Zanny, Zanax, Xanax, Zanny the nanny *merged threads*

[kathyn2]

This xanax theory has been talked about here for eons. However I don't think KC ever gave Caylee xanax. It only comes in pill form and tastes ghastly. I think KC only choloroformed Caylee and that is how she died. Zanny is just a made up name that KC got from a book of the same name. A storybook about zanny the nanny.

 

[Lisa-Rachelle]

I agree with you, essies.

I also believe that Zanny the Nanny came from the Zenaida G. that looked at the vacant apartment for rent at Sawgrass. How Casey came across that info I don't rightly know, but that's too coincidental to dismiss.
It would be one thing to name the babysitter Sarah Smith (as there are probably 6 trillion of them) but Zenaida Fernandez-Gonsalez is a pretty UNUSUAL name. It had to get into her head from someplace.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

This xanax theory has been talked about here for eons. However I don't think KC ever gave Caylee xanax. It only comes in pill form and tastes ghastly. I think KC only choloroformed Caylee and that is how she died. Zanny is just a made up name that KC got from a book of the same name. A storybook about zanny the nanny.

Xanax comes in liquid form and does not taste bad at all. With CA being an RN it would be easy to come by. Pharmaceutical salespersons leave tons of samples in medical offices. KC being a thief would have no problem heisting them from the med pantry. CA seems to have a prescription drug issue herself, so KC may have been getting it from the medicine cabinet at home. That is the number one place young people get prescription drugs.

 

[cocowiley]

Xanax comes in liquid form and does not taste bad at all. With CA being an RN it would be easy to come by. Pharmaceutical salespersons leave tons of samples in medical offices. KC being a thief would have no problem heisting them from the med pantry. CA seems to have a prescription drug issue herself, so KC may have been getting it from the medicine cabinet at home. That is the number one place young people get prescription drugs.

just wondering what makes you think cindy has prescription drug issues?

 

[norr]

Zeniada Fernandez-G is just another name Casey Anthony uses for herself. She first used it in 2006.

Zeniada Fernandez-G
Zenita Fernandez-G

 

[minazoe]

no, I still cannot right the Sawgrass Zeniada connection. Like so many things, it just has no logical explanation. How or why was Casey stalking or googling this name or this person?

I am going to go self medicate now...

 

[TURBOTHINK]

just wondering what makes you think cindy has prescription drug issues?

It is pretty easily identified by watching her in videos. When you work with people with drug issues, you look for a particular set of patterns. I also believe many times that is why she lied, the words just came out before she thought it through with the drug use.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Xanax is a Benzo (Benzodiazepine).. as is Klonopin, Valium, Ativan..

I don't wanna take up too much space or go too off topic here but I think I get what you mean.. You weren't an "addict" in the traditional sense (gotta have it every day type thing) you took 'em went ya went out partying.. kinda like people take X or acid? (aaahhh, Acid- now there's a goood drug! *soft sigh*)

I used to get blackouts with Ambien. That's some bad stuff- it didn't make me tired, so I'd pop it with a few beers after my son and hubby went to bed and do the strangest stuff.. I'd clean the house, cook food, mow the friggin' lawn (LOL- I'm an idiot!) and G0d only know what I got into on-line. In the morning I'd have no memory of doing any of it.. often thanking my husband for doing whatever it was.

LOL- I won't even go into the kind of teenager I was!

Anyway, enough hijacking of this thread, sorry ya'll!

I have a girlfriend they put on Ambien after her heart surgery and she would lose whole days in her life. It was wild. We went on vacation and one day she could not remember a thing we did the day before. She got off of it fast and has never had any problems since.

 

[yolorado]

Interesting diversion into Ambien. My friend took Ambien and it made her crazy. I'm not kidding. Before she started and after she stopped, she was fine. While she was taking the Ambien she went nutz. I don't think I'll take the stuff myself after seeing what it did to her.

 

[MUGENDAI]

maybe "zanny=xanax" was the reason why cindy got so physically angry. maybe she found out what kc was doing to caylee. that would sure make me choke someone. sorry if someone said this.

 

[cocoamom]

I have a girlfriend they put on Ambien after her heart surgery and she would lose whole days in her life. It was wild. We went on vacation and one day she could not remember a thing we did the day before. She got off of it fast and has never had any problems since.

Ambien is the drug that countless numbers of people have been on that were "sleep driving" in their pajamas no less! I was on it once, I think, can't remember, wet the bed, got off it!! :crazy:

 

[impatientredhead]

It is pretty easily identified by watching her in videos. When you work with people with drug issues, you look for a particular set of patterns. I also believe many times that is why she lied, the words just came out before she thought it through with the drug use.

I very much agree. Of course cannot comment of her prior use but she has been high as a kite in some of the interviews and jailhouse visits. I mentioned when they first released the jailhouse video that Cindy looked like someone shot her with one of those darts they tranquilize bears with. If it is something you have been around it is unmistakable. I don't blame her for sedating herself during this, but she is very high functioning in a medicated state which makes me believe that it is a long time habit.

 

[impatientredhead]

I have a girlfriend they put on Ambien after her heart surgery and she would lose whole days in her life. It was wild. We went on vacation and one day she could not remember a thing we did the day before. She got off of it fast and has never had any problems since.

Ambien is a horrible drug. I too am one of those that it does not knock out, but leaves in some disoriented emotional state that I totally don't remember, and I did take the car and leave. Scary stuff, couldn't force me to take it again.

 

[impatientredhead]

no, I still cannot right the Sawgrass Zeniada connection. Like so many things, it just has no logical explanation. How or why was Casey stalking or googling this name or this person?

I am going to go self medicate now...

I can't let go of the Sawgrass/ZFG visiting/Annie use to live there connection either. I was so surprised to find out she had been using the zanny the nanny name prior to July 16th.

I am *not* saying anything about Annie being involved or ever doing anything to Caylee. That said between the text about Annie and xanax, and the I left her with zanny the nanny at sawgrass... I am really curious about Annie's statement to the police. Thrilled that she hasn't spoken to anyone, but dying of curiosity. Was this a joke between them when they were friends? We are going to go see zanny the nanny?" I wouldn't joke about such a thing now but I might have when I was 20.

That might explain how this particular lie rolled off her tongue so easily that night to LE though. Still don't get the ZFG visit though.

 

[Firefly]

I don't know if this has been mentioned, I didn't see it... I apologize if it has. What do y'all think about this... maybe KC is insisting Caylee is with Zanny but in truth means Zanny is the code word for Xanax and the very spot where she dumped Caylee is the spot where her and her friends used to hang out and maybe took Xanax. Make sense? What are your thoughts on this?

I have always felt that Xanax, the Drug, had been used as a sedative before successfully by Casey. I think she switched to Chloroform to try to make it easier for herself thinking it would be better and failed miserably on first try. I feel Zanny is Xanax personified. Meaning Casey can easily BLAME "Zanny" for the taking of Caylee's life because Zanny is made out to be a "real" person and be accused to be the guilty party but she is not real and can NEVER be found to negate her lies. Zanny did kill her and she can be angry at this Nanny instead of her stupid self. A "truthful" lie she can believe in wholeheartedly. She may have had thoughts of using Zanny as a Nanny....tried a couple of times with success but then switched to Chloroform as a new drug of choice and failed miserably.

All the while Casey was taking care of this bad business she was probably blaming Caylee for dying on her.....for causing all this trouble for her.....so she used duct tape in her anger and threw away this baby as discarded trash. Caylee was an innocent, who redeemed the adult players in this case from whatever darkness they were in. The Anthonys knew of her value and cleansing light she beamed on them and heaped unconditional attention on her in return. Casey wasn't able to accept this light YET and fought it whenever it was shown to her.....by EVERYONE....Jesse G. was the latest to say she didn't like this "light" on that AM show yesterday because Casey wanted to be the important one.....the center of everyone's universe....EGOCENTRIC, if you will. It must have been hard for Casey to compete with because it was Caylee that was in this natural state of a child's psycho-social and cognitive development (Jean Piaget's theory) and not her. What was the trauma at that age for Casey to want to stay in this stage of development?

Being stuck at this stage of development for Casey lead her to the placement of this Angel in the swamp forest by the school. If this was a "safe" place for Casey to hide out from her parents when she was a child, then I wonder how much of the "action" can she see from this hiding place. Can you see the school from this place? Could this have been a place of power for Casey? Could she see all the action going on with no one knowing she was there? Could she see her parents drive by looking for her or calling for her AND not answering? A magical place where you bury dead things to hope that they spring to life.

I was sad to hear Caylee was placed by the school she would have undoubtedly have gone to Kindergarten. It was a familiar....powerful place, if you will...Casey knew about. Think about it?...... Have you ever driven by a school at recess time with your windows rolled down? Have you ever driven by YOUR OLD elementary school and did that? It must have made her wax nostalgic from time to time when she drove by the school. The sound of the kids laughing, screaming, bouncing balls, is an ALIVE sound. A carefree sound of no worries about money, bills, mouths to feed or NOT having a real responsibility for your life other than to have fun. I feel Casey placed her there unconsciously knowing that in the future that when she drove by there, in her freedom, she would know that Caylee was close by and part of that "alive" energy on that playground. She would have become her parents driving by wondering where her daughter was but knowing she was "safe" where she put her to rest.

With all the darkness in her life, it was sad to know now that she has no chance to have grow up and taken responsibility for this "light" and learn as an adult that the attention never comes from ourselves but from our children now. We all know that these innocent "lights" are precious but to Casey she didn't realize it until it was out. There will be no chance to redeem herself by whatever she does now. That is why her lies and fake tears and classic Anthony spin stories have no meaning on us. Without Caylee now they are all truly lost, without her they are living in darkness.

 

[Chilly Willy]

If Casey researched Chloroform, she would have known that the effects only last for minutes. I can't see her choosing that as a drug to use to sedate Caylee for long periods of time.

I don't think Casey sedated Caylee at all. She had babysitters whenever she needed one, why would she need to drug her?

 

[norr]

If Casey researched Chloroform, she would have known that the effects only last for minutes. I can't see her choosing that as a drug to use to sedate Caylee for long periods of time.

I don't think Casey sedated Caylee at all. She had babysitters whenever she needed one, why would she need to drug her?

Chilly,

I don't think she used chloroform on Caylee either. Too difficult without anyone knowing it and if she did ---- someone knows it. Short acting.

I do suspect she used it in the trunk hoping to get rid of the smell .. or someone did. The body in decay produces "some". Dunno how much tho.

 

[sweetwater]

Ok, here's my 2 cents.

I agree Cindy has seemed to be medicated during most appearances and way over-medicated on many occasions. Does that hammer-in-hand episode seem like a normal stress reaction to anyone? Geez.
I would bet Xanax or something of that family. Maybe Atavan, who knows? Lee, too, seemed unusually cotton-mouthed and had a flat, spacey affect after the first few interviews, early on in this drama, in my opinion.

I think Casey just might be Zanny. She was, after all, the nanny, wasn't she? Wasn't Cindy the Mommy, Casey the care-taker, nanny? Casey sure would be a likely candidate, in my mind's eye, for taking Xanax, atavan,... whatever it is that would be readily available in the medicine cabinet. People in general don't remember her drinking or doing drugs until fairly recently, so she just might have been doing the Xanax thing since she broke-up with Jesse and began caring for Caylee. How else could she maintain that vacant, on-cue smile, even while puking her guts out? Now that I think about it, it wouldn't take too much alcohol to get sick if taking those kinds of drugs. Hmm.
Casey is a psychopathic predator in my mind; I don't know if she started drugging Caylee, unless it was random, ambivalent experiments in killing her starting sometime late spring. Wasn't she fantasizing about a windfall, going to PR, coming into $15,000, buying her folks house,... about that time? All she needed for that miserable scam to work would be to kill Caylee, right? As far as I can tell, her rotten thought process was kill Caylee, party, shop, rip off Amy for awhile until the bucks started rolling in, party, shop, become a celebrity missing tot-mom, shop,sell her story/create a blog, go on TV, get donations, insurance settlement, licensing /interview fees coming in, shop... this was Casey's gamble in the game of overnight sensations. Caylee's life was all she had to bet. I think Casey's still betting she will come out ahead in the long run.
Thank goodness she never had to clean up a mess in her whole life. Caylee may never have been found.

About the chloroform, I sure hope some forensic specialist can clue us in on that, and that we get some solid leads from the Toxicology studies. I'm inclined to believe that she did poison that poor little tiny girl, if only because I abhor having to think of her torturing her even more brutally.

I hate her. It's hard to get inside the head of a monster, isn't it?

 

[BAHD]

no, I still cannot right the Sawgrass Zeniada connection. Like so many things, it just has no logical explanation. How or why was Casey stalking or googling this name or this person?

I am going to go self medicate now...

Ok, I am probably going to get alot of flack for suggesting this but here goes. It seems really suspicious that apartment 210 had been vacant for so long. I was just thinking that if she was setup by a group of people, some of which who might have had connections with Saw Grass. What if they had used that particular apartment for some other purpose like a studio or something like that. Maybe she was tricked into thinking that Zenaida had an apartment there. I don't know maybe this sounds too far fetched. But it would make sense. I am also suspicious about the fact that this other Zenaida just so happened to look at the apartment when she did. I can also see why some people wouldn't come forward because they are too afraid to. Look at how many people who are killed in Orlando. Pretty Scary! Just look at how many of KC's close friends who have died.

 

[norr]

Ok, I am probably going to get alot of flack for suggesting this but here goes. It seems really suspicious that apartment 210 had been vacant for so long. I was just thinking that if she was setup by a group of people, some of which who might have had connections with Saw Grass. What if they had used that particular apartment for some other purpose like a studio or something like that. Maybe she was tricked into thinking that Zenaida had an apartment there. I don't know maybe this sounds too far fetched. But it would make sense. I am also suspicious about the fact that this other Zenaida just so happened to look at the apartment when she did. I can also see why some people wouldn't come forward because they are too afraid to. Look at how many people who are killed in Orlando. Pretty Scary! Just look at how many of KC's close friends who have died.

How many? Look where?