This! … but what if he smacked her around, bruised her up and left her alive… THAT would be very hard to explain to police. The reasonable suspicion of murder would be HUGE! He literally would have implicated himself for murder and would basically have to prove that he DIDN’T kill her. Of course all of the evidence of following events makes him look guilty as hell too. MOO!

A reminder of what his lawyer stated:

"Many people are wondering why Mr. Laundrie would not make a statement or speak with law enforcement in the face of Ms. Petito's absence," the attorney representing the Laundrie family, Steven P. Bertolino, said in a statement last week. "In my experience, intimate partners are often the first person law enforcement focuses their attention on in cases like this, and the warning that 'any statement will be used against you' is true, regardless of whether my client had anything to do with Ms. Petito's disappearance. As such, on the advice of counsel, Mr. Laundrie is not speaking on this matter."

Gabby Petito case: FBI agents search Brian Laundrie's Florida home, seize his Mustang

(published 9/20/21 and says "last week," so the advice not to speak was given as early as 9/13?)

 

[Allabouttrial]

....yah...and its not like somebody he was last seen with is lying in the morgue. C'mon. MOOing here.

I don't believe Gabby had been found at the time he went to the Carlton Reserve though?

 

[TheGardener]

She had not been found at that stage tho' and they had no evidence of a crime.

...she was missing. Good enough for me, if it was my daughter.

 

[acutename]

SBM.
I’m just wondering why this would be if she were left in the open for nearly 3 weeks? You’d think at night wildlife would have discovered a body in the open.

not convinced IMO, that wildlife "reliably" eat anything in particular. there are a lot of deer carcasses here from roadkill- sometimes they are eaten by vultures, rapidly, other times not.

 

[TheGardener]

A reminder of what his lawyer stated:

"Many people are wondering why Mr. Laundrie would not make a statement or speak with law enforcement in the face of Ms. Petito's absence," the attorney representing the Laundrie family, Steven P. Bertolino, said in a statement last week. "In my experience, intimate partners are often the first person law enforcement focuses their attention on in cases like this, and the warning that 'any statement will be used against you' is true, regardless of whether my client had anything to do with Ms. Petito's disappearance. As such, on the advice of counsel, Mr. Laundrie is not speaking on this matter."

Gabby Petito case: FBI agents search Brian Laundrie's Florida home, seize his Mustang

(published 9/20/21 and says "last week," so the advice not to speak was given as early as 9/13?)

Uh huh...so, why go missing? Just hang out for a while and wait for you fiance to be found. Everything's good. MOO

 

[Skigirl]

After hearing the Dr. Phil interview with GP's parents, this is my updated theory, for what it's worth.

* GP and BL reunite after their night apart in Moab and had a honeymoon period for a few days (8/13-15 or 8/16).

* As tensions rise again, BL and GP, with the support of his parents, decide that the best thing would be a little time apart and for GP to decompress in the safety of a hotel in SLC, leading to the plans for BL to go back to LI for his 8/17-8/23 trip. As long as he was going to be home, everyone decided that it would be a good idea to empty out the storage unit, but that was not part of the plan when they left FL and was not the whole reason for the trip.

* GP and BL come back together, both refreshed and better rested, with Gabby less stressed because she'd had time to work on the website, and BL less tense. They resume their trip and head toward Grand Teton.

* FACT: GP and BL are seen checking out of the hotel in SLC on 8/24

* FACT: GP speaks with her mom on 8/25 from Grand Teton, and that is also the date of the last post to her instagram account.

* GP and BL find a spot at Spread Creek, parking by the side of the road and setting up their tent on the other side of the creek, 1000 or so feet from where they have parked, facing the mountains. As they have at other campsites, their plan is to use the van for food prep and to sleep in the tent at night. Incidentally, there are a few trees around for a hammock.

* GP and BL tour or hike in Grand Teton on 8/26.

* GP and BL head to Jackson on 8/27 to take in the sights, get lunch, and buy some provisions. GP may also be looking for a place to get on wifi. Tensions begin to rise again. BL is seen having an altercation with staff at Merry Piglets. They leave before finishing everything they planned to accomplish in Jackson.

* The relationship between GP and BL is rapidly devolving. GP desperately wants to keep things together so that they can continue on with their trip, so she appeases him as much as possible. They make up on the evening of 8/27, and camp in their tent, enjoying the view of the mountains.

* Having had their errands cut short by the scene he has created in the restaurant on the previous day (given their near brush with the law a couple weeks earlier after a public scene, they may have hurried out of town immediately to avoid any contact with police), they head back to Jackson a second time on to finish buying supplies on 8/28. On the afternoon of the 28th, they explore the park. Alternately, they hike and/or explore the park for the whole day.

* Gabby was wearing a sweatshirt when she died, so it may have happened on the evening. In this scenario, that would be the evening of 8/28. They build a campfire near their tent. With tensions rising and tempers flaring, what has started out as an OK evening takes a turn for the worse, resulting in an argument that gets physical. In a fit of anger, he fractures her skull with a rock. A fractured skull would account for the quick determination by the medical examiner. BL leaves her where she is and flees the site. He takes refuge in the van and spends the night in a panic, making rushed plans that he intends to implement the next day.

* Day of 8/29, BL starts to implement a plan to be seen by multiple witnesses away from the van. In the morning, he heads off on foot with a plan to be seen inside the boundaries of the park and near the Snake River. He is planning to say that she stayed behind to work and he went camping, "finding her missing" when he gets back after "a few days away."

* Potential walking route on 8/29 can be seen here: https://www.alltrails.com/explore/map/map-sep-24-06-21-pm-67ba02d
The route picks up at Spread Creek and follows an old wagon road for most of the walk. There is only a short section that is on Route 89, so one could walk it mostly unobserved. It takes him near the Snake River and the walk ends at Colter Bay village. The walk is almost 18 miles, with an elevation gain of 338 feet, and would probably take about 6-7 hours.

* BL arrives in Coulter Bay Village on 8/29 by 4:30-5:30 PM, takes a shower and picks up some supplies at the General Store. He then hitches a ride with Miranda Baker and her boyfriend, getting out at Jackson Dam, making sure to tell them that he's been camping along the Snake River without GP. He is subsequently picked up by a second driver who takes him to the head of Spread Creek Road. He walks to his van and arrives at the van by 9 PM.

* Night of 8/29, BL realizes that he may have been seen with Gabby on 8/27 and/or 8/28 (especially given the scene in the restaurant), so he abandons the plan to use camping as an alibi and decides not to report her missing. He packs things up as quickly as possible, removes as much evidence as he can from the site, and hits the road. He drives home, catching naps when his adrenaline starts to wear off. He stocks up on cash and a burner phone or two using Gabby’s card along the way. He is on the road for much of 8/30 and 8/31, arriving by 10:30 AM on 9/1.


This is a theory. MOO.

 

[Allabouttrial]

...she was missing. Good enough for me, if it was my daughter.

I believe we were discussing LE not following Brian through the Carlton Reserve, not Gabby's parents.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Do you have to attest to anything when you report a missing person? Can I just call up your local PD and say "Hey, ThoughtFox is missing, or so I've heard..."?

Well, yeah. When you report someone missing you have to give details and the Police make a report. It can't just be hear-say. The Laundries lived with their son, so they should "know" whether he is missing or not. And according to them he was hiking in a public park and didn't come home, so he could be in danger. Of course they keep changing the details about the last time they saw him, which is a problem.

 

[Snow_In _June]

I think Brian Laundrie is as guilty as hell of something.

I don’t know like the rest of us whether it is the physical murder of Gabby. His actions preceding and post finding of Gabby all spell as Guilty as hell.

I am just pondering if he is a coward and frightened that no one will believe him if he told his truth.

There are some things that unsettle and unnerve me.

I personally think they had a dream and that was quite simply to travel and have adventures.

I think Brian is possibly a very private person whilst Gabby was an extrovert person with lots of dreams and ambitions she wanted to share.

They were obviously at odds with each other during their trip. One wanted a pristine backdrop whilst the other didn’t care about clean feet or messy van. This alone in my personal thoughts is a recipe for a falling out.

I do think Brian and Gabby fell out and I do think they were at odds with each other. I do think he could have killed her by heat of the moment. Then again Who Knows!

As of today Brian is not a named suspect in the Homicide of Gabby he does however hold a warrant out for his arrest for using Debit/credit cards that don't belong to him.

I personally think there is more to the sad death of Gabby than meets the eye and I think the Laundries should start speaking.

All in My own Humble opinion and speculation based on fact

 

[kittythehare]

...she was missing. Good enough for me, if it was my daughter.

I agree fully with you in spirit but it's not enough for a warrant.
Of course they could have done a lot more without requiring evidence for a warrant.

 

[CarolynAB2]

Giggles in the morning. Love it. Can you imagine him a fugitive on the run in 27 years? Here’s one who did:

…
He can't remember when they got to Georgia, only that the weather was turning cold and he had big blisters on his feet. The car ran out of gas somewhere in North Carolina, so they'd sold it, bought camping gear and set out on foot, taking the Appalachian Trail for a while, then sticking to the highway, where people occasionally offered rides.

In Murray County, Ga., they got permission to camp at the Saddle Club, a place that hosted equestrian events.

They became Eric and Diane Coleman. He missed his parents. She missed her mother. Each had a sister. They dared not contact them for fear of being caught. At Thanksgivings, Christmases and birthdays, the mood fell. They wondered if their families were well - or even alive.
……………………………………………………………………………………
Every day for 27 years, he got up and told himself he could get through one more. Richard Boucher knew the sham could be over at any time.

Police once stopped him as he walked along the highway with the bookbag he always carried. They figured he was a transient. He explained he lived just up the road. That was always the end of it.

He never slept well. Noises made his heart pound.

When the police came for him at the trailer on Hooker Road, appearing in the woods with guns drawn, he thought they were looking for someone else. Then they used his real name. That one he hadn't heard in so long.

He wondered, in his soft, polite manner of speaking, how much longer he could have done it?
……………………………………………………………………………………
Richard Boucher called his dad from jail.

His mother, he learned, died five years ago. He regrets that she never knew what had become of her son; that so many people expected the worst for so many years.

He still doesn't sleep well.

"There are too many things," he said. "I couldn't list them all. I'll never get that back."
Fugitive says life on run was full of loneliness, loss and lies

That was an interesting read. RB had a long run as a fugitive. I was wondering how they found him and another article that says, "In early May, the Department of Corrections received a tip about the Colemans and their secret." I wonder if EB, the man RB escaped from prison with, ratted him out. The article says that RB visited EB in jail, brought him a carton of cigarettes, and reminded him of their vow never to snitch if either one of them got caught. EB had been arrested only a year after the escape, when he was pulled over for DUI.
Witnesses detail fugitive's escape from Chesapeake prison

 

[TheGardener]

The missing phones has always confused me. I understand ditching Gabby's phone. But why is Brian's phone missing?

The only thing I can think of is that he originally planned to run directly after the murder and disposed of his phone so nobody could track him. Something made him change his mind and he went home instead. What changed?

A call to mom and dad. MOO

 

[TheGardener]

I agree fully with you in spirit but it's not enough for a warrant.
Of course they could have done a lot more without requiring evidence for a warrant.

Oh, I'm not saying it was grounds for a warrant. I'm questioning why losing a human being isn't enough motivation to at least keep a tail on him. MOO

 

[Bluebythec]

My job has been annoyingly keeping me from reading/posting lately but those are the days when I just go over in my mind what we know so far. Something that occured to me yesterday was the fact that we don't know anything about the relationships between BL's family and GP's family prior to this whole thing. I did notice that GP's family didn't seem too fond of BL based on what *wasn't* said. At no time did they express that they couldn't believe BL would have done anything to GP because he was so loving and kind. They didn't say how much he loved her and wouldn't ever hurt her. These kids had a relationship for many years and so the parents were at least on the periphery of that for a long time and would have at least marginal insight into the dynamics. Maybe the parents honestly didn't like each other's kids and as an extension of that didn't like each other? Maybe the failure to answer the calls was just a natural extension of what their relationship had been all along? Emotionally they seem at opposite ends of the spectrum with the L's being reserved (cold?) and the S's & P's seeming more demonstrative and emotional. Maybe, BL's family having lived with GP, found her to be emotional and looked at her responses to life as "dramatic." It would certainly set the stage for BL showing up with some bs story to his family about what happened and telling them how done he was with her and that he wanted nothing to do with her or her family. "Don't even answer the phone if they call!" I'm just trying to figure out why his family would behave in a way that seems so foreign to most of us.

 

[kittythehare]

Oh, I'm not saying it was grounds for a warrant. I'm questioning why losing a human being isn't enough motivation to at least keep a tail on him. MOO

Could be as simple as resources. Then there was jurisdiction...

 

[TheGardener]

I don't believe Gabby had been found at the time he went to the Carlton Reserve though?

She was missing. He should have been under close surveillance.

 

[MollyDDD]

Yes, but if it keeps him out of prison for life... They've got to be thinking about that possibility. SMH.

IMO, living in hiding, with the constant fear of being found, paranoid of everything and everyone and having to look in the mirror everyday knowing what you did, would be a Hellish prison.

 

[TheGardener]

Could be as simple as resources. Then there was jurisdiction...

Look like they had plenty of resources for a threat of suicide, but none for putting a tail on a POI who managed to lose a human being on a two-party trek. MOO